Long Game 2: The Devil's Den

[dyring]

ooc - point, after rechecking rules, I find I had missunderstood something. So... count the barkeeper as simply pissed at someone getting into his bar uninvited;)

 

"Peng have prooved hes able to shoot coins. Its a pity he used it to kill one of our innocent friends. Be that as it may.

 

We will still need the report from seekers. Wich we propably wont get today. For all we know, Peng could still be the inquisitor. The inquisitor _might_ be able to shoot coins too.

 

 

It is odd that the inquisitor managed to kill the lurcher. I do wonder if he was silly enough to tell someone, or if it was just luck.

 

 "

Edited January 30, 2014 by dyring

[Peng the Just he/him]

I have not yet heard anything from anyone claiming to be a seeker. *sits idly in front of a mug of ale, sipping occasionaly, waiting*

[Aether he/him]

I am not so sure it would be wise of the Seeker to present him(/her)self openly. He would only end up making him(/her)self a target. In fact, in the last game, that only made us (the quartet of Spiked villagers) work to kill him (Edgedancer, to my knowlegde, is male) even faster. We got the villagers to lynch him that very same day. It would be better if he were to announce him(/her)self to the ones he has sought through a PM and start building a coalition secretly. If (s)he happened to find the Inquisitor, though, then (s)he should come out in the open and tell us to kill him/her. I suggest that we should heed the call of anyone who openly comes fourth and claims to have found our enemy and have out remaining lurchers to protect him/her. If (s)he proves to be a liar, then we can always just kill him/her the very next day.

Edited January 30, 2014 by Aether

[Swimmingly he/him]

I trust that Peng is a Mistborn now. I recommend that the Seekers use him to broadcast everything. And, for the love of Preservation, all remaining Lurchers protect the man. If Weiry was the first and last...

[Kurkistan he/him]

Okay then. Too bad about the Lurcher, good thing we probably have spares.

 

So do we all trust Peng now? He called his shot (I was one of the people he told). All that remains is a Seeker saying something if things are fishy. If Peng was Smoked, then he couldn't have both used Copper and called Lam's death, so he's legit. If he wasn't Smoked, then the Seeker knows his allegiance.

 

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So I guess we wait a few hours, then if no one objects we start PM'ing Peng to tell him our roles/suspicions?

Edited January 30, 2014 by Kurkistan

[Leonardus he/him]

My death sucked, it was a horrible way to go, but anyways I wanted to tell Peng "I told you so" and that the dead people make their way to heaven, its quite lonely up there.

Also have fun  (in other words your all dead.)

Edited January 30, 2014 by Leonardus

[Aether he/him]

Okay then. Too bad about the Lurcher, good thing we probably have spares.

 

So do we all trust Peng now? He called his shot (I was one of the people he told). All that remains is a Seeker saying something if things are fishy. If Peng was Smoked, then he couldn't have both used Copper and called Lam's death, so he's legit. If he wasn't Smoked, then the Seeker knows his allegiance.

 

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So I guess we wait a few hours, then if no one objects we start PM'ing Peng to tell him our roles/suspicions?

A good analysis. I feel quite confident in your strategy, considering that the Inquisitor would not have any allies this early. I shall partake in this effort and start up a conversation with Peng.

 

I shall wait until others come forth to verify Pengs target. Not that I do not trust you, Kukri (actually, thinking closer about this, I do not really ), but I would feel safer trusting Peng if we could get a separate confirmation of it.

Edited January 30, 2014 by Aether

[dyring]

Kurk, your making the same mistake as me. It seems the inquisitor got nothing to do with the message, it was simply a tineye. I would still like to hear from the tineye to be sure thou. 

 

Aether: And you just managed to trick some in the last game. Unfortunately, they joined you. Bart/beetle´s second run stunt to get Edge was _very_ suspicious, and once edgar turned out to really be a seeker, it was very obvious that beetle was spiked, those beliving him did so basically only cause they didnt wanna admit they should have realized it already before and didnt stop to think. Especially when Quinn, one of those wanting beetle to be killed was targeted in the night to protect him.

As long as people stop to think in this game, that shouldent happend again. different situation, with just 1 "evil" at this point.

 

"Peng is not 100% in the clear. Do not repeat old mistakes. He could very well still be the Inq. Remember meta´s comment on powers of the Inquisitor not neceserily being the same as ours. Its in no way 100% certain that the INQ can only use 1 power/night.

 

I would so much have wanted to know if the lurcher told anyone what he was. I dislike that that tineye actually told Peng what he was already. Peng was still then quite a high suspect, and still is. I do hope that there isnt to many others who have.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have any real suspect at this time. No killvote yet.

 

Seekers:

Do not go out openly, but IF you have confirmed Peng being what he is, then tell him of yourselves. Only then! and then target some others and bring them into your circle.

 

If more then one seeker contacts Peng, dont let them know of eachothers, that might be a daring move by the inq, who would in that hypotetical situation know that Peng was telling the truth.

 

Others, dont give him that info. But dont kill him, ofcourse;). And if we have a second lurcher, protect him. And dont let anyone know what you are;)"

Edited January 30, 2014 by dyring

[bartbug he/him]

Peng told me as well. I think that if his team has a seeker, he needs to start verifying the identities of those he told. Then we can build a solid team.

By the way, Aether, it's okay. Clancy lives within me.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Wow. Three deaths. I'm so sorry to those unfortunate individuals. Hey, Tineye, what's with such a cryptic message? There's so many different parts. I have no clue who to vote for yet.

[Swimmingly he/him]

What did Peng draw today?

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Gamon was trying to wash his hangover away. With water - blessed, pumped-full-of-antidote water. He felt worse than a Koloss looked. And he felt like he looked like one, too.

Why did he stoop so low as to go drinking with that ragged street urchin? Babbling his incoherencies. That gruel they were drinking last night got him so loaded, he didn't even try making a pass at that noble woman they were drinking with.

Guess I do have more important things to worry about, he thought morbidly.  There was still a killer in their midst. And with apparently half the group having those strange night time powers, there were even more of them at risk.

He sighed and ordered another glass of water, kind of wishing it was something stronger. This is going to be a long day. And I don't even have a clue who to suspect yet!

[dyring]

peng is still a coinshot shimble. He draws at start of night, not start of day unless Im mistaken.

 

Went backand read through early posts(the ones made soon after we recieved a PM with our roles;))

 

Current top suspicions on my behalf is

 

Shimble

Gamon

 

And well, Peng seems suspicious in his early posts too, with first wanting to kill, the stopping. It does almost seem as someone who tries to get someone to get killed, but then stops to not be high profile.

 

But all 3 of them are really weak suspicions at this time. Not enough to vote kill on imho. And wont vote for peng at this point, while he´s the most suspicious still at this point, he´s also to strong an asset if hes telling the truth.

Edited January 30, 2014 by dyring

[princess she/her]

Cessie was pulled from her second night of drink aided sleep from the sound of the crowd around her.  Groaning, she opened her eyes, and was instantly greeted with the message on the wall.  Grabbing her head, she decided that she was much too sick to try and decide what it meant.  "Water," she croaked, closing her eyes against the brightness of the sun.  A glass of water was set down next to her, and she sipped at it slowly, trying to convince her stomach she didn't need to repeat her actions of the morning before.

 

"Again with the killing?" She thought when she had finally caught the gist of the converstaion.  "I had never realized how blood thursty people were.  Personally, if I am going to be even partly responsible for someone's death, I want to have more evidence."

 

No kill for now

[Kurkistan he/him]

Kurk, your making the same mistake as me. It seems the inquisitor got nothing to do with the message, it was simply a tineye. I would still like to hear from the tineye to be sure thou. 

 

No, I mean that Peng PM'd me during the night and said "I'm Coinshooting Lam".

 

"Peng is not 100% in the clear. Do not repeat old mistakes. He could very well still be the Inq. Remember meta´s comment on powers of the Inquisitor not neceserily being the same as ours. Its in no way 100% certain that the INQ can only use 1 power/night.

Actually, it is 100% certain that the Inquisitor can only use 1 power at a time.

Source:

On top of this, I want to address a misconception that I think you guys are working from about the Inquisitor's Ruin-granted abilities. The Inquisitor has access to all of their powers at any given time. They can only use one of them per turn, but they can use any of them. They are not like the Mistborn. That should help you all sleep well tonight! 

 

So the Inquisitor cannot possibly have both Coinshot Lam and Smoked himself, for instance. If any Seeker comes forward and says "Peng was Smoked the Inquisitor!", then we will know 100% that either Peng or that Seeker(?) is the Inquisitor.

 

-Actually, question to Meta: Does the Inquisitor use one power per turn (so one in the day, possibly a different one in the night) or one power per cycle?

 

I would so much have wanted to know if the lurcher told anyone what he was. I dislike that that tineye actually told Peng what he was already. Peng was still then quite a high suspect, and still is. I do hope that there isnt to many others who have.

 

Unfortunately, I do not have any real suspect at this time. No killvote yet.

I think Peng is quite low-suspicion at this time, actually. If any Seeker comes forward and say's Peng read as an Inquisitor last night, then we'll know one of those 2 is Mr. Evil. If not, then we know that Peng is legit.

 

Seekers:

Do not go out openly, but IF you have confirmed Peng being what he is, then tell him of yourselves. Only then! and then target some others and bring them into your circle.

 

If more then one seeker contacts Peng, dont let them know of eachothers, that might be a daring move by the inq, who would in that hypotetical situation know that Peng was telling the truth.

 

Others, dont give him that info. But dont kill him, ofcourse;). And if we have a second lurcher, protect him. And dont let anyone know what you are;)"

 

I can agree with all these, though I think people should start PM'ing him their roles if we don't get a Seeker saying "he's EVIL!" fairly soon.

 

EDIT: Big change, I accidentally said that at Seeker saying Peng was Smoked would prove his Inquisitorial status. This is not the case.

Edited January 30, 2014 by Kurkistan

[Aether he/him]

Aether: And you just managed to trick some in the last game. Unfortunately, they joined you. Bart/beetle´s second run stunt to get Edge was _very_ suspicious, and once edgar turned out to really be a seeker, it was very obvious that beetle was spiked, those beliving him did so basically only cause they didnt wanna admit they should have realized it already before and didnt stop to think. Especially when Quinn, one of those wanting beetle to be killed was targeted in the night to protect him.

As long as people stop to think in this game, that shouldent happend again. different situation, with just 1 "evil" at this point.

I didn't really try to imply that we had fooled everyone, only that it worked.

 

I'd also prefer if we could keep all references to the previous game out-of-character (id est in blue). I do not mind references to it, but it should be said that it doesn't directly have anything to do with this game, apart from the few RP tie-ins some of us do.

 I can agree with all these, though I think people should start PM'ing him their roles if we don't get a Seeker saying "he's EVIL!" fairly soon.

As Lem was killed by Coinshooting abilities, and it would be entirely unlikely that Peng would have guessed who would be killed by that ability, I do not see any way the Inquisitor could have anything to do with it at all. I'd be happy to reveal to him by role (if any) as long as we can get at least one separate confirmation of his announced target.

 

EDIT: I see now that bartbug has confirmed that Peng announced his target. I'll send him a PM with my role. We should keep our conversations separate, though, so that the Inquisitor cannot easily gain information about everyone by infiltrating the group.

 

EDIT 2: @Meta: can the Inquisitor convert a Lurched target? If so, I might change my mind about coming forth to Peng, as he is incredibly vulnerable to being Spiked now, as he'd be an obvious target since he would quickly be privy to at least some of our roles.

Edited January 30, 2014 by Aether

[Kurkistan he/him]

The Inquisitor could have killed Weiry the "normal" way while using some other power, such as possibly Smoking Peng. Alternativley, if Peng is the Inquisitor, he could be taking a gamble (for some reason) and have used Steel and not Copper last night: this would let a Seeker out him.

 

So far as confirmation of Peng planning to kill Lam goes, you don't really need anyone else. He PM'd me beforehand, so that's 1 and that's actually enough, since there can't be 2 evil players at this point.

 

Beyond that, he told the Tineye and bartbug.

 

EDIT: *Sees your edit*

 

The rules tell us that the Mistborn cannot ever be converted, so the worst case scenario is Peng dying and taking all our secrets to his grave. That's kind of the point of this whole "can we trust him?: if so: AWESOME" business.

Edited January 30, 2014 by Kurkistan

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Maxill awoke to loud noises in the room above his sleep-spot in the cellar. He snuck up and saw a writing on the wall. Three people dead? Already? "I hope we can trust this Peng. If not, we're deaded," Maxill muttered. This Inquisitor has some weird and mysterious powers. They're more mysterious and possibly powerful than a Mistborn's.

[Aether he/him]

The rules tell us that the Mistborn cannot ever be converted, so the worst case scenario is Peng dying and taking all our secrets to his grave. That's kind of the point of this whole "can we trust him: if so: AWESOME" business.

I had forgotten about this particular rule. As long as we (hopefully) still have a Lurcher to protect him, I do not really see how he could. This also have the added benefit of clearing you, Kurk, as I was slightly starting to suspect you of trying to talk up Peng, only to then convert him to your side. This would have been a brilliant strategy if you had been the inquisitor.

 

And since I consider it to be too much of a risk for an Inquisitor to do what Peng is doing, I find it incredibly likely that he really is the Mistborn, and not an extremely aggressive (and risk-taking) enemy player. I'll be PMing him my role now.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

So, with Weiry dead, the Inquisitor will probably convert someone to his/her side this next coming night. If they do get Weiry's power, that would be extremely unfortunate for us as they could Lurch the Inquisitor every night and he/she would be much harder to kill. But converting someone would take away one of the Inquisitor's powers which would be beneficial for us.

Edited January 30, 2014 by Mailliw73

[Kurkistan he/him]

I had forgotten about this particular rule. As long as we (hopefully) still have a Lurcher to protect him, I do not really see how he could. This also have the added benefit of clearing you, Kurk, as I was slightly starting to suspect you of trying to talk up Peng, only to then convert him to your side. This would have been a brilliant strategy if you had been the inquisitor.

 

And since I consider it to be too much of a risk for an Inquisitor to do what Peng is doing, I find it incredibly likely that he really is the Mistborn, and not an extremely aggressive (and risk-taking) enemy player. I'll be PMing him my role now.

 

Well thanks for not suspecting me.

 

I agree with your conclusion about Peng, also. I've sent him my role. The Seeker would have said something by now if he wasn't kosher. Even if we find out an hour from now that he's EVIL, we can still take him down in the vote/in the night; as I think it unlikely that he is, I want to maximize the information available to our only trustworthy player so that he can guide us towards a Inquisitor-less future.

 

At this point, really, anyone who doesn't send Peng a PM with their real role is suspicious. If he knows everyone, then he can coordinate our efforts from behind the scenes and maybe sniff out a few of the more suspicious players.

Edited January 30, 2014 by Kurkistan

[Quiver he/him]

Okay, so I haven't been especially active. This is half a reminder to you guys that I am still reading this stuff, and I'll try posting as often as possible, it's just that some unexpected stuff has come up so I may be about less often for a while.

And... I'm tempted to follow through with what everyone else seems to be doing and PMing my role to Penguin, though do we actually have access to a tin eye at the moment? We lost the only one we had last game so quickly that I'm not quite certain how the mechanic works.

[bartbug he/him]

Yeah, this game is going to be a different best entirely.

Umm... sorry about that.

[Kurkistan he/him]

@Quiver

We still have a Tineye, so just PM Peng and cc Meta on it.

@Meta

Rules question: Does team-evil get to kill someone as a free action every night, or does it require the Inquisitor to use a power? Similarly, can the Inquisitor both kill and convert in the same night?

[Aether he/him]

It was really just a very lucky shot last time that we got the Tineye so early. We only selected 213 (Dr. Digits) because he was the only one (at the time we finally decided on a target) who hadn't checked in. We thought it would be a nice gesture to avoid killing anyone of the more active players, as we would have been extremely annoyed ourselves to have been killed off so early after having already invested quite a bit of time in the game.