The Art of Game Creation

[Wyrmhero he/him]

on the topic of the MtG game, is it just everyone else vs. the dimir or is there supposed to be some confilct between guilds?

 

Solely everyone vs. Dimir, unless there are a lot of players. There aren't meant to be more than one or two per Guild in this version at the moment. The conflict is meant to mimic the original Ravnica plotline (but only the first part. No other Guilds are Eliminators here). Originally, I was just going to have the other nine Guilds, and not even mention the Dimir, and have them as a 'secret' faction, but I felt that it might be cruel for the people who don't know how Ravnica originally worked and couldn't guess at their existence. So instead, the info is just hidden.

Edited January 30, 2015 by Wyrmhero

[Lord Pifferdoo he/him]

Would people be interested in a Sixth of the Dusk-based game? I'll help design it, but I'm not sure I'd have the time to GM it.

[Peng the Just he/him]

Alcatraz style elimination:

 

NOTES: This would need to be run by somebody with moderation rights. I tried to keep it simple as I feel the rules for recent games have started becoming unnecessarily complex. 

 

Librarians: The 'eliminators' in this game. They kill someone each night cycle. As the eliminators control the information, they can request at any time that any post in thread be hidden, which the GM will take care of next time he/she was online. If there is a vote in that post, it still counts.

 

Talents:

Bad dancing: your dancing is so bad, it's lethal. Once per night cycle, you can pick someone to kill.

 

Arriving late: If you would die, you get one cycle to get your affairs in order before you die. This is announced to everyone.

 

Speaking nonsense: If you listen closely to your nonsense, there are clues in it. Once per cycle, you can chose someone and learn their role.

 

Breaking things: Every day cycle, you can choose to prevent the lynch by breaking the tool the villagers are using to kill the person voted for. The rope will break, the electric chair will malfunction etc. This is a "villager only" role. This ability can only be used twice.

 

 

Not sure how well this would work, but I feel the librarians ability would take the whole "battle for information" to the next level. Maybe I should limit how many posts they can hide per cycle?

Edited February 2, 2015 by jasonpenguin

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

As the eliminators control the information, they can request at any time that any post in thread be hidden,

 

Not sure how well this would work, but I feel the librarians ability would take the whole "battle for information" to the next level. Maybe I should limit how many posts they can hide per cycle?

 

Bahaha! Yeah, if the rule went through as is in the game, if I were the Librarians, I would just censor the storm out of the thread, and hide every single post!

And I'm not sure if that'd be allowed for a game or not anyways. Because Mods are allowed to see hidden posts regardless, so Fair Plays would definitely come into play. And then that'd give the advantage on to who can get on first or the fastest to hide/post/see things.

I like the rest of the game though, and the concept of the Librarians being able to 'control information' sounds great! Maybe they can hide things from being revealed in the write-ups, like an alignment on death, or information received via GM, like the nonsense speaker, or something. There's lots of potential there, I like it!

[Araris Valerian he/him]

I have been thinking about the parshendi changing forms and how that could be incorporated into roles, and came up with a rough outline for a game here:

Parshendi Game

Roles:

Village Scholar: For some reason these Parshendi are unable to change form. However, they may scan another player each round and discover their form, but not their alignment. After discovering a form, the scholar may spend their action to give a sphere with a spren to another player. That player may use the sphere at night to switch to that role, but will not know what role they will receive until after the change has been made. The sphere is consumed when used.

Odious Scholar: This is the same as the village scholar, and shows up as one if scanned, except if a villager gains a role from the Odious Scholar then they become Influenced. The eliminators may change a single vote plus a single action target from among the influenced players each cycle. This will not be told to the Influenced player and any votes changed during this game will be shown in the final writeup but not attached to a specific. If the Odious Scholar scans an eliminator then they will not gain access to spren for that role.

Dull Form: Regular Villager. The parshmen are able to gain a role from a scholar, but by doing so they may become Influenced.

Mate Form: These parshendi are able to either change one vote during the day or block one action at night, but not both during the same cycle.

War Form: Each person that is in War form can choose a single target to either protect or attack. Any player that is being attacked by two more people than they are protected by will die at the end of the night. You can self target.

Melody Form: These Parshendi can pick a rhythm each cycle. During each day cycle, all players will submit a rhythm and they will be placed in a PM with anyone that shares that rhythm for a full cycle, at which point the rhythms can be changed and the PMs will be reset.

Voidform: These are standard eliminators, they may have any of the above roles and one of them may submit a target to be killed during each night cycle. Voidform will not show up as a role when scanned.

 

Is there anything that I should change/do you guys think that this is a workable idea?

[Lord Pifferdoo he/him]

I like it, although I don't know what having a highstorm every night will do to the ecosystem 

[Araris Valerian he/him]

Odium doesn't care about the ecosystem, so he messed things up to make life more interesting.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

How does Odium control the Highstorms though?

[Araris Valerian he/him]

He's a shard. He decided that he was fine with burning some investiture on Roshar to give his minions less time to be discovered.

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Just posting an update and letting people know that we are indeed always welcoming any requests to GM a game! Just get ahold of myself, Wilson, or Meta, and let us know the game you want to run, and what size game it would be (LG, MR, QF), and we'll add you to the Lists no problem!. We are particularly looking for GMs for the Mid-Range and Quick Fix size games, as those tend to go end more quickly!

I have seen lots of great game suggestions, and even better ideas and mechanics being proposed in this thread! I, for one, am excited to see how far we've taken this game on this sub-forum in just over the year it's been here, and am looking forward to seeing what we all come up with moving ahead!

If you've come up with a game idea, but don't want to necessarily GM it, no problem, just when you're posting your ideas, just put a disclaimer that anybody can feel free to use your game, or certain rules or mechanics they like from it! So even people who haven't felt comfortable creating their own games can potentially run a game if they are so inclined!

So, if you have any questions, or want to sign up, feel free to contact myself, Wilson, or Meta, and we'll get you ready to go!

Edited February 7, 2015 by Gamma Fiend

[Herowannabe he/him]

I have been told that the time is nearly here for me to start my Legion QF game. So far I haven't received any feedback on my rules, save for a half dozen upvotes. If anyone would like to make any suggestions for improvement, or ask for any clarifications or explanations, or whatever, now is the time to do it.

The rules can be found in this post: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/5660-the-art-of-game-creation/?p=219333

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

The whole 'Is there a secret Role or not' debate in Long game 10 got me thinking, what if there was a game where every role was secret? It would better fit the cannon, since nobody would really know what roles are involved, but the roles themselves would have to be simpler to match, like the original Game's roles, where everything was cut and dried.

 

So I'm asking, how bad of an Idea do you think this is?

[Herowannabe he/him]

Personally, I don't think it's a great idea. It's kinda like when as a child you played games with that one kid who would make up rules as you played.

 

A better idea would be something like: "Here is a list of 20 different roles and powers. 6 of them will be used in this game, but I'm not saying which 6."

 

At least then you'd have some idea of what to expect.

 

Or even something like what I have planned in my Elantris game, where there will be secrets that the Elantrian's can unlock. The players will go into the game knowing that there are going to be some unexpected things, and possibly have a rough idea of what they will be based on the events of the book, but it's more of a side-aspect to the game rather than the core ruleset.

[vineyarddawg]

Personally, I don't think it's a great idea. It's kinda like when as a child you played games with that one kid who would make up rules as you played.

 

A better idea would be something like: "Here is a list of 20 different roles and powers. 6 of them will be used in this game, but I'm not saying which 6."

 

At least then you'd have some idea of what to expect.

 

Or even something like what I have planned in my Elantris game, where there will be secrets that the Elantrian's can unlock. The players will go into the game knowing that there are going to be some unexpected things, and possibly have a rough idea of what they will be based on the events of the book, but it's more of a side-aspect to the game rather than the core ruleset.

 

Wait.  Are you saying you don't like Calvinball?? 

[twelfthrootoftwo]

Eol, Piff and I have been working on a game set on the Pantheon. There are QF and MR variants, with some roles exclusive to one or the other, and some varying. Anything without an indicator is in both variants. Which one do you guys prefer?

Spoilers for Sixth of the Dusk! (Not major ones, but more than you'll find in the free excerpt.)

 

The Northern Interests Trading Company have been expanding their foothold in the Pantheon. Experience on Patji has taught a few of their number to survive the cruel jungle, allowing them to explore the islands as freely as the trappers do. Now their gaze has landed on the island of Amaji, and a small party has been sent to scout the island and weaken the resident trappers.

 

But word has finally spread through the Eelakin people, and the trappers of Amaji desire action. When the body of one of their own is found, killed by a foreign harpoon, they come together for the first time. Now they must figure out who among them are the foreigners before Amaji falls to the traders' control.

 

Game:

A QF/MR game with combined Day and Night turns. Trappers v. Traders, with a bonus win condition for the Trapper with the most types of Aviar at the end of the game. Players get one vote and one action per cycle. Actions can include the Trader kill, Trapper special abilities, Aviar abilities (two can be used in one cycle) and giving Aviar to others.

 

Factions:

Traders - The Eliminator faction. Familiar enough with the Pantheon to pass as trappers, you are also equipped with advanced weaponry. You get one kill per cycle and can communicate in a doc.

Trappers - Native to the Eelakin Isles, you've spent most of your lives in the harsh Pantheon jungle - first on Sori, now Amaji.

 

Trapper subclasses:

Some Trappers have special skills.

 

Sori - Too young to have completed your training, you have nonetheless come to Amaji to fight the traders. You start the game knowing the identity of one non-Trader player.

Patji (active) - Not all the traders survived their first exposure to the Pantheon jungle. You took a harpoon gun from an unfortunate corpse before escaping the Father. You can make three kills over the game.

Skilled Trapper - The traps you set around your shelter are more subtle than most. You can survive one kill attempt other than the lynch.

Influential (MR, active) - You are known and respected among the Amaji trappers. You may change another player’s vote 5 times during the game.

Hidden (MR, active) - Your shelter is well hidden. Each cycle, you may choose to hide; you lose your vote and become untargetable (immune to lynch and actions). Can’t be used two cycles in a row.

 

Aviar:

Players can start with more than one Aviar. Players can have a max of 5 Aviar; up to two can be used in the same cycle. A player can give any number of their Aviar to another player, and they can also be stolen (see below).

 

Mind Shield - You and your targeted player cannot be detected by Power Sensing Aviar. When this ability is activated, you and your target gain double caution in the next cycle (your target is informed of this).

Death Sight - Your Aviar warns about potential deaths. You may target one player; forewarned of death, they can survive one kill action that cycle (but not lynches).

Power sensing - Your Aviar can sense and identify nearby Investiture. You may target one player, and learn the number of Aviar they possess and the nature of one of their Aviar (QF) or learn all the Aviar they possess (MR).

Beautiful - Your Aviar seems to draw attention. You may target one player, and their Aviar (MR) or a random Aviar of theirs (QF) is distracted and cannot act.

Mind Force (MR) - Your Aviar can stimulate emotion - imprecise, but powerful. You may target one player; they lose their vote and cannot act or be acted on that cycle. No other Aviar may be used.

Messenger (MR) - Your Aviar can remember thoughts and ideas, and imprint them on others. You may target one player, and in the next cycle you may converse via PM.

Observant - Your Aviar sees the potential actions of others. You may target one player, and see who acted on them (MR), or who they acted on (QF).

Influential (QF) - With precise shifts of emotion, your Aviar can affect the minds of others. You may target one player; their vote is cancelled.

Subtle (QF) - The strange power of your Aviar seems to bend the fabric of space,  You may target one player; any action directed at you will instead affect that player. (This only applies once to kill abilities, and is not reset when the Aviar moves to another player.)

 

Caution:

The Pantheon jungle is dangerous, and even the most experienced trappers can't afford to lower their guard. Each player receives a word or phrase (their 'code'), unique to them. They must include this word or phrase in a post a minimum of twice a cycle (for both QF and MR cycles!). Any player who does not has not been cautious enough. The first time, their code will be strongly hinted at in the writeup. The second time, they will die.

If player A believes the code of player B is X, they may tell the GM ('Player B's code is X'). If correct, A steals all of B's Aviar (or as many as possible before reaching the cap). If incorrect, B steals one of A's Aviar. This does not count as your action, though only one guess may be made per cycle.

Edited February 21, 2015 by twelfthrootoftwo

[twelfthrootoftwo]

If nobody has comments, Eol and I would like to sign up to co-GM the MR version.

[phattemer]

I would rather have a MR, because a lot of those abilities seem like they'd be better in the long term. When will this start, and is there a sign-up yet?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

At 12th root and Eol:

Game:

A MR game with combined Day and Night turns. Trappers v. Traders, with a bonus win condition for the Trapper with the most types of Aviar at the end of the game. Players get one vote and one action per cycle. Actions can include the Trader kill, Trapper special abilities, Aviar abilities (two can be used in one cycle) and giving Aviar to others.

Does giving an Avair count as a Avair Ability? And what is the Order of actions?

 

Trapper subclasses:

Some Trappers have special skills.

Are there any Safe roles?

 

Sori - Too young to have completed your training, you have nonetheless come to Amaji to fight the traders. You start the game knowing the identity of one non-Trader player.

Is Identity only Alignment or does it include Subclass?

 

Patji (active) - Not all the traders survived their first exposure to the Pantheon jungle. You took a harpoon gun from an unfortunate corpse before escaping the Father. You can make three kills over the game.

 

Is the Harpoon lootable if you're killed?

 

Skilled Trapper - The traps you set around your shelter are more subtle than most. You can survive one kill attempt other than the lynch.

One kill attempt total or one per cycle?

 

Influential (active) - You are known and respected among the Amaji trappers. You may change another player’s vote 5 times during the game.

What happens if multiple Influential Trappers target the same person?

 

Hidden (active) - Your shelter is well hidden. Each cycle, you may choose to hide; you lose your vote and become untargetable (immune to lynch and actions). Can’t be used two cycles in a row.

Can this be blocked by the Mind force Avair?

 

Aviar:

Players can start with more than one Aviar. Players can have a max of 5 Aviar; up to two can be used in the same cycle. A player can give any number of their Aviar to another player, and they can also be stolen (see below).

 

 

What happens if a Player wuth 5 Avair is given a sixth? Does that Avair die?

 

Mind Shield - You and your targeted player cannot be detected by Power Sensing Aviar. When this ability is activated, you and your target gain double caution in the next cycle (your target is informed of this).

 

What is Double Caution? Do you have to target another player? Can you target yourself?

 

Death Sight - Your Aviar warns about potential deaths. You may target one player; forewarned of death, they can survive one kill action that cycle (but not lynches).

 

Can this stack with Skilled Trapper? Allowing them to survive two attacks?

 

Power sensing - Your Aviar can sense and identify nearby Investiture. You may target one player, and learn the number of Aviar they possess and learn the nature of all the Aviar they possess.

 

What will they see if they target a trapper protected by Mind Shield or A Hidden Subclass?

 

Beautiful - Your Aviar seems to draw attention. You may target one player, and their Aviar are distracted and cannot act.

 

Will the player be told that they were role blocked?

 

Mind Force - Your Aviar can stimulate emotion - imprecise, but powerful. You may target one player; they lose their vote and cannot act or be acted on that cycle. No other Aviar may be used.

 

Does this include Avair Stealing?

 

 

Messenger - Your Aviar can remember thoughts and ideas, and imprint them on others. You may target one player, and in the next cycle you may converse via PM.

If you have two Messenger Birds, can you make two PM's? If you target the same player twice in a row, is a new PM started?

 

Observant - Your Aviar sees the potential actions of others. You may target one player, and see who acted on them.

If they are hidden, can you see who attempted to act on them?

 

Caution:

The Pantheon jungle is dangerous, and even the most experienced trappers can't afford to lower their guard. Each player receives a word or phrase (their 'code'), unique to them. They must include this word or phrase in a post a minimum of twice a cycle. Any player who does not has not been cautious enough. The first time, their code will be strongly hinted at in the writeup. The second time, they will die.

If player A believes the code of player B is X, they may tell the GM ('Player B's code is X'). If correct, A steals all of B's Aviar (or as many as possible before reaching the cap). If incorrect, B steals one of A's Aviar. This does not count as your action, though only one guess may be made per cycle

What happens if Multiple people guess correctly? What happens if A Guesses B's code at the same time as B guess C's code? Does Stealing count as an action?

Does saying the Code in White text count?

Edited March 1, 2015 by The Only Joe

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

I made a goal for myself with this game: Top all that came before it in complexity. What do people think?

Inter-Planetary Complications (LG)

 

So there is three planets. What do you do when they start to interact? Messy, that is. Very messy, especially when each of the three planets are divided in two.

Three Main Factions and Six Subfactions

• Roshar

  • Knights Radiant

  • Parshendi

• Scadrial

  • Nobles

  • Skaa

• Nalthis

  • Hallandren

  • Pahn Khali

Victory Conditions

• The Good Subfactions have a goal to jointly outnumber the Evil Subfactions.

• Each main faction has a secondary goal to outnumber the other factions in the game

• Subfactions have a third goal to be the largest subfaction at the end of the game.

 

Every main faction loyalty is known, but not every known loyalty is correct. Each main faction gets their own doc, also the subfactions get their own docs. The spies for each subfaction get their own doc. The Evil Subfactions gets their own doc and a group kill but the only people who know which players are spies are spies. Each faction can lynch one player in their faction. The only way to kill someone from another planet is if you have a Role, Item, or NPC that lets you.

 

Roles*

Knight Radiant Roles:

Edgedancer- Protect one player from Roshar from all actions. Costs one Sphere. Edgedancers start with two Spheres. Gain one new sphere every two cycles if you post once in both cycles. See Roshar Items on Spheres. If you kill someone, you cannot use your abilities for one cycle.

Windrunner- Avoid one action targeted at you at the cost of one Sphere. You can use two spheres if you think you will be targeted twice. Start with three spheres. Gain one new sphere every two cycles if you post once in both cycles. If you kill someone, you cannot use your abilities for one cycle.

Squire- You have a Knight Radiant ability, however it costs you double the amount of Spheres to use. You gain a Sphere every cycle if you post in that cycle.

Parshendi Roles

Nimbleform- You are fast enough to avoid an attack, but you do not escape uninjured. You become Injured. See Statuses.

Warform- Attack one player at night. You both become Injured. See Statuses.

Dullform- You may find out the subfaction loyalty of player in the main faction of Roshar. If the player you targeted is a spy for another faction, then you will be informed they were protected against all actions.

Noble Roles

House Lord- People respect you for your wisdom.You may either have your vote count twice or change someone’s vote. You cannot change their vote if it is for you.

Misting- You may have one of these abilities as long as you have the metal

-Pewter: Injure your target from any faction. If you burn pewter twice in a row, you gain Pewter Drag. See Statuses. You gain three cycles’ worth of pewter if you spend a cycle purchasing from a Metallurgist.

-Iron: Protect your target. You gain three cycles’ worth of iron if you spend a cycle purchasing from a Metallurgist.

-Copper: Protect yourself from any seeking roles. You gain four cycles’ worth of copper if you spend a cycle purchasing from a Metallurgist.

-Atium: Predict any actions on yourself. You Injure anyone who tries to target you for a negative action. You gain one cycle’s worth of atium if you spend one turn purchasing from a Metallurgist. May buy a Kandra, see NPCs, with two pieces of atium.

Skaa Roles

Misting- You may have one of these abilities as long as you have the metal

-Pewter: Injure your target from any faction. If you burn pewter three times in a row, you gain Pewter Drag. See Statuses. You gain three cycles’ worth of pewter if you spend a cycle purchasing from a Metallurgist.

-Iron: Protect your target. You gain three cycles’ worth of iron if you spend a cycle purchasing from a Metallurgist.

-Copper: Protect yourself from any seeking roles. You gain four cycles’ worth of copper if you spend a cycle purchasing from a Metallurgist.

-Bronze: Find out a person’s subfaction if they use any type of Investure.

Informant- You know things and people know that. You may remove one vote from another player-any player-in exchange for overhearing any of their PMs.

Nalthis Roles (There are NOT distinct roles for each subfaction on Nalthis)

Awakener (any player may become an Awakener if they can Worldhop or live on Nalthis)-

-First Heightening (2): If any player with Breath, see Nalthis Items, attacks you, you are told that they had Breath. You see them coming and become Injured, see Statuses, if you would have died. If you would have become Injured, you still become Injured. Surviving an attack by an Awakener costs one Breath, making you a Drab.

-Second Heightening (3):  You can tell if any player in your faction has Breath, but not the number of Breath they have. If any player with Breath attacks you, you are told the amount of Breath they had, but only if they had less Breath than you. You become Injured. Surviving an attack by an Awakener costs one Breath, demoting you to First Heightening.

-Third Heightening(4): Ability to Awaken, see NPC for Awakened Objects to see costs and options. This ability is not lost if you Awaken. This ability is gained if someone reaches the Third Heightening through purchase of Breath, but only if that player is originally from Nalthis. You can tell if any player has Breath. You are told the amount of Breath they have. If anyone attacks you, you Awaken to protect yourself. If you have four Breaths you won’t die, but you become a Drab. See Statuses.

Inate Investure (1)- You may sell or buy Breath. If you sell your Breath to remove one vote, then you become a Drab. There must be a buyer in order to sell your Breath. You can buy Breath and be promoted to the First Heightening.

 

Secondary Role**

Worldhopper- You may travel to other factions and if your action would only affect people on your planet, you can now affect them. You have access to your home planet’s doc, but your real goal is to prevent the Evil Teams from winning. No secondary or third goal for you. May purchase any items on the planet they are currently on if the items are for sale.

 

*A spy can have any ability in their subfaction, but may not be a worldhopper.

**Anyone from any subfaction can be a worldhopper as long as they are not a spy.

 

Items

Each cycle, there is a certain number of items available for sale of curancy or votes. The votes are added onto your total for that cycle. The number of items change from cycle to cycle.

 

Roshar Items

Spheres: May be gained once per every other cycle for Parshendi, except dullform. Spheres may be used to buy other Roshar items.

Blackbane (5 Spheres or 4 Votes):  May be used to poison someone. The first turn you buy it, poisoning someone has no effect. If you use it one cycle after it Injures someone, see Statuses. If you use it two cycles later it kills someone. One time use only.

Spear (5 Spheres or 4 Votes): May be used to Injure someone every cycle. It will be revealed in the write up that you did so.

Precious Gemstones: You start with these and sell them for two Spheres in addition to your cycle’s worth of Spheres.

Spanreed (3 Spheres or 2 Votes): Two people start with these. If you buy one, then another person from any main faction (spanreeds know no bounds!) will be given one too. You may start a PM with the other player. You must include the GM.

Scadrial Items

Metals (1 Vote per amount): See Noble and Skaa Roles for what each amount is.

Atium (2 votes):   

Lerasium Alloy: Cannot be bought. Will randomly be given to one Worldhopper and they will have the choice to burn it or not. They have the choice to give it to another Worldhopper. Must be on Scadrial to gain metals to burn.

Dueling Cane (three votes): Only available for Nobles. Will Injure, see Statuses, another player unless they have a Dueling Cane as well or protection.

Nalthis Items:

Breath (1 vote per Breath): During the Night Cycle, any player can put a Breath up for sale in exchange for one less vote on them the next cycle. If they don’t get voted for the next cycle, they can chose to change someone else’s vote. During the Day Cycle their Breath is in the Nalthis Store. A worldhopper on Nalthis may buy one and gain the First Heightening. Anyone with no Heightening on Nalthis can buy and become the First Heightening. Anyone with the First may become the Second with a Breath. Anyone with the Second may become the Third.

Medicine (four votes): Heals the Sick.

Ichor Alcohol (1 vote for 1 cycle’s worth of it): Keeps your Lifeless in shape.

Statuses

Healthy- You are healthy. There are no disadvantages against you.

Injured- You attacked someone and they Injured you or you Injured them. Either way, you need to Sleep for a Cycle in order to become Healthy again. See Sleep. If you are Injured, then if you are attacked and Injured again you will die. If you attack anyone, you will be killed unless it is a Poisoning. You may use Pewter if you are a Thug to remove these effects, but if you end up Pewter Dragging then you will die. If you live on Nalthis and are Injured, you can sell your Breath to the Returned. It is enough to buy Medicine to heal you, however now you have to Sleep every other cycle.

Drab- You sold your Breath or used it to avoid dying. Now every Night cycle you need to Sleep or you will get Sick.

Sick- You must sleep for two cycles in a row or use Medicine on the first cycle to remove the effects. If you miss one cycle of sleep and don’t use medicine, you become sicker and trying to protect you has no effect. You fall die on the second cycle. It will be known you are Sick in the write up. You can burn Pewter if you are a Worldhopping Thug to avoid sleeping, but if you end up Pewter Dragging, you die.

Asleep- You may not use any actions or Items. If you were Asleep, then it will be revealed in the write up. If you are attacked and would be just Injured, you will be killed instead of Injured.

Pewter Drag- The moment you stop Pewter Dragging you fall Unconscious.

Unconscious- An effect of Pewter Dragging. You are basically Asleep for three cycles. It will be told in the write up then you fell Unconscious. If you are attacked, you die. Basically, avoid Pewter Dragging as it will probably lead to your death.

NPCs

Scadrial NPCs

Kandra: Kandras cost 2 atium to hire for one cycle only. They can worldhop.

-Kandras can find out the role and alignment of players.

-Kandras can manipulate a different planet’s vote by changing one vote to whatever you want.

-Kandras can take the body of a person after a lynch. The kandra will then be able to use that player’s action once. However, the next person to hire the kandra will be able to use it, not you.

 

Nalthis NPC

Returned: You can sell your Breath to a Returned in order to

-Remove a vote on you

-Buy Medicine

Awakener Commands:

-Strangle Things (costs 4 Breath): Kills one player from Nalthis. Works for one cycle. One cycle after use, you gain your Breath back.

-Protect me (cost 2 Breath): Protects you from attacks on Nalthis. Does not protect from Lynches, Steel, Kandra, or Atium. Works for one cycle. You get your Breath back the next.

-Hold things (costs 2 Breath) Lets you hold three Items instead of two. Once you draw back your Breath, you drop the extra Item.

Lifeless: They do the same as Awakened Commands, but you have to buy ichor alcohol every other turn and you lose the Breath permanently. You cannot withdraw the Breath. All Lifeless are permanent. If you would die in an attack, the Lifeless dies instead and you get Injured.

 

 

I think I've said this before, but this game is too complicated. You're attempting to run three games at the same time, with a few players who can hop between games at will. 

[Kasimir he/him]

The other point is that the complication is making it hard for me to give feedback, TBH. There are so many interactions and possibilities that it's hard to be able to say something constructive about say, game balance. Still, I'll try again later.

[twelfthrootoftwo]

Thanks for the feedback, Joe!

Does giving an Avair count as a Avair Ability?

No. Giving Aviar is its own action, and cannot be performed while using any other action.
 

And what is the Order of actions?
Can this be blocked by the Mind force Avair?

Order of actions:
 
Roleblocks (in order: Hidden, Beautiful, Mind Force)
Messenger
Voting
Vote Change
Mind Shield
Power Sense
Death Sight
Observant
Kills (simultaneous: Trader, Patji, lynch)
Aviar movement
 
Beautiful can block Mind Force, and using Mind Force on a Hidden player will not make them vulnerable to a lynch. (The two effects are otherwise identical.)
 

Are there any Safe roles?

Sori, possibly. Since it's not useful at all to the traders, it could really go either way.
 

Is Identity only Alignment or does it include Subclass?

Alignment only, though this could change.
 

Is the Harpoon lootable if you're killed?

No. The Aviar held by a player when they die are also lost.
 

One kill attempt total or one per cycle?
Can this stack with Skilled Trapper? Allowing them to survive two attacks?

One total, as per Thugs. Skilled Trapper and Death Sight can stack; Death Sight blocks one attack, and the Trapper only loses their extra life that cycle if they are attacked twice.
 

What happens if multiple Influential Trappers target the same person?

It will work as per Rioters in a standard game. From memory, the last one to send in the order wins, but I could be wrong.
 

What happens if a Player wuth 5 Avair is given a sixth? Does that Avair die?

If an Aviar would move to someone with 5 Aviar, the move does not take place. If a player with 4 Aviar would steal/be given two or more, the Aviar received is chosen randomly; the others stay with their original owner. If a combination of stealing and giving would take a player over the cap, giving receives priority.
 

What is Double Caution? Do you have to target another player? Can you target yourself?

I wasn't very clear here. Double caution means you only need to use your code once in the next round.
You can target any of: nobody, yourself, another player, yourself and another player.
 

What will they see if they target a trapper protected by Mind Shield or A Hidden Subclass?
Will the player be told that they were role blocked?

If your ability is cancelled due to a roleblock (Hidden, Beautiful, Mind Force (on you or your target)) you will be informed. You won't know what kind of roleblock occurred, but it will be distinct from no result. You are only told about being roleblocked if it affected the actions you took - so someone using their Trapper ability would not be told about a player using Beautiful on them.
 

Does this include Avair Stealing?
Does Stealing count as an action?

No. Aviar stealing is not an action, and may not be blocked by any ability. (Giving, however, can be blocked.)
 

If you have two Messenger Birds, can you make two PM's? If you target the same player twice in a row, is a new PM started?

Yes. (You can't use any other Aviar, though.) And if the same player is targeted, a new PM is created. (This is just so recipients can't assume they were contacted again and post a message before the GM or Messenger owner can confirm.) Old PMs will remain visible.
 

If they are hidden, can you see who attempted to act on them?

Not in the current version. (Subject to change, though.)
 

What happens if Multiple people guess correctly? What happens if A Guesses B's code at the same time as B guess C's code?

All Aviar movements happen simultaneously, so in your scenario A would have B's old Aviar and B would have C's old Aviar.
The case of multiple correct guesses is more complex. Aviar are randomly distributed among the group to guess correctly with the fewest uses of that player's code. If A and B are guessing C's code, and C posts their code during the cycle:
[A guesses, B guesses, C posts]: C's Aviar are randomly distributed to A and B
[A guesses, C posts, B guesses]: A gets all of C's Aviar.
In both scenarios, if A or B would surpass the Aviar cap, the rest of C's Aviar go to the other.
 

Does saying the Code in White text count?

Maybe. If it does, it will be made extremely obvious in the rules. Ciphers/first letters of sentences/white text instead of spaces and similar are all forbidden, though.

 
Winter, the main issue I have with your game - before all the potential interactions - is that there's generally little incentive to interact with other worlds. Perhaps this is just how I play, but secondary and tertiary win conditions are generally nice bonuses that I won't go out of my way for. If I were a Villager in your game, I'd be focused entirely on what was happening on my world, possibly baiting worldhoppers into thinking we're in a worse position than we are. Interacting with off-world factions isn't worth the turn, unless the outcome of my world is essentially decided. Cleaning up the game by a) integrating the worlds more and b ) cutting down the roles (more interaction will only increase effective complexity) will make something that's more fun to play (and easier to GM!).
 

When will this start, and is there a sign-up yet?

Not for a while, given we're last on the list. Alvron is taking signups for Competing Realities right now, though.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

It will work as per Rioters in a standard game. From memory, the last one to send in the order wins, but I could be wrong.

I believe all three votes were canceled in previous games.

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Just came up with this game before going to bed, think it has any merit? If so, sign me up to the QF GM List!
 

The Courts of Halladren

Standard Quick Fix set on Nalthis, a series of debates and trials to find traitors guilty of treason against the God King. The Returned have been set to task finding the Traitors amongst themselves.

24 hours cycles,, Public Votes, No Roles

Infiltrators get one kill per cycle, but do not get to message or contact each other.

There is a twist, however. Each player can sacrifice themselves each cycle to protect somebody else from death. If that person would die, you die in their place instead. Each cycle you would send in an Order of who to protect. Traitors can not make a kill and protect on the same cycle.

Should be interesting?

Edit: I suppose if multiple people protect the same person, random pick of who dies instead??
 

Edited March 3, 2015 by Gamma Fiend

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Interesting concept

 

Heh, I'll take that as a compliment.

The motivation behind the game is the idea to try and make a game as simple as possible, making it a throwback to the Original Mafia shell. But I wanted to give it a Sanderson Twist of course, so Nalthis presented the perfect opportunity for that with the Returned. To fit in that twist though, I had to nix all Roles, so there'd be no information that could be gained that can be absolutely trusted, forcing all players to think more critically, and not relying on power roles or anything else to pave the way to victory for them. And the Returned dying instead still would keep the kill counts the same for each cycle, not delaying the pace of the game at all.

I like the idea of all players having the option to use the Returned power too, because that should be rather interesting. In some games, when there are a lot of power roles, there are either a few vanillas, who can sometimes start to feel left out of the center of activity, that or it's Role Madness, and then it's just a storming tough time to balance. XD

Oh, and seeing what type of Returned characters people will come up with on here? I'm rather excited for it!

Game Clarification: Player A is being lynched. Player B protects Player A, and Player C protects Player B. Player C would die.( I rule it this way because it will be much more amusing, I think, as players try and scramble to figure out the chain of protection! XD)

[little wilson she/her]

Game Clarification: Player A is being lynched. Player B protects Player A, and Player C protects Player B. Player C would die.( I rule it this way because it will be much more amusing, I think, as players try and scramble to figure out the chain of protection! XD)

I like this, but I see one potential problem. Player A protects Player C and you have a circle of protection. Who dies then?