Elbereth she/her Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 40 minutes ago, Chaos said: (Sorry again, guys!) Chaos. It's fine. We can tolerate double-posts for a few hours. The update is so worth it. Get some sleep. 33 minutes ago, The Only Joe said: Master Elodin: Xailen Dava (Can't remember much of him?) TheOnlyJoe: Joseph (Gave Conq an Item, can't have made kill) Mailliw: Ialim (Been active in other parts of the forums) Cloudjumper: Lark (Was online an hour before rollover) Conquestor: Lorien (Gave me an Item, can't have made kill) Winter Cloud: Kae and Cleo (Claimed to have meant to give me an item but forgot) TheMarvelousLopen: Lopen (Been active) Elbereth: Crepuscula (Busy on the homefront.) Sart: Sam Trudite (Online recently) Mckeedee123: Mekel Moss (Been active) TheYoungBard: Yon (Been active) Zas678: Zas (Been active) Deathclutch19: Sir Ulrich von Liechtenstein (Haven't seen much of him.) Bugsy6912: Beckett (Been active) TheSilverDragon: Peter (Seems to be inactive?) So, I'm going to toss a vote on @TheSilverDragon Silver Dragon. There was no Eliminator kill, so maybe the inactives or people who missed rollover are eliminators. (I'd still like more item claims people so we know wh0 can't have made the kill. Before I get into my main thing - about my schedule, since it seems to have settled down. As far as I know, for at least the duration of this QF, I will be absent from 9:30 a.m. PDT to no earlier than 4:30 p.m. PDT. Often up to an hour later, which means missing turnover. Sorry about that. I should be fine after turnover for several hours, though. Anyway. Interesting point. So, since there are no protection roles this game (which is annoying at times but that's too bad), there are essentially two possible reasons for no kill: The eliminators chose not to send in a kill. This would mean either they're all inactive/missed turnover (possible, though I regard it as somewhat unlikely unless it's a SD/DC team with someone else who forgot - you could argue that it's a team of those two and me, but even then I give it an even chance that I'd have remembered to send in the kill before I left), or they deliberately didn't send in a kill to implicate the people passing actions. That's easy enough to test, though. We just need the people who passed last round to pass again. If there's no kill, they're probably eliminators (and if that's not the case it doesn't matter because we'll just have those same people keep passing and either the eliminators keep on not killing and thus are basically toothless or eventually they kill again and we know that the people passing aren't necessarily eliminators). The eliminators couldn't send in a kill because they had to pass items. (There's the potential of one of them being able to send in a kill but being inactive, so let's be careful of that, but it's currently beside the point.) So... well, same plan as before. We need the same people to pass again. Actually... Ripple, if you got two conflicting eliminator kill orders, what would be the result? 28 minutes ago, Mckeedee123 said: I took a tip from Elbereth and passed to Lopen instead (he was afraid Sart was going to die.) I received an item from Bard. (I'm female, by the way. ) Thanks for reminding me. This is why I think it's the second option, not the first. I'd think the eliminators would really like to kill Sart or Zas at this point. Particularly Sart, because he was also getting passed a knife. Couldn't ask for a better target than that. So I think they would have if they could have. SD, if it's a knife, everyone already knows the location of one (with Lopen at the moment). If it's one of the other two items, I don't think they'd be that hard to find out about. Right. So. Time to break out the charts again. Master Elodin - claims no item Joe - passed item to Conq, got item from Conq Mailliw - claims no item Cloudjumper - claims no item Conquestor - passed item to Joe, got item from Joe Winter - currently has an item which she forgot to pass; likely given an item by Lopen Lopen - got item from Mek, passed item to Winter Elbereth - claims no item Sart - claims no item Mek (Mckeedee) - passed item to Lopen, received item from Bard TheYoungBard - passed item to Mckeedee Zas678 - claims no item Deathclutch - currently has an item which he likely did not pass due to not knowing who to pass it to Bugsy6912 - claims no item SilverDragon - has item but was unwilling to pass it Players in blue currently have items, as far as I'm aware. So the chain looks like it was: Bard -> Mek -> Lopen -> Winter Conq <-> Joe So Bard, Mek, Lopen, Joe, and Conq would be cleared if there had been an eliminator kill. Which there was not. That's a pretty small pool of people to have the entire eliminator team in there... I'm guessing that it's a combination of #1 and #2. The only people who could have sent in the kill were inactive or some such. Okay, so there are currently eight items in the game that we know of and sixteen players. That's actually a fairly solid amount, particularly as the game goes on and the numbers start going down. My suggestion: Conq and Joe keep passing back and forth. This does leave us open to the possibility of both of them being eliminators and only pretending to pass, but if that were the case there probably would have been a kill last cycle. Which there was not. So I feel fairly secure in saying at least one of them is a villager. SD passes back and forth with someone else, whoever has the same item. That'll affect the below, so I'll have to adapt it, but it shouldn't be too hard. Winter -> Bard. Mek -> Lopen, Lopen -> DC, DC -> Mek. (Winter has two items at the moment, so she's giving one to the person in last cycle's chain who doesn't currently have an item, which is Bard. That way after this cycle all five of these people can go in a big circle.) Does anyone have any objections or any other suggestions? (Or other items. That'd be nice, too.) And I agree with Sart - this plan is fun and all, but we can't rely on it to catch eliminators. The lynch is equally important. But this post is plenty long enough already, so I'll be going through the previous cycles after I post this, and then I'll come back and vote on someone. Hopefully this formats correctly. I'm really not used to the rich text editor...
Mailliw73 he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 18 minutes ago, Sart said: I formally request that this cycle be named seeing double. In other news, I still don't have an item. There was no kill yesterday. I'm not sure what we can glean from that, but it's something to think about. We keep discussing plans, but we have gotten sidetracked from the lynch. I was the one who started that, but I regret it now. We need to vote. Speaking of which, I would like to hear from Mailliw He seems preoccupied with the other game, so that's why he didn't make the kill. Sorry, guys. I started a new job this week, working full time, so my time has been much limited. I'll try to post more this week. 2
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Whew. I dodged a bullet there! I forgot when rollover time was so wasn't able to send in my Action to send my item to Winter(I know, I know, I should have sent in the order way early, I just have a habit of waiting until late just in case I change my order). Sorry guys! Thankfully the eliminators forgot to send in their Action too, so thanks to them! I did receive an item from Mckeedee though. I'll make sure to make my Action widely known this time. I agree that we need to focus more on the lynch. SD, you info dumped, which is somewhat helpful, but you don't mention any suspicions or opinions on players, which is what's gonna be the best way to catch eliminators. So, it seems as if you're trying to participate in the thread without really talking about anything all that important. I've been sick for the last few days, so I haven't really had the energy to keep up with things as well as I'd like. I'll try to go through the whole thread and get some player analysis done tonight though. Also...cool looking changes to the site!
Young Bard he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) OK. With Lopen's info, I'll make a slight adjustment on @Elbereth's plan. @TheMightyLopen passes one of his two items to me, and @Mckeedee123 passes to DC, because I never received an item. I feel like I might poke vote @Conquestor. You've twice now narrowly avoided suspicion. I'll get a more detailed analysis up in a few minutes. Ripple, will you notice that vote going past when you count it up? Edited June 15, 2016 by The Young Bard Bolded vote to make it more obvious. 1
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Is the plan still for me and conquestor to pass our items back to eachother again?
Elbereth she/her Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) Thanks, Bard! I was going to do that when I put up an analysis-post, but that's still not ready. I went and played cards instead. I'd greatly prefer if you and Con joined the main circle, Joe (just because that ensures you can't be eliminators together). Only if you're both willing to, though. I assumed you weren't, which is why I left you as you were. Edited June 15, 2016 by Elbereth
Master Elodin Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 4 minutes ago, The Only Joe said: Is the plan still for me and conquestor to pass our items back to eachother again? Seeing as that was noted pretty recently, I would assume so. Also, Bard, the fact that you can't lynch someone doesn't mean that you should try harder.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 1 minute ago, Elbereth said: Thanks, Bard! I was going to do that when I put up an analysis-post, but that's still not ready. I went and played cards instead. I'd greatly prefer if you and Con joined the main circle, Joe (just because that ensures you can't be eliminators together). Only if you're both willing to, though. I assumed you weren't, which is why I left you as you were. Where would we be in the circle? I'm perfectly fine with joining it, once Conq posts that he's seen this and will be changing his orders. I don't want to receive his item and not give him one. Wouldn't be fair.
Elbereth she/her Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Yeah, agreed. If Con's willing. I think... let's see how this looks. Lopen->Bard (thus both have one item and can join the circle next time), Mek->DC->Winter->Joe->Con->Mek. Does that look right? I think that makes everyone there have one item. In theory, at least. And that way Con still gets your (originally his) item. He just gives it to Mek instead of you. I think that works.
Young Bard he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 6 minutes ago, Master Elodin said: Seeing as that was noted pretty recently, I would assume so. Also, Bard, the fact that you can't lynch someone doesn't mean that you should try harder. Well the thing is, on both days, I ended up retracting my vote and voting for someone else each day. Yesterday, I wish I hadn't, seeing as he would have been lynched had I not changed my vote. 2 minutes ago, Elbereth said: Yeah, agreed. If Con's willing. I think... let's see how this looks. Lopen->Bard (thus both have one item and can join the circle next time), Mek->DC->Winter->Joe->Con->Mek. Does that look right? I think that makes everyone there have one item. In theory, at least. And that way Con still gets your (originally his) item. He just gives it to Mek instead of you. I think that works. Looks good to me.
Master Elodin Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 1 minute ago, The Young Bard said: Well the thing is, on both days, I ended up retracting my vote and voting for someone else each day. Yesterday, I wish I hadn't, seeing as he would have been lynched had I not changed my vote. Looks good to me. That's fair.
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Alright, I should be online right before rollover, so If he hasn't posted by then, I'll send my item to him, if not, I'll send it to, oh, wow. I didn't read your plan fully enough, lol. I'll send my item to Conquestor. It will be slightly awkward if I end up with two items tomorrow and mek ends up with none.
Young Bard he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 1 minute ago, The Only Joe said: Alright, I should be online right before rollover, so If he hasn't posted by then, I'll send my item to him, if not, I'll send it to, oh, wow. I didn't read your plan fully enough, lol. I'll send my item to Conquestor. It will be slightly awkward if I end up with two items tomorrow and mek ends up with none. If you are online and Conq looks like he's going to get lynched, then pass straight to Mek. Same if he hasn't come online. It seems like the simplest choice if you're going to be online then.
Elbereth she/her Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Yeah. The alternative is that he keeps sending it to you and you send it to Mek. I just picked what seemed the better option, though either works.
Young Bard he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Elbereth said: Yeah. The alternative is that he keeps sending it to you and you send it to Mek. I just picked what seemed the better option, though either works. YESSSSS! I NINJA'D THE NINJA QUEEN! I HAS ULTIMATE NINJA POWERS!!!!!!!! Edited June 15, 2016 by The Young Bard I should probably be a little less excited about this. But then, I should probably be doing homework instead of SE, so... 1
Elbereth she/her Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 No, I saw that you'd posted. I just sent it anyway because it said a bit more than your post did. People have ninja'd me, though. (Just not as often as you'd think. In QF15 I lied a lot about getting ninja'd. And at least once in LG22, I believe.)
Jo and the Bush all/any Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 Writeup is finally live. Geez. I spent far too long Binge reading Gunnerkrigg Court today. Also, I'll be out of Wi-Fi- range for, well, nearly the rest of the cycle. I'll try to get online, but don't count on it until about an hour before rollover.
Elbereth she/her Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) 4 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said: Um, but I want to use my Knife... >> That is your prerogative, if you so wish. In my personal opinion, the knife will do more good staying in the game and clearing people. But if you're certain you know who an eliminator is, you can indeed use it on them. Let me know whether you decide to (in PM if you wish) and I'll rearrange the circle accordingly. EDIT: Also, great writeup, Joe! Reminds me that I need to be doing some RP... Edited June 15, 2016 by Elbereth
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Elbereth said: >> That is your prerogative, if you so wish. In my personal opinion, the knife will do more good staying in the game and clearing people. But if you're certain you know who an eliminator is, you can indeed use it on them. Let me know whether you decide to (in PM if you wish) and I'll rearrange the circle accordingly. EDIT: Also, great writeup, Joe! Reminds me that I need to be doing some RP... Oh, I'm gonna use it. Not sure on who just yet, but I do plan on using it. It's not often you get the power to kill after all! I'm not certain about any of my suspects being eliminators(still haven't had the chance to go over the thread completely like I wanted - like I said earlier, I'm not feeling too great atm), but I'm going for it anyways. I'll make sure to look over every single player before I decide though, so it's not like I'm just gonna be using an RNG or anything. Right now, my suspects are Mailliw, Mckeedee, Bard, DC, and SilverDragon. I kinda think I want to lynch SD though. His lurking-ish behavior plus his posts ignoring the lynch have got me suspicious. Actually, am I voting on someone already? Let me check real quick... >> Edit: Okay, I didn't. Good. Edited June 15, 2016 by TheMightyLopen
Young Bard he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 2 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said: Actually, am I voting on someone already? Let me check real quick... >> Uhhhh... Yeah. You already voted on Silver Dragon. 3 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said: my suspects are ...Bard...
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 29 minutes ago, The Young Bard said: Uhhhh... Yeah. You already voted on Silver Dragon. I meant had I voted for anyone before that vote on SD. I can't remember why exactly I suspect you, sorry. But I'm gonna try my best to get up a complete analysis on each living player tomorrow, once I've gotten some sleep. So I may change my mind about you after that. My reads are very very weak right now.
Young Bard he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 1 minute ago, TheMightyLopen said: I meant had I voted for anyone before that vote on SD. Yeah. You voted for SD twice.
TheMightyLopen he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 I can't find the first vote anywhere though. >.< On that note, vote tally anyone? I think it would be a good idea to keep those constantly updated and I think we need to have more of a group lynch discussion. The lynch discussion has so far been very broken up by all the planning and so we haven't really gotten anything done(although we're 100% successful with our lynches so far ). I'm going to bed now though. Good night and talk to you all tomorrow at some point.
Young Bard he/him Posted June 15, 2016 Posted June 15, 2016 10 minutes ago, TheMightyLopen said: I can't find the first vote anywhere though. >.< Oh. Sorry. That was Joe that put the first vote on Silver. Never mind.
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