RippleGylf she/her Posted June 13, 2016 Author Posted June 13, 2016 Cycle is over! New cycle will be up shortly.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Rollover actually happened 8 minutes ago, unless Ripple is extending it. SO I think your vote on Zas will still count.
RippleGylf she/her Posted June 13, 2016 Author Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Cycle 2 The Silver was cold and wet against his bare toes. The chill had traveled from his toes all the way up to his knees, where it had met the chill caused by the dew ridden grass beneath his back. Innocent didn’t care to remember how long he’d been laying here, right where he’d helped throw Kelen to his death. He’d stayed there afterward, watched Kelen’s Shade throughout the night. At some point he must have fallen asleep. He could still see Kelen when he woke up. Crouching across the ring, glaring at him with hatred in his red eyes. The four Shades that killed him had calmed down and left, but he had stayed to watch his murderer. Stayed to condemn the man who was already condemning himself. “Hell take my soul.” Innocent muttered to himself, wondering if Kelen could hear him. He used his elbows to push himself upwards, so that he could face Kelen. “My father would be so disappointed in me, you know? He wanted me to be someone of good-repute. A merchant, or a tailor, or, i dunno, something.” He waved vaguely, trying to get his point across. “He named me Innocent because that’s what he wanted me to be. Innocent, when he wasn’t. My family can trace it’s roots back to the olden days, before these damned forests were even discovered. And guess what?” He waited, but Kelen didn’t ask. “Every one of them was a criminal. My father wanted me to break the cycle.” He pulled his feet back from the ring, and crouched down, matching Kelen’s pose. “I was poor, and Montgomery took me in, taught me how to survive in this dark world. Taught me to steal and kill, rob and burn, pillage and hide. But he also taught me to be honorable, and to not betray a trust. And I never did. Until two nights ago.” He raised his hands, remembering exactly what Jack’s blood looked like on them. “It took them two whole weeks to convince me that he needed to die. And I still regret it. I never should have helped them. Now, I’ve killed him, and I’ve killed you. I don’t know what to do.” He leaned backwards, falling back to the ground with his arms splayed out to either side. “I don’t know what to do Kelen.” The wet grass made squishing noises as it was stepped on. Innocent didn’t bother to look in the direction of the sound. Why bother? It didn’t matter. A man appeared above him, and tapped him in the side with his boot. Joseph said some things, but Innocent didn’t listen to them. There were more footsteps, and more figures appeared around him. Sam and Zas grabbed his shoulders and stood him up, saying more things. Innocent didn’t care. When Lorien arrived, and tried to slap life into him, he ignored them. Finally, they gave up in disgust, and he was shoved backwards. His bare feet went cold again, as they brushed against the cold Silver. But they were warm when compared to Kelen’s grasp. For the first time in nearly two weeks, Innocent smiled, because finally, things felt right. ---------------------------------------------------------- Exisa smiled as he walked. The Safehouse was far behind him, it’s shades and murderers far away from him. None of them would find the tunnel he had dug to escape, he was sure. So he was safe. Feruchemy really made tunneling easy. He wished he could go faster, Tap steel and by leagues away by daybreak. But it was still night time, so he couldn’t. He walked as quickly as he dared though. His feet crunching the leaves and branches underfoot were the only noises he heard. The Forests of Hell were so much quieter than those of Scadrial.“Too Quiet” Exisa nodded along. It was suspiciously quiet. Wait, what? He pivoted on one foot, lashing out with a pewter enhanced blow, but hit nothing. No one was there. Who had spoken?“Tsk, tsk. Always too slow Brother.” Exisa felt his blood run cold as he recognized the voice. He slowly turned around to see his twin brother, Seixa.“Miss me?” Seixa spread his arms out wide, as if offering a hug. Exisa flared steel and throw coins at him. Seixa twirled to the side, dodging them completely. Exisa grabbed a full vial off his belt, ripped out the cork and downed the whole thing. He flared pewter, steel, tin and Copper. He dipped his hands into his pockets, sliding metalminds onto his fingers. He tapped steel, pewter, tin and bronze. Seixa grinned at him. “Catch me if you can slowpoke” Seixa took of like a bullet, and Exisa was right behind him, tapping steel and flaring pewter. Storing Iron and tapping Zinc. The trees blurred by as he raced after his brother. Blacks and greens and browns and reds blurring by. Reds?“There are three simple rules to follow if you want to survive the Forests of Hell Brother. Don’t kindle flame, don’t shed the blood of another,” Exisa slowed down and he realized what his twin had done. “And don’t, run, AT NIGHT!” The forest was red with shades surrounding him. Seixa cackled as Exisa stopped burning, tapping and storing, and slowly pivoted, trying to find a way out. There was none. Nor did he have any Silver, but, did they know that? As the Shades got closer, he grabbed his jacket and ripped off completely, revealing dozens of spikes piercing his flesh. The Shades shied back from the metal. “Ha! Can’t touch this!”“Oh please. You’re not stupid Exisa. Even I can admit that.” Seixa floated around him in a quick circle. “Silver isn’t allomantic. If any of those were silver, you’d be dead.” The Shades all perked up, and began to tighten their circle again. “Get him boys.” Exisa screamed as the Shades covered hum, buried him in darkness. He screamed as his flesh fell apart to ash, the Spikes falling to the ground.“Tsk, tsk, if only you weren’t so proficient at Hemalurgy. Goodbye brother.” Amanuensis was lynched! He was a Mutineer! phattemer was killed! He was a Crewmember! Vote Tally: Conquestor(1): The Young Bard zas678(1): Bugsy6912 Amanuensis(4): Conquestor, zas678, The Only Joe, Sart Edited November 12, 2016 by Alvron 7
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Amanuensis was lynched! He was a Mutineer! Well then. The writeup won't be as boring to do as I thought! EDIT: I received an Item from Winter Cloud. She did not make a kill. Edited June 13, 2016 by The Only Joe 1
Elbereth she/her Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 o.O Um... Well, I was just about to come in here and be irritated at a last minute bandwagon on someone who hasn't even logged on in a couple of days, but... I guess not. Excellent! Family are just leaving now, so I'll be able to get some actual thoughts down in a few minutes.
Young Bard he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Oh... I thought rollover was a couple hours late. Sorry. I only just woke up. Personally, I'm suspicious of Zas at this point. He bandwagoned on to Aman at the last minute, perhaps as an attempt to soft-clear himself? He says it was to gain information, even though Aman has been completely inactive since the game began. So, Zas, I'd like to hear from you about that.
cloudjumper he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 I'm not entirely sure what happened in the last few hour of the cycle because I was gone, so could someone give me a summary of what happened during that time? From the posts I guessed that people bandwagoned onto Aman at the last moment, but who did it and why?
Mailliw73 he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Well, that was lucky. I didn't receive an item.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Wow, okay. Whenever I try to kill Aman, it's a lot harder than that. I successfully gave my item to Winter and I received an item from Elbereth. So El is cleared of making a kill and so am I, once Winter confirms I sent her my item.
Bugsy he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 I haven't received a PM regarding my success or items I've received, but short of a secret role, I successfully gave DC something. Hopefully, he'll check on relatively soon
Young Bard he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 I didn't get around to sending my item (I thought I'd be on before rollover), nor did I receive one. Master Elodin: Xailen Dava TheOnlyJoe: Joseph C1 (claimed no item) I phattemer: ExisaCrewmember Mailliw: Ialim C1 (claimed no item) Cloudjumper: Lark C1 (claimed no item) Conquestor: Lorien winter devotion: Kae and Cleo I TheMarvelousLopen: Lopen C1 (assuming winter confirms) I Elbereth: Crepuscula C1 Sart: Sam Trudite Mckeedee123: Mekel Moss TheYoungBard: Yon C1 (missed rollover) I Zas678: Zas C1 (claimed no item) Deathclutch19: Sir Ulrich von Liechtenstein I Bugsy6912: Beckett C1 (assuming DC confirms) TheSilverDragon: Peter Amanuensis: InnocentMutineer Key: C1 = passed an item, couldn't have committed the kill C1 = didn't pass an item, could have committed the kill I = Has an item this current cycle Anyone in future turns who is confirmed to have an item the previous turn but didn't pass it will be bolded. Currently, that's me. Can anyone else who passed or recieved an item speak up, please? Even if you didn't, that still helps fill in the chart. Remember, being cleared one night doesn't necessarily make you not an eliminator. It just means that you didn't perform the kill that night. However, tonight, we know for certain that at least some players have items, and have no reason not to pass them on, which will be more telling. Anyway, I can confirm I will be passing tonight. I sent my orders in now.
Elbereth she/her Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Okay, I'm here. And finally taking the time away from my book to post. Good thing this is the last of the series. Reading these has not been good for my activity levels... Looking at last cycle: Four people voted on Aman - Joe, Sart, Zas, Con. I do not consider Joe cleared of being an eliminator. Poking an inactive teammate is a perfectly valid tactic, and he couldn't very well retract after people started piling on without looking very suspicious when Aman died (since by the time he posted again there'd already been two more votes on Aman). I do consider Sart and Zas fairly cleared. The votes were within three minutes of each other, so Zas would have had to be very gutsy indeed to bus a teammate so immediately. Particularly when putting another vote on someone else could have tied it or gotten Aman completely out of the lynch, potentially. Conq is interesting. I also consider him soft cleared, but there is the possibility that he is also an eliminator. I doubt it, but if so, that would provide a reason for the eliminators to bus Aman - better an active eliminator than an inactive. That's the only way Sart/Zas could be eliminators. I will also note that there are no protection roles in this game. That means we know with some certainty where the next kills will go. Unfortunately. Oh... I thought rollover was a couple hours late. Sorry. I only just woke up. Personally, I'm suspicious of Zas at this point. He bandwagoned on to Aman at the last minute, perhaps as an attempt to soft-clear himself? He says it was to gain information, even though Aman has been completely inactive since the game began. So, Zas, I'd like to hear from you about that. Seriously? You suspect Zas for lynching an eliminator. He didn't just hop onto a lynch that was already set in stone: he broke the tie. Bard. Zas and Sart are currently the most cleared players in the game, in my opinion. Trying to make us distrust them is the first thing an eliminator would do. I'm not entirely sure what happened in the last few hour of the cycle because I was gone, so could someone give me a summary of what happened during that time? From the posts I guessed that people bandwagoned onto Aman at the last moment, but who did it and why? Well... you could just go back and read it yourself, you know...
cloudjumper he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Okay, I'm here. And finally taking the time away from my book to post. Good thing this is the last of the series. Reading these has not been good for my activity levels... Looking at last cycle: Four people voted on Aman - Joe, Sart, Zas, Con. I do not consider Joe cleared of being an eliminator. Poking an inactive teammate is a perfectly valid tactic, and he couldn't very well retract after people started piling on without looking very suspicious when Aman died (since by the time he posted again there'd already been two more votes on Aman). I do consider Sart and Zas fairly cleared. The votes were within three minutes of each other, so Zas would have had to be very gutsy indeed to bus a teammate so immediately. Particularly when putting another vote on someone else could have tied it or gotten Aman completely out of the lynch, potentially. Conq is interesting. I also consider him soft cleared, but there is the possibility that he is also an eliminator. I doubt it, but if so, that would provide a reason for the eliminators to bus Aman - better an active eliminator than an inactive. That's the only way Sart/Zas could be eliminators. I will also note that there are no protection roles in this game. That means we know with some certainty where the next kills will go. Unfortunately. Seriously? You suspect Zas for lynching an eliminator. He didn't just hop onto a lynch that was already set in stone: he broke the tie. Bard. Zas and Sart are currently the most cleared players in the game, in my opinion. Trying to make us distrust them is the first thing an eliminator would do. Well... you could just go back and read it yourself, you know... Ohhh. Sorry about that. When I tried to access it before an error message popped up, so I couldn't see it.
Young Bard he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Seriously? You suspect Zas for lynching an eliminator. He didn't just hop onto a lynch that was already set in stone: he broke the tie. Bard. Zas and Sart are currently the most cleared players in the game, in my opinion. Trying to make us distrust them is the first thing an eliminator would do. Didn't Conq break the tie? Zas didn't actually need to vote for Aman to lynch him but he did anyway. So, I could easily see that as a bandwagon. EDIT: Ugh, this is what happens when I try and do everything from memory. I got confused between Zas and Conq. Sorry about that. Conq, why did you bandwagon? Was it needed? The tie would have killed you, and then Zas broke the tie in your favour. (BTW, sorry Zas.) EDIT II: Fixing up obscure wording. Edited June 13, 2016 by The Young Bard
Elbereth she/her Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Conq voted after Zas? Might want to go read the thread again...
Young Bard he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Conq voted after Zas? Might want to go read the thread again... Read my edit from just a moment ago.
Elbereth she/her Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 >> I never read edits... Downside to being on as soon as I see that someone's posted is that I never see the edits. Bard, although that vote will go back on if I don't find anything else more suspicious, because while that was a nice explanation the fact remains that you're voting on someone I consider at least soft-cleared. I'm still watching you. Who are you passing your item to, by the way? That's kind of an important part of announcing that you're passing one. Speaking of which, I gave my item to Lopen and received no items. The problem with doing things this way is that the people who don't have items are always going to be shifting, and it's very easy for the eliminators to slip through the cracks. We need a circle of passing items, not a line. Right now, five people claim to have items. I propose that those five people pass their items to the next person in the list who has an item. (Joe to Winter, Winter to Lopen, etc., then DC to Joe.) Hopefully we can add a few more people with items, so that we have a fairly solid group of people who can't have made the kill. Five is a bit small for my liking.
Mckeedee123 he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Huh. Right now, I'm wondering "why Phattemer?" He never posted on the thread, so was he in any PM's? If anyone did have a PM with the guy, post anything you learned about him and what he claimed. It was probably a random kill, but it can't hurt to know more. On the whole item-passing thing, I think it's a good idea to implement. The only caveat is that I really don't think that the information is too useful if the idea is carried on disorganizedly. Knives can really screw it up, since they enable to the Eliminator team to make a kill and pass with their non-knife-wielding players on the same night. We need to record every single item transfer so that we know exactly where everything is. Oh, good. Looks like Bard ninja'd me on this one. My suggested format for the table is this: 1. _[Player]_ gave _[item]_ to _[Player]_ (Confirmed/Unconfirmed) ----> _[Player]_ will give _[item]_ to _[Player]_ 2. _[Player]_ gave _[item]_ to _[Player]_ (Confirmed/Unconfirmed) ----> _[Player]_ will give _[item]_ to _[Player]_ 3. _[Player]_ gave _[item]_ to _[Player]_ (Confirmed/Unconfirmed) ----> _[Player]_ will give _[item]_ to _[Player]_ This isn't a surefire method of rooting out eliminators, but it's a valuable source of information nonetheless. One thing we need to decide is how we're going to deal with knives, because again, they can screw this whole system up pretty badly. A. Move knives around just like any other item. The downside of this is that it tells the Eliminators exactly where all of the knives are, which gives them the opportunity to kill knifewielders and have a small chance of receiving a knife from the dead person without us knowing exactly who got ahold of it. B. Tell players with knives to keep their knives and don't pass them around. Chances are, the Eliminators got one knife at the most, so this should limit their potential access to them, but give the loyalists less information and decrease the amount of transfers we can track. As Bard was the first to compile a list, I'm giving his opinion priority. Just to confirm, Ripple, an Eliminator can't pass an item on the same cycle that the Eliminator team makes a kill, can they? Does making the mutineer kill occupy the entire team?
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) That is a lovely Emoticon. Looking at it's Url, Haelbarde made it for you? I'm stealing it. Anyway, Writeup will be a bit delayed because Phat gave me a ridiculous request for his death, and I'm determined to do it. As for suspicions, I'm suspicious of all the people who voted on Aman. Less uspicious than those who didn't vote on him, but still not cleared. Amanuensis has only made one post this game, and it was "I probably shouldn't sign up since I'm going to be super busy starting monday." So his death could be a fair trade to get complete trust on the four players who voted for him, which, in Elbereth's Case, worked on Zas and Sart. Again, I'm not saying these people are eliminators, I'm just saying They're aren't cleared. Players are never cleared. Also, voting for young bard, because I was around for the early days of Sanderson Elimination, and I remember the pure Evilness that was Lists. They've always been used by the eliminators to cast doubt and suspicion! [/sarcasm] EDIT: Ninja'd by two people, but doesn't change my post, except to make me more suspicious of Mckeedee. Edited June 13, 2016 by The Only Joe
Elbereth she/her Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) That is a lovely Emoticon. Looking at it's Url, Haelbarde made it for you? I'm stealing it. Oh, yes. He made it for QF15, I think? That's where it is in my notes, anyway. I just kept it. (It's also in his sig, but I can't figure out how to access the code for that, annoyingly.)I should've said "soft-cleared", probably... but still. I think they're more trustworthy than anyone else in this game right now. Huh. Right now, I'm wondering "why Phattemer?" He never posted on the thread, so was he in any PM's? If anyone did have a PM with the guy, post anything you learned about him and what he claimed. It was probably a random kill, but it can't hurt to know more.Ooh. Now that is an excellent question. Why Phatt, indeed... Well, one reason would be first-day team chaos. That's always an option. It's decided at random, at the last minute, etc etc. If it's not that? My only thought would be that one of the eliminators is particularly interested in going after inactives. Which is very possible, although unfortunately it doesn't throw much light on who the team could be - because Aman has a history of that. And he's dead. We don't know that he was around in the doc, although it's a bit unlikely, but if anyone were going to pick Phatt for death it'd be him, I think. Which isn't very helpful. EDIT: Oh, about Knives. In my opinion, the advantage to having more items is worth the risk of them falling into the hands of the eliminators. They can maybe get a knife if they're lucky, but they still can't use it if they're also passing items. Edited June 13, 2016 by Elbereth (Lomion)
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Yes they can. They can use it on the person they're supposed to pass the item to. Then they claim they passed the item and that somebody else killed them. Ripple, will eliminator kills and Knife kills be differentiated in the writeups?
Young Bard he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Who are you passing your item to, by the way? That's kind of an important part of announcing that you're passing one. Speaking of which, I gave my item to Lopen and received no items. The person above. That way, I'm less likely to hook up with another eliminator buddies and pretend I passed an item. (For me, that's McKeedee.) The problem with doing things this way is that the people who don't have items are always going to be shifting, and it's very easy for the eliminators to slip through the cracks. We need a circle of passing items, not a line. Right now, five people claim to have items. I propose that those five people pass their items to the next person in the list who has an item. (Joe to Winter, Winter to Lopen, etc., then DC to Joe.) Hopefully we can add a few more people with items, so that we have a fairly solid group of people who can't have made the kill. Five is a bit small for my liking. Yes, but that means we're perpetually going to have the same people without items, and are going to be unable to prove themselves otherwise, until we pick them off. This way, if someone has an item, and doesn't pass it on, they're placed under suspicion. <lots of writing> 1. As Bard was the first to compile a list, I'm giving his opinion priority. 2. Just to confirm, Ripple, an Eliminator can't pass an item on the same cycle that the Eliminator team makes a kill, can they? Does making the mutineer kill occupy the entire team? 1. I'm honoured, but I was sort of hoping to set up a solid track over a number of cycles with my plan. So, If a consistent group of people fail to pass on, then that's a hint. Particularly if we know they had an item passed on to them the previous turn (hence the bolding). 2. It doesn't occupy the entire Eliminator team. So, the people in green aren't cleared exactly. However, there are probably only 3 eliminators left if the standard ratios hold, meaning that each of them would need to fail a third of the time, which should show up if we track them over a period of days. EDIT: Catching up on a ninja: Also, voting for young bard, because I was around for the early days of Sanderson Elimination, and I remember the pure Evilness that was Lists. They've always been used by the eliminators to cast doubt and suspicion! [/sarcasm] OK. Joke votes (I think.) So, yeah. I would be infinitely more comforted if people joke-voting on me would stop joke-voting on me, so that people seriously voting on me wouldn't result in a lynch. Thanks... Edited June 13, 2016 by The Young Bard
Mckeedee123 he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 2. It doesn't occupy the entire Eliminator team. So, the people in green aren't cleared exactly. However, there are probably only 3 eliminators left if the standard ratios hold, meaning that each of them would need to fail a third of the time, which should show up if we track them over a period of days. Ah. More idiocy on my part. I assumed that was an integral part of the plan. I guess that means that knives aren't as much of a threat to the consistency of the information as I thought. And since I think this is a good idea, and it's gained enough momentum to be feasible, Mckeedee will give his knife to Sart this round.
Young Bard he/him Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 And since I think this is a good idea, and it's gained enough momentum to be feasible, Mckeedee will give his knife to Sart this round. You probably just made yourself a target for the eliminators there.
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