Farnsworth Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 If Shallan is a Lightweaver, then her Order's color is red, just as the Windrunner's color is blue. In the image of the Knights Radient, which I attatched, it shows all the colors. If Kaladin got red eyes at the end of WoR, then at some point, Shallan should be getting red eyes. If it becomes a known thing (which it might be among the Ghostbloods) that Voidbringers have red eyes, this could be a serious problem.
If.you.die.I.go.stupid Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 She is a step further on the KR path than Kaladin. If her eyes are going to turn red, it should have happened already. Though she does have Parshendi ancestry. If that becomes known it could cause trouble for her and maybe an identity crisis or something.
PantsForSquares he/him Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) 24 minutes ago, If.you.die.I.go.stupid said: She is a step further on the KR path than Kaladin. If her eyes are going to turn red, it should have happened already. Though she does have Parshendi ancestry. If that becomes known it could cause trouble for her and maybe an identity crisis or something. I'm not sure where you're getting the Parshendi ancestry bit from. Horneaters are descended from Parshendi, and also have red hair, but I'm pretty sure that they're not related to people of Veden ethnicity. Edited September 27, 2016 by PantsForSquares
If.you.die.I.go.stupid Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 14 minutes ago, PantsForSquares said: I'm not sure where you're getting the Parshendi ancestry bit from. Horneaters are descended from Parshendi, and also have red hair, but I'm pretty sure that they're not related to people of Veden ethnicity. Shallan POV Quote “As womanhood had begun to come upon her, she had learned that she should be embarrassed by her red hair and freckled skin, as they were a mark of an impure heritage. They were traditional Veden colorings, but that was because—in their past—their lines had mixed with the Horneaters up in the peaks.” Excerpt From: Brandon Sanderson. “Words of Radiance.” I think Rock also points out that her hair means they are related, but the only quote I can find is him calling her cousin. Quote “What are we looking for, cousin?” asked Rock, one of the bridgemen. Cousin, she thought. Cute. Because of the red hair. ” Excerpt From: Brandon Sanderson. “Words of Radiance.” I'm pretty sure there is a quote prior to this on in WoR where rock says her hair means they are related, but I'm not finding it with search
Yata he/him Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 I have just to say that Red are not Lightweavers' color...It's the Dustbringer color (and indeed this caused a lot of trouble to them in the past both for their apparence and their name) 1
nervousnerd he/him Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 Do we know that order color affects anything but plate color? I had always assumed it was similar to (or maybe even caused by) the glyphs on the armor that denote order. Wouldn't there be people still living who had red eyes now though? I guess maybe the dead blades couldn't cause that color change for some reason but I can't imagine how. I was under the impression that light eyes (of any color) in a radiant are caused by continued use of stormlight. When held in in large amounts it can cause the eyes to look almost white. Stormlight itself doesn't necessarily have a color though, does it? 1
Darkness Ascendant he/him Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 Plate colour? It's always slate grey. People just decide to paint them 1
kenod Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 I think he means the colour of the glyphs on the plate. With true Radiants the plate glyphs glow in the colour associated with the order.
Yata he/him Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) On 27/9/2016 at 10:38 AM, nervousnerd said: Wouldn't there be people still living who had red eyes now though? I guess maybe the dead blades couldn't cause that color change for some reason but I can't imagine how. I was under the impression that light eyes (of any color) in a radiant are caused by continued use of stormlight. When held in in large amounts it can cause the eyes to look almost white. Stormlight itself doesn't necessarily have a color though, does it? Actually the only two Istances showed of "massive amount of Stormlight" user are both with Windrunner's power. And both of them's eyes become Pale blu (Windrunner's color).....This effect would be more noticable on a Darkeyes like Kaladin rather than a Lighteyes like Shallan. We have to see Moash's eyes in the next books but you made me come to an idea...IF the reason of no Red Eyes in the popolation is simply because there aren't Dustbringer's Deadblade around to bound ? This may be a great clue about "Dustbringer order is the order who didn't take part to the Recreance" Edited November 2, 2016 by Yata 3
Left he/him Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Yata said: Actually the only two Istance showed of "massive amount of Stormlight" user are both with Windrunner's power. And both of then's eyes become Pale blu (Windrunner's color).....This effect would be more noticable on a Darkeyes like Kaladin rather than a Lighteyes like Shallan. We have to see Moash's eyes in the next books but you made me come to an idea...IF the reason of no Red Eyes in the popolation is simply because there aren't Dustbringer's Deadblade around to bound ? This may be a great clue about "Dustbringer order is the order who didn't take part to the Recreance" As soon as I read that post I thought the same thing!! This is the best idea/theory I've seen in months
Yata he/him Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 12 hours ago, Figberts said: If Kaladin got red eyes at the end of WoR, then at some point, Shallan should be getting red eyes. Kal in the end of WoR have Blu eyes "more pales than every king" (not exactly wording because my book isn't in english)
A Secret Corner he/him Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 5 hours ago, Yata said: Actually the only two Istance showed of "massive amount of Stormlight" user are both with Windrunner's power. And both of them's eyes become Pale blu (Windrunner's color).....This effect would be more noticable on a Darkeyes like Kaladin rather than a Lighteyes like Shallan. We have to see Moash's eyes in the next books but you made me come to an idea...IF the reason of no Red Eyes in the popolation is simply because there aren't Dustbringer's Deadblade around to bound ? This may be a great clue about "Dustbringer order is the order who didn't take part to the Recreance" It is most certainly a possibility. If you remember Talenelat-Elin was bound to the oathpact... the others having left the oathpact might of had an effect on their orders perhaps... eventually... I'll have to work that one out later though; I don't have much time right now.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 Talenel was the head of the stonewards though, not the dustbringers. Anyway, I'm not sure we can conclude that a shardblade will make someone's eyes match the associated color of the order of radiants... We haven't seen enough to know this. At any rate, it would be very interesting to see what happens if we get a red-eyed dustbringer showing up. Given that now a great portion of the Alethi army has now had experience with glowing red eyes and what those mean... I suspect more than just the ghostbloods would have a problem with this.
The Sovereign Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 (edited) 12 hours ago, Yata said: I have just to say that Red are not Lightweavers' color...It's the Dustbringer color (and indeed this caused a lot of trouble to them in the past both for their apparence and their name) @Yata Your are correct, their color is Garnet, not red.I think the confusion here is a result of Garnet being equivocated to Red. Garnet is really more of a Brownish red color. Quote Chapter 72: Selfish Reasons: Kaladin stared at the glistening length of metal, which dripped with condensation from its summoning. It glowed softly the color of garnet along several faint lines down its length. Edited September 27, 2016 by Iron Eyes
nervousnerd he/him Posted September 27, 2016 Posted September 27, 2016 Well then, that confirms that blades and armor will likely be the same color. I'm still not sure about the eyes though. I suppose it would be an interesting conflict but many people kind of already have a conflict with the Radiants due to the Recreance. Maybe it would be more useful as a way to pit certain orders against one another instead.
Garglemesh he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 13 hours ago, Yata said: We have to see Moash's eyes in the next books but you made me come to an idea...IF the reason of no Red Eyes in the popolation is simply because there aren't Dustbringer's Deadblade around to bound ? This may be a great clue about "Dustbringer order is the order who didn't take part to the Recreance" While I love this theory and think it could be a great clue, there's a few other explanations. The number of blades known to the world is a mere fraction of the number of Radiants at the Recreance. It isn't outrageous to think some organization like the Hierarchy ferreted the Dustbringer blades away due to their unnerving effect on the eyes. Then there's your more recent point that at least living blades/honorblades give a far more profound coloring effect than those seen in your typical lighteyes. I'm still fuzzy, and shed light if light you have, on how the coloring works on people. Moash's eyes were changing, that we know. Is it a permanent change? I feel like we know that Kaladin's eyes change back to dark after not using the blade for a while, from the sneak peek at Oathbringer. Do the eyes change a particular color? Or do they (Elantris spoiler inc) Spoiler only do a partial change a la incomplete Shaod? 1
Yata he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 (edited) Yes @Garglemesh was just an hypotesis. Anyway the "turning eyes light" works differently from Radiant and Shardbearer.....Kel for example gains lighter eyes only when He is actually managing a lot of Investiture (Helding the Blade or with a Massive Stormlight usage) while Moash have a constant lightening of his eyes. Much more we know many (if not all) the Lighteyes are offspring of "people with magical eye color change"(Radiant but possible also Shardbearer) that would be a third way of magical eye color change. It's the reason I said we have to wait further books to discover if Darkeyes Shardbearer recive an actual change of their eye's color or simply an lightening PS: It's possible the Hierarchy hidden some Shardblades but the Hierarchy is actually "recent history" there would be a lot of red-lighteyes on Roshar. Of course it's possible that the Dustbringer broke their Oaths (and left their Shards) where nobody can't retrive them...maybe because they know how their Order and their eyes were treat from the Popolation/Vorinism Edited September 28, 2016 by Yata
Argent he/him Posted September 28, 2016 Posted September 28, 2016 I've asked Brandon similar questions on a couple of occasions, and the short version of his replies (because I am not a nice person and cannot be bothered to find the appropriate WoBs!) is: Yes, Shallan's - and any Lightweaver's - eyes would change color to match her Order's color, i.e. garnet. It wouldn't be as noticeable in Shallan because her light eyes make it more difficult for such effect to be noticed. This WoB might be an interesting one to find so we can get the details, but I am pretty sure that was the gist of it. 2
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