TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Okay, so most players have been on very recently, with DC being the exception. He was last online around 10 hours ago I think? Sorry, I was gonna do it earlier, but I've been busy with stuff sorta... >> SilverDragon was on just before rollover but didn't post. SD, how come you're not talking?
Young Bard he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Master Elodin: Xailen Dava C1 (claimed no item) TheOnlyJoe: Joseph C1 (claimed no item) I phattemer: ExisaCrewmember Mailliw: Ialim C1 (claimed no item) Cloudjumper: Lark C1 (claimed no item) Conquestor: Lorien winter devotion: Kae and Cleo I TheMarvelousLopen: Lopen C1 (assuming winter confirms) I Elbereth: Crepuscula C1 Sart: Sam Trudite Mckeedee123: Mekel Moss C1 (wanted to see if the system worked) K TheYoungBard: Yon C1 (missed rollover) I Zas678: Zas C1 (claimed no item) Deathclutch19: Sir Ulrich von Liechtenstein I Bugsy6912: Beckett C1 (assuming DC confirms) TheSilverDragon: Peter Amanuensis: InnocentMutineer Key: C1 = passed an item, couldn't have committed the kill C1 = didn't pass an item, could have committed the kill I = Has an item this current cycle (K, V, and S represent the Knife, Vote Manip/Intoxicant, and Silver Powder Respectively, if specified) Bold = Anyone who is confirmed to have an item the previous turn but didn't pass it. Edited June 13, 2016 by The Young Bard
Mckeedee123 he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 You probably just made yourself a target for the eliminators there. I'm fine with that risk. Listing out the items makes it considerably more difficult to manipulate the system, though I suppose the effectiveness of it is highly dependent upon how many items there actually are. If there are only 6, we have a problem.
Elbereth she/her Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Yes they can. They can use it on the person they're supposed to pass the item to. Then they claim they passed the item and that somebody else killed them.Ripple, will eliminator kills and Knife kills be differentiated in the writeups?Bah. I suppose that's true. But now that you've mentioned it, we'll be looking for it. At least one person will know that they had a knife and were passing it to whoever they kill. It won't result in immediate lynching, perhaps, but that's certainly reason enough for high suspicion (and potentially shade inspection, at least). Yes, but that means we're perpetually going to have the same people without items, and are going to be unable to prove themselves otherwise, until we pick them off. This way, if someone has an item, and doesn't pass it on, they're placed under suspicion. That's true. But if we don't have the same people without items, then whoever on the eliminator team is currently without an item would just be the one to do the kill. Which is completely useless. Thing is, we can't count on the eliminators not passing items. Of course they will! The first priority for them is to appear to be villagers. Silver dust and knives are really useful, yes. But not as useful as appearing cleared. The point of this plan isn't to make eliminators reveal by not passing items - there aren't enough items that we know of to have any chance of success in forcing them to not pass in order to kill, and in that scenario they probably wouldn't kill. It's to make sure a set amount of people (same number as there are items) are not using the kill. Which we can't do if someone different is passing every night. Ah. More idiocy on my part. I assumed that was an integral part of the plan. I guess that means that knives aren't as much of a threat to the consistency of the information as I thought. And since I think this is a good idea, and it's gained enough momentum to be feasible, Mckeedee will give his knife to Sart this round. I'm... really not sure why you claimed the knife. I mean, it is useful information, I suppose. But I highly recommend that no one else reveal what specific items they're passing. What the item is doesn't matter for the purposes of the plan. And in all probability a villager will know what that item is within a couple of cycles as it passes hands, anyway. Right. It's entirely possible that I won't be on again until after turnover except a very brief period of time seven hours from now or so. Sorry I can't help coordinate more. I have no items, so I won't be passing, obviously. I still strongly advise that players with items pass them to the next player on the list with an item. Not just whoever the next person is. Ripple, you never answered that I'm aware - where does passing items fall in the order of actions?
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Yeah, sorry for not helping out all that much either. I've had a pretty busy day. I'll probably be around to talk a bit more tomorrow, but I'm not sure for how long. I'll pass my item to Winter again. SilverDragon, I really would like to hear from you soon!
Young Bard he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Conq (for now.) At the moment, DC is the only inactive player with an item we know of, which makes it that much more important that they speak up. DC, any problems with El's plan? Also, anybody you're suspicious of?
RippleGylf she/her Posted June 13, 2016 Author Posted June 13, 2016 Ripple, will eliminator kills and Knife kills be differentiated in the writeups? Yes. Ripple, you never answered that I'm aware - where does passing items fall in the order of actions? It comes after all kills. So, if you pass Silver Powder to someone who's making a kill, it doesn't protect them from the Shade kill. Items passed to someone who dies will simply be kept by the original holder, as the recipient was never alive to receive them.
Conquestor he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Sorry everyone, I have had a busy weekend and just hit the hay last night! I do have an item and will pass it to Lopen and this seems to be a great idea. I know I am suspicious about the voting thing with Aman, but I was Ninja'd by Zas changing his vote from me to Aman, so, I thought I was breaking the tie on the vote between myself and Aman. Edit : color mistake! Edited June 13, 2016 by Conquestor
TheSilverDragon he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Sorry guys, I really didn't have any time yesterday, only getting on for a couple minutes, and it wasn't enough time to read the whole thread (I got about a page through, but he to stop) I now should be more active.
Zas678 he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 So I'm very glad that the lynch proved fruitful. I wasn't given an item last night, so I still don't have an item. I have a question for Ripple- can you give an item the same cycle you receive it? So if I was getting a knife today, could I give it away this same turn? That would allow us to get through a lot more people, especially if we have limited resources.
DeathClutch19 he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) I haven't received a PM regarding my success or items I've received, but short of a secret role, I successfully gave DC something. Hopefully, he'll check on relatively soon I can confirm that this is true! Edit: Also I don't have a problem with Elb's plan Edited June 13, 2016 by DeathClutch19 1
RippleGylf she/her Posted June 13, 2016 Author Posted June 13, 2016 I have a question for Ripple- can you give an item the same cycle you receive it? So if I was getting a knife today, could I give it away this same turn? No, you cannot.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Will Cycle three be delayed or extended due to the Forum update? (The Forum will be offline for up to 12 hours starting at 9pm PST for updates.)
Young Bard he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) OK, Deathclutch. I won't be on again until after the update, so... I guess I'll try to make this count. McKeedee so far is the only person to be caught out in an actual lie, and they also didn't pass yesterday, even though they had an item. Then, they publicly give away information about what item he carries, meaning that no (or at least less) suspicion would fall on him if Sart gets lynched tomorrow. EDIT: Table time! Master Elodin: Xailen Dava C1 (claimed no item) TheOnlyJoe: Joseph C1 (claimed no item) I phattemer: ExisaCrewmember Mailliw: Ialim C1 (claimed no item) Cloudjumper: Lark C1 (claimed no item) Conquestor: Lorien winter devotion: Kae and Cleo I TheMarvelousLopen: Lopen C1 (assuming winter confirms) I Elbereth: Crepuscula C1 Sart: Sam Trudite C1 Mckeedee123: Mekel Moss C1 (wanted to see if the system worked) K TheYoungBard: Yon C1 (missed rollover) I Zas678: Zas C1 (claimed no item) Deathclutch19: Sir Ulrich von Liechtenstein C1 I Bugsy6912: Beckett C1 TheSilverDragon: Peter C1 Amanuensis: InnocentMutineer Key: C1 = passed an item, couldn't have committed the kill C1 = didn't pass an item, could have committed the kill I = Has an item this current cycle (K, V, and S represent the Knife, Vote Manip/Intoxicant, and Silver Powder Respectively, if specified) Bold = Anyone who is confirmed to have an item the previous turn but didn't pass it. Edited June 13, 2016 by The Young Bard
Conquestor he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Does anyone else find it ironic that Aman name his character Innocent, but ended up being a mutineer? Just found that funny. Anyway, I had an item C1, but did not pass it. I will be passing it this turn to a person I have contacted through a pm. I am also a little suspicious of Elb because she is the one who suggested using this plan to switch around items, right? This is suspicious because then the eliminators have a little bit of a better chance to get items.
Zas678 he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Conq, why did you not give away your item last round? You were active. And it's possible that Elb is an eluminator, but I think that would be more likely if Elb was trying to contain all the information herself. The bad thing about the list is that it kind of stifles discussions about the lynch. It's too bad, but I think it's valuable enough to keep it around.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Does anyone else find it ironic that Aman name his character Innocent, but ended up being a mutineer? Just found that funny. Anyway, I had an item C1, but did not pass it. I will be passing it this turn to a person I have contacted through a pm. I am also a little suspicious of Elb because she is the one who suggested using this plan to switch around items, right? This is suspicious because then the eliminators have a little bit of a better chance to get items. Even more ironic is that the last time I saw anyone pick a name like that(Shallan as "Lynchtarget the Innocent" in QF9), they were lynched Day 1 when they hadn't even been online and turned out to be an eliminator as well. . . Anyways, not much lynch discussion so far. That's not good. Conq, you still haven't explained your lack of posting on C1 or why you didn't pass your item. I'm not saying you had to pass your item, but if you saw the plan during C1, you could have said something about it then. Plus, you voice suspicion of Elbereth here, but you don't vote. Looks kind of like you don't want to bring attention to yourself. SilverDragon. :/
Sart he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Can't tell if my post worked. Edit: guess not. Lopen, this is the second time you bandwagonned. Yesterday you said you distrusted Zas and now you vote with him. You conveniently removed your vote from Conquestor near the end of the cycle. Edited June 13, 2016 by Sart
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 I don't see another post from you. So probably not.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Can't tell if my post worked. Edit: guess not. Lopen, this is the second time you bandwagonned. Yesterday you said you distrusted Zas and now you vote with him. You conveniently removed your vote from Conquestor near the end of the cycle. It's not bandwagoning. It's a second vote. Are we just not gonna have a lynch if no one can vote alongside someone else? I distrusted him a little, sure. It was just gut though, and then at the end I thought his vote on Aman was suspicious because Aman hadn't even been on. Now that Aman turned out to be a Mutineer, he's not really suspicious to me anymore. I lean on facts over intuition if there are any. Not sure what you mean about conveniently removing my vote on Conq last Cycle? I just removed it because Conq had said he was busy to Joe or something like that and i didn't want to lynch him if he actually had reasons for not posting. And didn't me removing my vote help get Aman lynched?
RippleGylf she/her Posted June 13, 2016 Author Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Will Cycle three be delayed or extended due to the Forum update? (The Forum will be offline for up to 12 hours starting at 9pm PST for updates.) The start of Cycle Three will be delayed until 8pm tomorrow night. Cycle Two will still end tonight. The results of Cycle Two will be posted in this cycle's thread. A full write-up will be posted with the Cycle Three thread. No PM or Doc use is allowed during this time. I know this solution sounds a bit weird, but the forum update caught me off-guard and unprepared. This is the best way to make sure I can properly GM. So, tomorrow, take a day off from killing each other! Sit back, relax, and watch the red eyes glaring at you from outside the safehouse. Oh, and the write-up is up now. Edited June 13, 2016 by RippleGylf 2
Mckeedee123 he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) I'm... really not sure why you claimed the knife. I mean, it is useful information, I suppose. But I highly recommend that no one else reveal what specific items they're passing. What the item is doesn't matter for the purposes of the plan. And in all probability a villager will know what that item is within a couple of cycles as it passes hands, anyway. If the items keep cycling through peoples' hands, the Eliminators are bound to receive them and report what exactly they are to the rest of their team before passing them on. Leaving the items unnamed gives the Eliminators an advantage, because their entire team will find out what they are, but only a handful of villagers will know what each item is. That was my logic, anyway. And I'm fairly certain that knowing who knife-wielders are, or having a knife, isn't too much of an advantage to the eliminators. They can't use it at the same time as an Eliminator kill, and letting someone make a vigilante kill is statistically likely to turn out well for them (I think.) The only thing I can think of is that they might try to use the information to manipulate the knife-wielder into vigilante-killing an innocent. OK, Deathclutch. I won't be on again until after the update, so... I guess I'll try to make this count. McKeedee so far is the only person to be caught out in an actual lie, and they also didn't pass yesterday, even though they had an item. Then, they publicly give away information about what item he carries, meaning that no (or at least less) suspicion would fall on him if Sart gets lynched tomorrow. -Lying: Joe sent me a PM, and for the first few hours, that was the only one I had sent by somebody else to me. I didn't think it was suspicious or anything, but I decided I'd conduct the same information-baiting test I'd been using to vet people in the Shadows of Elantris game. I just told Joe that DC had an item, and if DC got killed that round, it would be likely that Joe had him killed since that was the most interesting information that the mutineers had received so far. I didn't have a role to back me up, and it wasn't all that decisive anyway, but I decided to give it a shot. I definitely didn't expect Joe to confront me about it on the thread, but I guess I wasn't surprised. (I don't really suspect Joe, especially not now. He was the first person to vote for Aman, right?) -Didn't pass item: I wasn't really interested in the item-passing scheme last round. I'm actually still sort of skeptical of it right now, but I decided that I either had to go big or go home this round. Edited June 13, 2016 by Mckeedee123
Conquestor he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Can someone do a vote tally please? Lopen , I was busy C1 and forgot to put in the order to move my item because I had to hurry and get off, then was busy for most of the night. As for why I voted for Aman, I thought I was tipping the scale, but instead was bandwagoning because I was Ninja'd by someone. Oh and the reason I didn't vote for Elb is because I don't actually suspect her that much, it was just something I wanted to point out. The reason I am voting for you is because you seem to be really defense when someone is saying something about you that could lead us to think that you are a mutineer.
DeathClutch19 he/him Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Okay. Question...who should I pass my item to?
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