TheMightyLopen he/him Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 Okay, so, I promised this post to a couple people, so here it is. Suspicions: Rae - I believe Elbereth was suspicious of Rae and attacked her for her Dueling Bugsy. Might sound a bit strange, but given the lynch on Bugsy was just so easy, it appears that the eliminators weren't terribly concerned with him dying, especially with the way he seemed to go down so easy as well. So what I think, and what I think Elbereth thought, was that Bugsy was in a bit of trouble, so the Forsworn decided to just bus him to gain trust since he was most likely a goner anyway. Plus, by initiating the Duel, Rae got a lot of his Merit and his ionBlade. So that's the basis of my suspicion on Rae. Stick - Looking back at the lynch on Bugsy, I found this comment that has made me lean Forsworn on Stick: "My thoughts on Elbereth are mostly villager..ish. By saying that Elbereth is one of Bugsy's most trusted, Bugsy might have been trying to provoke suspicions on Elbereth." This was pretty early in the game, with not a lot of evidence to say El was a villager and Bugsy wasn't really revealed evil, so it strikes me as her knowing more than she should at that point. Of course, she could have been just a right villager, but going with the thought that Bugsy was bussed, I'm leaning elim on her right now. Bard - I'm not very suspicious of Bard, but I thought the way he initiated the Duel on Wonko so early could imply that he knew he'd survive and he wanted to start the Duel himself so he could get the Merit/items from killing him. I thought of suggesting that we let Doc initiate the Duel everyone decides on from here on out, since I think he's by far the most cleared player around, but I kinda feel like that could take away from the fun of the game. I'd like to hear everyone's opinion though, since it could be useful. I know this is off the subject of Bard, but another thought I had was that even if we don't have Doc/super trusted player initiate all the Duels, we could at least ask whoever wins Duels to alert the thread or some people they trust about what they won from the Duel. That way we have some accountability from the winners of Duels. Trusts: Doc: Contacted by Wonko, and Bugsy revealed his plan in the thread. I don't see any reason for them to do all of that if Doc was Forsworn. I'm almost 100% certain that Doc is Faithful. Daniyah - Strong gut village read. I'd have to go over her posts again to give more detail, but I don't really have the time to do that. I guess I'd put Burnt under trusts as well. At first I was sort of suspicious of her, because Rae voted for her for the ionBlade thing and then removed it, and it seems to me that Rae votes on her teammates quite often when she's evil, but, lately I've become less suspicious of Burnt, and her posts/PM have me leaning more towards villager. I also don't like giving something that someone else has said or done who's alignment is unknown as reason to suspect a different player. So looking solely over all that Burnt has said(in PM's and thread), I'd lean village. I don't really have strong feelings for everyone else. Kind of "meh." Looking at my notes, I did jot down little circles next to Jondesu, Sheep, DA, and Assassin though. I think that was back on Cycle 2 though, and I can't remember what gave me that impression. Oh yeah, circles mean village and triangles mean elims in my notes. Don't ask me why, because I don't know.
Stick. she/her Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 2 hours ago, TheMightyLopen said: Stick - Looking back at the lynch on Bugsy, I found this comment that has made me lean Forsworn on Stick: "My thoughts on Elbereth are mostly villager..ish. By saying that Elbereth is one of Bugsy's most trusted, Bugsy might have been trying to provoke suspicions on Elbereth." This was pretty early in the game, with not a lot of evidence to say El was a villager and Bugsy wasn't really revealed evil, so it strikes me as her knowing more than she should at that point. Of course, she could have been just a right villager, but going with the thought that Bugsy was bussed, I'm leaning elim on her right now. If I were Forsworn, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't tell you guys that Bugsy is evil. I also wouldn't say that I think El is a villager, in fact, I would have tried to get the votes off of Bugsy and onto El XD
Dani she/her Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 All these murders was getting Danii on edge, especially since she herself was not the one doing the killing. She hadn't known Lumina very well, but she had heard that she was an excellent warrior. If she could die here.... Danii had waited long enough now. It was high time that she executed the desperate plan she had devised. All she needed was faith, paint and some thorns. She walked out of the war room. Danii burst through the doors. Hair disheveled, clothes ripped, pieces of cloth hanging here and there, gashes on exposed skin, she looked like she had been attacked by- "RABBITS!" She gasped out as she stumbled into the war room. "Two wild rabbits on the loose." She swept her eyes across the room and saw that almost everyone was still there: one of the giggling girls, Shawl man, Tuxedo man, Sanis, Nyanah, and others that she recognized by face. Perfect. She made a show of tripping and catching herself before hitting the ground. Then she grabbed the shoulders of the person next to her, shook them and yelled at the man's face, "save yourself!" Muttering gibberish to herself, fully aware of everyone's eyes on her, Danii went and sat on a chair at the corner. What she had just done would only make sense to the Healer, and she was sure he was in the room right now. Hopefully he was still up for vengeance.. 3
Doc12 Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 “Rabbits! Two wild rabbits on the loose!” Spartacus jerked violently at the cry. What? No. It can’t be. Unbidden, flashes of memory flared across his mind, causing him to stagger. no….NO…. A quiet, peaceful village. Red eyes. The Rabbit of Caerbannog...Little tapping footsteps in the dark. Screams. Little bunny Foo Foo…laughter....blood...One of the rabbits leaping and tearing out his throat as he gurgled a scream through the blood Spartacus shook his head violently, trying to clear those traumatic memories. Rabbits...His wild eyes darted to the woman who had screamed. She looked just as distraught as he was, shaking and grabbing people’s shoulders. And she would be, if he was right and they were the same rabbits. Spartacus threw a glance back at Gregor and Sanis, but decided ultimately to run towards the woman. He touched her shoulders, stilling her trembling, making eye contact. “Don’t worry, you’re safe now, you’re with me, don’t worr-” He had seen the gleam in her eye. Violently, he pushed her back, just as she cried tie things!. Not a moment too soon, for all color drained from around the woman - Danii - as her sash leapt towards him and tried to ensnare his hand. The rope whipped around him, and if he had still been standing close to Danii, he would have been helpless. As it was, the sash only trapped his arm. He cursed, then flicked out his razor. Like a snake, the sash wound itself around his torso and started squeezing, pinning his arm to his body. Mocking laughter. Trap things! Beat things! An ornamental suit of armor rose to life, some rope on the floor contrived to tangle his feet. The Healer muttered some more violent curses. Gasping for breath, too late. The rope wound around his neck and squeezed. Breathless, he fell to the ground. The world went dark. Finally, the pressure loosened, and Danii knelt beside him, taking her Breath back from her items. The cloth around his neck went limp. And that was when the Healer surged up, grabbed Danii’s throat and slammed her against the wall. Useful thing, being a Time Lord. Having a respiratory bypass just meant he could hold his breath longer. Before Danii could say another word, The Healer stuffed her sash into her mouth. Spartacus looked steadily at Danii, who gazed back at him in frustration. Danii. a rabbit hopping out of her sleeve, sniffing the air Dimsari. He knew there had been something off about her! ugh He had NO time for this, he needed to make sure Sanis did not escape. He shoved Danii back again, hard. Growled a warning. “You are not forgiven for the massacre of that village. I will save Tiberius. Focus on saving yourself, for I will. Come. After you.” With that, he released her and stormed back down the hallway where Sanis had gone. Once again, I'm putting in a request to meet a Telemanus and a Lune. I need to talk to both of you. Currently, the only players I trust are Lopen, and Rae. Lopen, because so far his posts have all been clear, relevant, and most of the time, and like Rae said, he was distrusting of my plan at first. Rae because she has still been transparent with her merit and her blade. Maybe not so much with the Pulseshield, but that's understandable for now. I would still watch her, though. As for Stick and Sheep, they have roleclaimed to me, and I am willing to trust them for now that they are what they say they are, and not Forsworn. Assassin, Lady of Chaos, Jefry, Bard and Jondesu have not posted nearly enough to make me want to clear them. Good RP, Daniyah, but more discussion please? Current inactives seem to be Magestar, Bard and Straw. Well, hopefully Bard wins tomorrow. Are any of you going to buy items this round? I really hope I don't die tomorrow. I'm still enjoying the game so far, haha. 1
Amanuensis he/him Posted October 18, 2016 Author Posted October 18, 2016 Chapter 4 is being extended an extra 24 hours. The new turnover will occur on Wednesday, October 19th at 8PM EST. If anyone's interested, it's because the drummer for Slipknot just showed up at my work place and offered my coworkers and I free tickets to their concert tonight. Couldn't possibly say no, now could I? 6
Wonko the Sane he/him Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 And I just keep on being alive.
Magestar he/him Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 2 hours ago, Amanuensis said: If anyone's interested, it's because the drummer for Slipknot just showed up at my work place and offered my coworkers and I free tickets to their concert tonight. Couldn't possibly say no, now could I? That's awesome, and, best of all, it means I get to participate this cycle! Yay! Now, excuse me while I read over the thread and get my bearings.
Magestar he/him Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 (edited) On October 17, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Arraenae said: Magestar said that he didn't see a good reason not to vote on Bugsy, but he didn't vote anyways. He also tried to put suspicion on Elbereth. The second thing is something that could be done as either a faithful or a Foresworn, so not alignment indicative. However, the first is suspicious, now that we know Bugsy was a Foresworn. 1 I don't like D1 lynches. And I'm still suspicious of you, by the way. And, I'm not the only one who seems to be suspicious of you now. It's slightly odd that the most trusted villager not only did not trust you, but tried to kill you. I'm going to cheer for Bard, because I think we should kill someone who has been declared evil by a proven villager, and has said so themselves, but I think that if things were just a bit different I think I'd be accusing Rae. You haven't really even defended yourself from the accusations that have been made on you, which strikes me as odd. Also, you have pointed to the same two people as suspicious as the most trusted villager. And, the things I said earlier about you still apply as well. And, because the Julii plan is now basically disabled, I think it might be good to focus on our analysis of players. K. Now I'm basically done talking about Rae. On to other topics that have been discussed this cycle, and things that are important which have not. I would like to know who attacked Burnt? Rae says she did not, and it looks like there were two kills last cycle. So, we have a vigilante on our hands. Lovely. I hate vigilantes. I would like to continue discussing the things that have happened today, but it looks like there have been annoyingly few. With my absence, El's death, and the general quietness of the other players, there has been so little real discussion today. So, guys, even though we already have a Lynchee from last cycle, that does not mean that we should not talk. We have an additional 24 Hours, and we'll need to fill that up. Discuss! edit; Just realized I double posted. Sorry. I didn't think I'd put this together so fast. Edited October 18, 2016 by Magestar
Burnt Spaghetti she/her Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 1 hour ago, Magestar said: I don't like D1 lynches. And I'm still suspicious of you, by the way. And, I'm not the only one who seems to be suspicious of you now. It's slightly odd that the most trusted villager not only did not trust you, but tried to kill you. I'm going to cheer for Bard, because I think we should kill someone who has been declared evil by a proven villager, and has said so themselves, but I think that if things were just a bit different I think I'd be accusing Rae. You haven't really even defended yourself from the accusations that have been made on you, which strikes me as odd. Also, you have pointed to the same two people as suspicious as the most trusted villager. And, the things I said earlier about you still apply as well. And, because the Julii plan is now basically disabled, I think it might be good to focus on our analysis of players. K. Now I'm basically done talking about Rae. On to other topics that have been discussed this cycle, and things that are important which have not. I would like to know who attacked Burnt? Rae says she did not, and it looks like there were two kills last cycle. So, we have a vigilante on our hands. Lovely. I hate vigilantes. I would like to continue discussing the things that have happened today, but it looks like there have been annoyingly few. With my absence, El's death, and the general quietness of the other players, there has been so little real discussion today. So, guys, even though we already have a Lynchee from last cycle, that does not mean that we should not talk. We have an additional 24 Hours, and we'll need to fill that up. Discuss! Wait what? Sorry? Huh? O_o i don't remember being attacked.... And well, Elbereth was most probably attacked by a forsworn, and didnt her whisper thing say she'd attacked Rae?
Magestar he/him Posted October 18, 2016 Posted October 18, 2016 On October 16, 2016 at 9:52 PM, Amanuensis said: Nyanah was attacked, but survived! I forgot that Rae was Nyanah. I mixed up the Tia and Nyanah, for whatever reason. You weren't attacked, as far as I know. In that case, everyone forget what I said about a vigilante.
Jondesu he/him Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 You know, somehow I'd totally missed that it was Elbereth that tried to kill Rae. Rae's been gunning for me for a while, and now someone we know is clean says they didn't trust Rae, so I'm very suspicious of her. Does anyone have a way to try to clear or confirm her tonight? If not, I'll probably challenge her next cycle, since this cycle we've locked in on Wonko.
Arraenae Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 Magestar, I haven't defended myself from accusations because I had no access to the 17th Shard longer than five minutes since about 24 hours ago. However, now that you have mentioned them, I've gone back through this Cycle and looked. I don't know if I'll have the time to hunt down everything in the previous thread, so if somebody could link all of the accusations of last cycle, that would be really helpful. Elbereth: Quote I killed Rae, because I don't trust her. I trust Doctor, Lopen, jefry slightly, Burnt, probably Jondesu if Rae is evil. Slight distrust of Sheep, Magestar. And hey, it wasn't a gambit, Doc! Sound of her sticking her tongue out, since this is a voice message and thus emoticons don't work. See you all in victory, I hope. @Amanuensis, is the "Sound of her sticking her tongue out, since this is a voice message and thus emoticons don't work" something Elbereth typed in, or a replacement for an emoticon? Also, why is there a big blank space in the original message? Simple statement of distrust. There's no way for me to defend against it, since there is no analysis to defend against. Dani: Quote At the end of the previous cycle it does look like Rae tried to jump on Jondesu after my post about him Don't know what to make of Len's vote on him either and the way he asked Sheep to vote too. I posted that analysis of Jondesu before I'd read your post. Of course, anybody could claim that, regardless of alignment, but that's what happened. If you independently reached the same conclusion that I did, it probably means that our conclusions might have some merit. I'm actually rather curious why your first thought was "she's copying what I said, so she must be a Foresworn" instead of "hey, someone else thought the same thing too!". Lopen: Quote Rae - I believe Elbereth was suspicious of Rae and attacked her for her Dueling Bugsy. Might sound a bit strange, but given the lynch on Bugsy was just soeasy, it appears that the eliminators weren't terribly concerned with him dying, especially with the way he seemed to go down so easy as well. So what I think, and what I think Elbereth thought, was that Bugsy was in a bit of trouble, so the Forsworn decided to just bus him to gain trust since he was most likely a goner anyway. Plus, by initiating the Duel, Rae got a lot of his Merit and his ionBlade. So that's the basis of my suspicion on Rae. It's also possible that I, a Faithful, noticed that Bugsy had done some weird things yesterday and wanted to confront him with it. Then, when almost no other duels manifested and nobody argued in his favor, I felt uneasy and considered retracting the duel. However, I ultimately decided to go with my initial gut read on Bugsy and didn't retract the duel, which lead to a Foresworn's death. There's nothing I can say about your analysis -- with the information that you have, it's possible that that's what happened. The Foresworn might have decided that C2, they were going to bus their own teammate -- a Bellona, who late game could have been a fountain of items. You and I used the same strategy in QF12. However, even then you and Kipper waited until mid to late game to bus me. What is more likely -- that the Foresworn decided upon the tactically unsound route of bussing a teammate C2, or that I, a villager, accused Bugsy and the other Foresworn decided upon the tactically sound route of letting the doomed die and not needlessly linking themselves to him? Quote I'm going to cheer for Bard, because I think we should kill someone who has been declared evil by a proven villager, and has said so themselves, but I think that if things were just a bit different I think I'd be accusing Rae. You haven't really even defended yourself from the accusations that have been made on you, which strikes me as odd. Also, you have pointed to the same two people as suspicious as the most trusted villager. And, the things I said earlier about you still apply as well. And, because the Julii plan is now basically disabled, I think it might be good to focus on our analysis of players. Let's assume for a moment that confirmed good is confirmed right. If you claim that I am a Foresworn because Elbereth was suspicious of me, you must take that claim to its logical suspicion: you are a Foresworn too. Why? Elbereth mentioned that she was suspicious of Sheep, you, and me. Thus, Sheep, you, and I must all be Foresworn. Of course, then you could say that Elbereth being suspicious of me makes it more likely that I am a Foresworn, and backed up with your suspicions, this is enough to make it very likely that I am a Foresworn. Of course, then I would say that Elbereth being suspicious of you makes it [more likely[/i] that you are a Foresworn, and backed up with my suspicions, this is enough to make it very likely that you are a Foresworn. Additionally, if you trust Elbereth's reads so much, you should also trust that Sheep is a Foresworn too. Shouldn't you be more confident that Sheep is a Foresworn if I, a fellow player, have similar reads to what Elbereth has said? But wait, I might be a Foresworn! My reads count for nothing! In that case, you ought to be more confident that Sheep is a villager, because I doubt the Foresworn would have a teammate cast suspicion on another teammate, if Sheep and I are indeed teammates. One Foresworn is already dead (Bugsy) and the other is on the brink of death (Wonko). If you assume that I am a Foresworn, then that would be yet another teammate that is under suspicion, which makes it even more unlikely that the Foresworn would have one of their own cast suspicion on themselves. Or we could go with the simpler explanation, which is that Sheep and I are not both Foresworn at once, because they won't serve themselves to the village on a silver platter. However, if I am a Foresworn and if Sheep is a villager, that would mean that one of Elbereth's reads is wrong. And then the assumption that confirmed good is confirmed right cannot be true. Thus, your points cannot stand, for they are all based off of the very wrong assumption that confirmed good is confirmed right. PS: On the subject on finding the same people suspicious that a confirmed villager found suspicious, look at what I said in response to Daniyah.
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 12 hours ago, Amanuensis said: Chapter 4 is being extended an extra 24 hours. The new turnover will occur on Wednesday, October 19th at 8PM EST. If anyone's interested, it's because the drummer for Slipknot just showed up at my work place and offered my coworkers and I free tickets to their concert tonight. Couldn't possibly say no, now could I? No way! That's insane man!
Young Bard he/him Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 Thanks everyone for bearing with me while I was ridiculously inactive. I should be less so due to RL stuff now. Now I'll just be bogged down with LG27 instead... Alright, I'll post a list of my trusts suspicions, in rough order of most to least trusted. Doc - 90 - Proposed the Julii plan, has been trying to encourage discussion, and I've been getting a village gut read from them this entire game. The only player I know that could do what Doc's doing now so effectively and still be an eliminator is Aman, and he's GM'ing. Just a note - I'm against this turning into a follow the mayor game, not that it's happened that way so far. Just because Doc is a Villager does not automatically make him right on every issue. Rae - 60 - Started the lynch on Bugsy (there's some controversy about surviving Elbereth's attack, but confirmed good does not mean confirmed right, and I don't really think it's too much more likely that a villager has a pulseShield than an Eliminator, particularly if we accept the fact that Wonko also had one.) Jondesu - 48 - Rae raises some valid points, but if they are an Eliminator, they're doing a better job of it then I did my first time (or my second, for that matter)... In addition, they're new, so I'd like to see a little more of them before I judge them, and also allow them to get to know the game for themselves. Sheep - 48 - Has suspicions about me, but chooses to confront me about them in PM's, not in the thread. It could be innocent - a reprieve he's trying to give me from facing all of you, or it could be an Eliminator testing the water to see if he can find his fellows, or trying not to post suspicions in thread for fear they'll later want to present a contradictory opinion in the thread. Magestar - 47 - This sentence in particular struck me - maybe it's because Mage was trying to articulate something for the benefit of the GM (I've been a victim of that in PM's with Sheep ): 10 hours ago, Magestar said: I'm going to cheer for Bard, because I think we should kill someone who has been declared evil by a proven villager, and has said so themselves It just seems... odd, and slightly strange to me. It seems like you're voting for me because it's what you would do as a Villager than because you are one. Burnt - 45 - They're posting very little (which, I know, is not something I can really call someone out on, but bear with me... ), and when they do post, it's mainly RP. Then, when someone mentions them, they respond fairly quickly, so it seems like they're lurking. Dankness - 35 - I've been getting weird vibes from him for most of the game. Claimed Fabii for no apparent reason to the thread C1 (Interestingly, he guessed at the demographic, and he amusingly suggested that the Elim team would have 1 or 2 Fabii ) Then, he asks to take the lynch on Wonko because he's saving up for a pulseShield. The main advantage of a pulseShield over a jamField is that pulseShield's protect from the lynch - both protect from ionBlades, IIRC, and jamFields are much cheaper. Why get a pulseShield instead of a jamField? An Eliminator, worried you're going to get lynched? Or are you just saving up to by an extra ionBlade, or else try to retrieve one from Wonko? I dunno, maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I'm trying to find a reason to explain my bad vibes about him. Wonko - 0 - If you don't know why Wonko's here, you need to pay better attention In reply to me trying to lynch someone else over Bugsy - What can I say... I got it wrong... I wasn't particularly suspicious of Bugsy at the time, and I had a theory as to why there was no Eliminator Kill that Cycle that I acted on. By the way, shouldn't Straw be dead right now from lack of Merit? Or did I mistake what getting negative Merit does?
Burnt Spaghetti she/her Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 1 hour ago, The Young Bard said: Burnt - 45 - They're posting very little (which, I know, is not something I can really call someone out on, but bear with me... ), and when they do post, it's mainly RP. Then, when someone mentions them, they respond fairly quickly, so it seems like they're lurking. Seems like im lurking? No no, i am lurking. Im always lurking. I'm a typical lurker like all the time you can trust that im generally always keeping up with the thread, just that when it comes to posting, i typically keep my thoughts to myself, or i talk to people about it in pms. But yes, poke me in thread and i will respond. Generally guaranteed, unless im asleep or actually busy.
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 On 18/10/2016 at 6:23 AM, Arraenae said: Magestar said that he didn't see a good reason not to vote on Bugsy, but he didn't vote anyways. He also tried to put suspicion on Elbereth. The second thing is something that could be done as either a faithful or a Foresworn, so not alignment indicative. However, the first is suspicious, now that we know Bugsy was a Foresworn. I said that I thought there wasn't enough reason as well. And I ended up being wrong too. 1 hour ago, The Young Bard said: I've been getting weird vibes from him for most of the game. Claimed Fabii for no apparent reason to the thread C1 (Interestingly, he guessed at the demographic, and he amusingly suggested that the Elim team would have 1 or 2 Fabii ) Then, he asks to take the lynch on Wonko because he's saving up for a pulseShield. The main advantage of a pulseShield over a jamField is that pulseShield's protect from the lynch - both protect from ionBlades, IIRC, and jamFields are much cheaper. Why get a pulseShield instead of a jamField? An Eliminator, worried you're going to get lynched? Or are you just saving up to by an extra ionBlade, or else try to retrieve one from Wonko? I dunno, maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I'm trying to find a reason to explain my bad vibes about him. I claimed Fabii C3. And I wanted the pulse-shield as, being a Fabii with the ability to vote manip, my abilities could be dangerous for the Elims. Just like you have, they could use the same arguments to start a lynch against me. I don't need an ionblade as I have no intentions to kill anyone. I claimed Fabii because, admittedly stupidly, I asked Aman in game thread if a Fabii would be able to make Wonko cheer Elbereth. Then I made Wonko cheer Elbereth XD -------------------------------------- @Elenion, hadn't had time to RP soz. Khazad walked in....a bit late to all the drama, and yet he...Pierce didn't know how to describe it. He had a way of not being, well, missed, by anyone, no matter how conspicous it was. He was just there. Oh, so now he approaches me Pierce thought darkly, as Khazad walked up to him "Hey Pierce, I haven't seen you in weeks. When did you get here?" Pierce looked at him. Looked at him for a good long time. Then he scoffed, got up shaking his head, muttering "unbelievable", under his breath, then walked around Lumina's corpse with a shudder and sat down on the other side of the table. Khazad looked at the corpse with mild surprise, "huh, has that always been here?" He then went and followed Pierce to the other side, and asked "so....what did I miss?" "Alot of things Khazad, notably my hints," Pierce grumbled to him, although he couldn't help but smile, and so grudgingly filled Khazad in. Everyone else had overcome their shock at what had happened and the room quickly emptied. Khazad and Pierce just sat there, Khazad digesting everything at his infernally slow pace, and Pierce merely thinking things over.m A moment passed, then Pierce got up suddenly and made for the door. He stopped then looked back, "Oi, Khazad, are you going to come with me? We have a murder to catch". Khazad merely nodded and got up, walking with Pierce out of the War-Room. If it wasn't a wasn't a War-Room before, then it's certainly one now
Magestar he/him Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 8 hours ago, Arraenae said: Let's assume for a moment that confirmed good is confirmed right. I have a problem with this statement. I'll get to that when I respond to the rest of your post, which strikes me as somewhat overreactive. 8 hours ago, Arraenae said: If you claim that I am a Foresworn because Elbereth was suspicious of me, you must take that claim to its logical suspicion: you are a Foresworn too. Why? Elbereth mentioned that she was suspicious of Sheep, you, and me. Thus, Sheep, you, and I must all be Foresworn. Of course, then you could say that Elbereth being suspicious of me makes it more likely that I am a Foresworn, and backed up with your suspicions, this is enough to make it very likely that I am a Foresworn. Of course, then I would say that Elbereth being suspicious of you makes it [more likely[/i] that you are a Foresworn, and backed up with my suspicions, this is enough to make it very likely that you are a Foresworn. Additionally, if you trust Elbereth's reads so much, you should also trust that Sheep is a Foresworn too. Shouldn't you be more confident that Sheep is a Foresworn if I, a fellow player, have similar reads to what Elbereth has said? But wait, I might be a Foresworn! My reads count for nothing! In that case, you ought to be more confident that Sheep is a villager, because I doubt the Foresworn would have a teammate cast suspicion on another teammate, if Sheep and I are indeed teammates. One Foresworn is already dead (Bugsy) and the other is on the brink of death (Wonko). If you assume that I am a Foresworn, then that would be yet another teammate that is under suspicion, which makes it even more unlikely that the Foresworn would have one of their own cast suspicion on themselves. Or we could go with the simpler explanation, which is that Sheep and I are not both Foresworn at once, because they won't serve themselves to the village on a silver platter. However, if I am a Foresworn and if Sheep is a villager, that would mean that one of Elbereth's reads is wrong. And then the assumption that confirmed good is confirmed right cannot be true. Thus, your points cannot stand, for they are all based off of the very wrong assumption that confirmed good is confirmed right. Paragraph 1: The basis of this paragraph seems to be that I am basically hopping off of the 'confirmed village is confirmed right' wagon onto a 'lynch Rae' wagon. This is not what has happened. The main subject of my suspicions of you have been what I said cycle two and one. The lynch of Bugsy seemed really odd, and your statements about it seemed off. Then later, you still did not defend yourself, and my suspicions increased when other people said they have been getting similar vibes. This on top of a bad gut read combined with some creepy analysis. You still did not respond. You've dealt with that part of my suspicions to some extent now, however, the bad read is still there. And, you jumped onto not one, but both of Elbereths suspicions. (Besides yours, of course.) I merely expounded on my bad read of you, following someone who I personally trust, trying to kill you. That doesn't look good, let me tell you. Paragraph 2: I don't have a bad read on Sheep. As said in my previous statements, I pointed to you, because someone that I trust, after having been confirmed – By death! – to be a villager, tried to kill you. I've had bad feelings from the start, but that made it worse. I'm now paranoid because you have an ionBlade, which you did not use, and because I still don't have a real protection item. Paragraph 3: Like I said, I'm rather annoyed with you for taking the stance that I'm making confirmed good confirmed right. I'm not, I'm just taking the word of someone I trust, along with the data I've compiled, to try and find lynchees for next cycle, because I'm pretty sure we no longer have a scanner. I'm making discussion, which is working, and I've gotten you to make more posts to analyze. And finally, if you want more points against you, say so. I can call them up from previous cycles, and give you whats still in my head. 2 hours ago, The Young Bard said: Magestar - 47 - This sentence in particular struck me - maybe it's because Mage was trying to articulate something for the benefit of the GM (I've been a victim of that in PM's with Sheep ): 2 I'm not going to say whether or not I was trying to articulate something to the GM, because I'm not entirely sure what you mean. One part of that sentence was clarifying to Rae that the only reason I'm not accusing her is because I think that we should kill the target from last cycle. I think Wonko needs to die, so I'm cheering you instead of randomly starting another duel. It doesn't make sense. That's part of what I was saying. I also would like to see a little more of Jondesu, but that's true of most of the just-RP'ers. I wish we had a little more discussion, as I said in my earlier post. I have brought up things to talk about, I think, but I'll do it more later. I won't be back on for a few more hours, and I don't have time to continue RN.
Dani she/her Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 9 hours ago, Arraenae said: I posted that analysis of Jondesu before I'd read your post. Of course, anybody could claim that, regardless of alignment, but that's what happened. If you independently reached the same conclusion that I did, it probably means that our conclusions might have some merit. I'm actually rather curious why your first thought was "she's copying what I said, so she must be a Foresworn" instead of "hey, someone else thought the same thing too!". That wasn't my first thought. I had already stated my suspicion on you (which is similar to what Lopen said) to someone in a PM (and they still haven't responded to it :/ ) before you posted that analysis of Jondesu. And I also had a slight suspicion on Jondesu. But after that post of yours, and Jondesu's: 11 hours ago, Jondesu said: You know, somehow I'd totally missed that it was Elbereth that tried to kill Rae. Rae's been gunning for me for a while, and now someone we know is clean says they didn't trust Rae, so I'm very suspicious of her. Does anyone have a way to try to clear or confirm her tonight? If not, I'll probably challenge her next cycle, since this cycle we've locked in on Wonko. I think it clears it that at least one of you is a villager. Like, if Jondesu does challenge you next cycle I wouldn't know how to cheer for (probably for Jondesu, but not sure at all).
Doc12 Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 I guess I'm going to round up my reads so far and post them here before I go to sleep. Yknow, reading lynch patterns aren't really helping so far, are they? So far we have had two eliminators up, with no alternatives being offered up at all. Hopefully by next cycle, without a clear eliminator target, there might be more than one ongoing duel, and we can make more sense of the voting patterns. Who I trust for now - Lopen: - Daniyah: - Burnt. - Rae - Sheep I have PMs with all the above people, and so far they have been nothing but frank, and I am willing to trust them for now. Rae in particular has been transparent both in the thread and out, in terms of her Merit and her Ionblades. Daniyah has been helping me in regards to the players i haven't PMed but she has. Lopen suggests strategies with me. I consider them trustworthy, but of course, feel free to make your own reads. Again, confirmed good is not confirmed right. Who I'm watching - Darkness There's just something off about you, I feel. Yes, it might be your playstyle, which is jarring to me, the fact that you're just a generally chaotic player, what with role claiming day 1 and all. You have also switched Wonko's vote, which might be a good sign, but it doesn't really mean much when we all know Wonko is evil. I'm just watching you for now. Make a PM with me if you want to talk, or I'll make one. I'll see if I can spare the Merit. - Bard Same goes to you, Bard. the way you challenged Wonko so fast doesn't clear you from being Forsworn. Yes, you have role claimed to me, yes, I trust you a little because of that frankness. But I would still watch you. You understand, of course? I'm glad to see you're participating more, though, it'll give me a good way to readjust my reads on you Who I want to see more of - Jefry - Chaos - Stick - Jondesu - Assassin - Straw - Living Legend And yes, Stick and Jondesu, you two have started contributing more, and I'm really happy for it. I'd like you two to know I am willing to trust you two for now, and I hope you can continue to post more so I can readjust my reads. Chaos, Jefry, your Rp is sweet and all, but please start being more active in PMs and discussion, okay? Assassin, you're like Burnt, I think. You lurk. That might be your playstyle, I understand if it is. However, as you can see, even Burnt has begun to contribute more than just RP, so I hope you do the same, okay? As for Straw and Legend...well, not too sure. Legend has popped in once for some Rp, and Straw says he won't be participating much. So...yeah/
Jondesu he/him Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 (edited) Thanks, Doc and Dani, I do need to contribute more, but I've only had the energy to RP mostly. Trying to adjust that now. :-) I've got a good read right now on Dani, and Doc's been fairly well cleared pretty much since the beginning. Looking over the list of players again, I think there's been a decent number of inactives this past cycle that I'm mildly suspicious of, but I just don't have much to go on. I passed on one reveal privately, so if the person I told wants to confirm they can, but I'd prefer it stays private for now. Edit: anyone want to play off my RP earlier, btw? Edited October 19, 2016 by Jondesu
Magestar he/him Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 1 hour ago, Doctor12 said: Who I trust for now - Lopen: - Daniyah: - Burnt. - Rae - Sheep 1 hour ago, Doctor12 said: Who I'm watching - Darkness -Bard 1 hour ago, Doctor12 said: Who I want to see more of - Jefry - Chaos - Stick - Jondesu - Assassin - Straw - Living Legend I'm not sure what to think of the fact that I'm on none of these lists. I don't exist anymore, guys. Well, I suppose I had better make one of these lists. They seem to be the in thing. Brown-Piercing: Some odd vibes. Haven't really payed much attention to them, TBH, but they seem to be one of the people who are just posting RP, although they have answered the call to discuss, and have said a few things. Honestly, I tend to have some trouble reading DA. Danii: I have some good reads on Danish, for a few reasons, Spartacus: I've been very happy with Doc this game. One of my most trusted reads, everything seems to be pointing towards them being good. In my most paranoid moments, I wonder if he set it up with Bugsy to reveal that as a soft-clear, but it seems stretched. Everything that Doc has done has been helpful to the village. The Jackal: Basically just RP. I've had gut reads towards village, but they are pretty neutral RN, between everything he has done. Lucius: Best guy ever. Trust always. He's so cool. Sanis: Pretty obviously Elim. I want him dead right now, so I can move on to other things. Quintus: As far as Jondesu goes, I have extremely strong, violent readings of... meh. I've had some really conflicting reads here, but I'm taking it as some newbie stuff going on. He's mostly taken advice from people on how to play, RPed a bit, and seems like he's trying to be helpful(?) Done some slightly off things, but mostly a meh reading. Nirgal: Sheep seems to be acting pretty much as he has in previous games I've played with him, but he's been somewhat quiet. I think I'm getting village, but he tends to stay pretty neutral whatever alignment he has. Stick: ??? I don't remember anything they've done. Off my radar entirely, be that as it may. Tenebrum: Khazad: Has been oddly quiet for how he usually plays. However, when I've checked, he's been off the shard entirely for long periods, so I assume RL stuff. Neutral read. Gregor: Pretty quiet, but no RP. Some posts on game related stuff, mostly a neutral read, a little bad gut read. Priam: Lopen has been accused of being quiet already, and that (supposedly?) is a bit of an Elim tell for him, but I haven't played with him enough. Seems ok besides that. Tia: Vaguely bad readings. I wouldn't mind lynching her, but don't feel strongly enough start it this or next cycle. Nyanah: My reads on Rae have been clearly stated. Jefry: Mostly RP. Some interesting discussion. Fairly good read. I've not put LivingLegend or Straw on this list because they both are quiet because of RL reasons. I don't think it's right to put reads on them.
Arraenae Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 Because of a lack of computer access around rollover, I am closing the ionblade lynch. @Magestar, if you could compile that list of points, that would be very helpful. Hunting down points from a school computer is kind of stressful. I'm on for another 20 minutes, so if you want a response today please put them on here soon.
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 2 minutes ago, Magestar said: Honestly, I tend to have some trouble reading DA. I'm special And @Doctor12 I'll make a PM with you, not like I'm using the merit. Would saying that I only have two PMs, both opened by someone else clear me of suspicion? Seeing as I would have to be in the PM chain to be Forsworn. The one I'm opening with Doctor is the first I'm opening. The other two are people randomly opening PMs with me for information, which I don't have, beyond me being Faithful. I told them I was dropped on my head after birth instead (ooh, rhyme). Feel free to ask me anything Doctor, I sorta trust you seeing as there's a 50/50 chance you might be Forsworn, because I've never seen you play as an Elim, so I don't know what to look out for.
Arraenae Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 1 minute ago, Dankness Ascendant said: I'm special And @Doctor12 I'll make a PM with you, not like I'm using the merit. Would saying that I only have two PMs, both opened by someone else clear me of suspicion? Seeing as I would have to be in the PM chain to be Forsworn. The one I'm opening with Doctor is the first I'm opening. The other two are people randomly opening PMs with me for information, which I don't have, beyond me being Faithful. I told them I was dropped on my head after birth instead (ooh, rhyme). Feel free to ask me anything Doctor, I sorta trust you seeing as there's a 50/50 chance you might be Forsworn, because I've never seen you play as an Elim, so I don't know what to look out for. Unfortunately, saying that you only have 2 PMs isn't enough to clear you. Anybody, Faithful or Foresworn, can claim to only have a certain number of PMs. Your claim itself isn't alignment indicative unless it is verified and found either true or false, and thus doesn't clear you.
Magestar he/him Posted October 19, 2016 Posted October 19, 2016 The vote on Bugsy seemed like bussing a fellow Elim early on. Then, when everyone jumped on with you, it would have been hard to get off. So you just stayed on, and soft-cleared yourself. When I accused you of this, you did not respond. When more people did the same, you still did not respond, however, you did post other things. You say it was because you were not on much, but I don't know. You did post things after I said that. Maybe you missed it? Still a bad gut read, plus initial suspicions. You mostly (until recently, after I pointed it out) just posted RP, and stated that you thought Lopen was being quiet because he was an elim, because he had not posted a lot. I think this was maybe the first or second cycle, so that seemed odd to me. You said a few other game related things, but they seemed to just be questioning the Julii plan once, and that was really it. You said you would kill Wonko with an ionBlade, so we could lynch someone else. I thought this was an OK idea at the time, but if you were an Elim, you could just have easily not done anything and claimed role blocked. We never really got to see what happened there, but you pushed for a second kill, which seemed odd, but that never happened either. Just an odd turn of events. Elbereth tried to kill you. I trust Elbereths judgement, usually, so this was big for me. I know confirmed good does not mean confirmed right, but it's just another piece of this analysis. Doc, Burnt and I all stated you seemed trigger happy yesterday. Apparently not, because you did not end up making a kill, but maybe you were just trying to draw attention to yourself? That seems somewhat village, but I still am wary of you RN. Plus, you jumped on Jondesu, and so did Elenion, which was really odd. Trigger happy, again. Looking for someone to kill. You sort of overreacted to my statement of suspicion on you, which was odd, but I'm willing to let that pass because I did that in a couple of games. A few people have agreed with me. When people agree with my suspicions, I tend to feel more confident. That's why I've kept going on this, at least in part. I think that's it. There might be more, but I'm not sure. I'll try to get some RP done later.
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