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Bavadin is Trell but is no longer Autonomy and is Dalinar's wife who's Nightwatcher.Sorry couldn't help myself :D.

Let's go full crazy here. Hold on to your tinfoil hats!

Autonomy's Vessel is now female because it changed hands. This is gonna be consistent with the theory that trellium isn't actually Trell's godmetal. We know trellium is from a Shard we know. We know the metal itself has additional effect of hiding (granting independence or autonomy, I'd say).

From Khriss essays we know Autonomy is interfering with other worlds and isolating Taldain. We also know Brandon refered to Bavadin as "he" before.

See, I think we may have two Shards cooperating here. First Bavadin as Autonomy Invested in Scadrial creating trellium, made a deal with some female so that she will shut off Taldain when he's gone and Descended. He has gone to Sel and picked up Dominion. Maybe before his Descension he set something up in that regard so he can somehow pick up Splintered Shard. Then he went to Scadrial and started messing around with Harmony and he had already avalaible godmetal capable of hiding things from Harmony and additionaly it couldn't be traced back to him as Dominion as it's Autonomy's godmetal.

This would explain Set's mathematical nature and order as something of Dominion and the nature of trellium spike.

Edited by Ookla the Sunrise Watcher
clarification, added this: "so he can somehow pick up Splintered Shard"
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4 minutes ago, natc said:

As far as we know (which admitted may not be accurate to Mistborn Era 2 timeframe as Elantris is really far back) should Dominion not still be splintered into pieces?

Being the Vessel of a Shard, would it be too unreasonable that Bavadin might know how to restore a Shard, or at least have a feasible idea to try?

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Splinters aren't the easiest thing to clean up, especially with Sel where they've apparently gone sapient. Two differently aligned groups no less.

On that note, investiture masses resists each other's influence unless there is just so much of it in one place (e.g. Preservation and Ruin) that you can forcefully fuse them with brute force. And even then the original aspects that made up the new whole seem to persist; Harmony is driven to both destroy and preserve, his name is more philosophical than anything. It might not actually be possible to get Dominion back in its original state.

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One of the things Brandon's highlighted in discussions about Ascension is just how incredibly rare its occurrence is. For me, it stretches the bounds of plausibility to have one person Ascend to become a Shard, give up that Shard willingly, repair a different Shard, and then Ascend again. It seems needlessly complicated to me. I think we might be creating complex explanations to cover a simple error. Brandon's misspoken before, Autonomy is female, and I think she always has been.

I also don't see why the Set's mathematical nature need have anything at all to do with Dominion. There are no parallels to this in Elantris.

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9 hours ago, Chull #445 said:

If Brandon RAFOed, that is evidence for Bavadin being dead. I still have a feeling that he/she is alive though. 

Not necessarily.  Sometimes he RAFO's something unimportant simply to keep us guessing, or in that case it could have been to avoid pointing us toward (or away from) Bavadin/Autonomy as Trell, and encourage more debate.

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On 11/24/2016 at 10:11 PM, Windrunner said:

I also don't see why the Set's mathematical nature need have anything at all to do with Dominion. There are no parallels to this in Elantris.

I agree this is probably not the most likely conclusion, but I did want to point out that the Fjorden religion is very stratified and highly regulated, and this is probably the parallel with Dominion that was intended. 

I do agree that this is probably a little too complicated to be plausible, but I could be persuaded that there's a possibility there. However, if there was an easy way to repair a Shard, I think that the Ire would probably have tried to repair Devotion instead of sneaking by a very active and very destructive Ruin in order to pick up Preservation. They seem to know quite a bit about the Shards, after all. Maybe there's a Shard whose Intent is something about healing or restoring things, and they could put Splintered ones back together.

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I was trying to fi d the Trell = Dominion thread but no luck. With Sel's essay, and the revelational belief the planet is gaining self awareness, and the whole Fjordish belief in Jaddeth arising from the earth, I motion that Trell isn't just Dom but is the Dor itself incarnate into Jaddeth

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In case some of you haven't seen it, this thread was just posted containing new WoB by Brandon involving Bavadin's gender. In my opinion, this statement, combined with the comment Khriss makes in the Taldain Essay, pretty much confirms that Trell = Autonomy, and that the distinct shift in the ancient belief and the new one was just Bavadin taking over the persona and altering it to fit her schemes.

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