Long Game 22: Corenne al'Daishar

[Gamma Fiend he/him]

Just a heads up, there is ~5 hours and 40 minutes left in the cycle!

[STINK he/him]

Woah guys why you being so quiet like cmon this is something that could upset the Lynch as it stands right now and I'm gonna go to sleep soon so please just like vote for me or something just don't sit there getting confused like me thanks in advance please come again

[Young Bard he/him]

Just to clarify, I am not voting for Straw. I forgot to green it out.

 

And, Hellscythe RC'd to me in the PM last night. They're village.

[AliasSheep]

Oh Harmony, I get back and have 102 notifications...  Let me just read back a bit...

[Mailliw73 he/him]

Just to clarify, I am not voting for Straw. I forgot to green it out.

 

And, Hellscythe RC'd to me in the PM last night. They're village.

Hellscythe also roleclaimed to me. I'm willing to believe his claim for now, but it doesn't put him on either side actually. Have you roleclaimed yet, Bard?

[Master Elodin]

Well, seeing as the top candidates for the lynch are me and Hellscythe, I guess I'll have to pick between the two. Hmm. Let's see. Hellscythe did something very suspicious, and I am me. Well, this is hard. I guess I'll have to pick Hellscythe.

EDIT: Even though you distrust me, I think that you would make a good mayor again, Jak.

Edited June 8, 2016 by Master Elodin

[Bugsy he/him]

Bugsy - even when we're almost certainly going to vote for a new Mayor tomorrow if we don't elect a new one today? Two nights isn't all that long in my view, and I'm fine with keeping Lopen for another day. (Obviously, I don't think Meta should be made Mayor, but that's my personal opinion and separate from the question of whether we should have a new Mayor. Which I would be okay with, but I also would be fine with leaving Lopen alone for another day.) Plus, I'm not sure why Fain would want to convert a Mayor so badly? Mayors are trusted (ish), sure, but they also have a lot of attention on them, so... there are pros and cons.

While 2 nights isn't all that long, we were "almost certain" to elect a new mayor today as well. I care more about the precedent that we aren't taking every precaution possible than the actual thought of one more night under Lopen. And while the mayor position may be subject to scrutiny, so are other votes and claims; the mayor increases examination slightlet, from what I have seen, for literally doubled voting power. Another factor is that Sart voted him in, with a disclaimer of using an RNG. Makes me a but uncomfortable with him there regardless of his likelihood of having been converted.

[Bugsy he/him]

Assuming Senoid's count is correct, voting Elodin will tie the lynch up... Although I'm not more suspicious of him, I'll take the heat of potentially switching the lynch later if HS is evil, just so others can voice their thoughts. I'll remove my vote to prevent a tie if no one else votes, but hopefully this will make some more discussion. Sorry, Elodin

Edited to remove vote

Edited June 8, 2016 by Bugsy6912

[Young Bard he/him]

OK. I wrote this up on the train. I haven’t seen any new posts since my last one, but I wanted to get a more in-depth analysis in.

 

The vote on Hellscythe seems to have appeared very quickly, as there was no suspicion that I saw until the last 12 hours. This seems to have taken off through a lot of bandwagoning. Particularly since the main argument against Hellscythe was that they defended me – which Hellscythe admitted was because we RC’d each other (sorry El) last night. If you lynch Hellscythe, you will regret it.

 

If you still think he's guilty, vote for him tomorrow.

[Straw he/him]

Fine. If Elodin is lynched I will scan Hellsythe.

EDIT: I feel the stares of nine people. *shiver*

Edited June 7, 2016 by Straw

[Bugsy he/him]

If you still think he's guilty, vote for him tomorrow.

I think I see what you're implying. I'm leaving my vote on Elodin except for a worst case scenario of a tie to the end of the cycle. I think HS is likely innocent (or at least not a threat) if I'm interpreting Bard's post correctly.

[Hellscythe he/him]

Really? Let’s see here. You’ve played three games with Sart: MR9 (as Deathclutch), MR10, and AG2. MR9 was your first game, and you never even mentioned Sart until he was killed. MR10 he was lynched D1... and yet you never voted on him or even mentioned him. And then in AG2, you referenced him four times. Here, here, here, here. The only post where you actually talk about him at all (the third) you put him in the could-go-either-way category (although you do say you're leaning bad). That is it. So... you do not usually suspect Sart because of his awkward playstyle. You have never voted for him, Day 1 or any other time.

Hellscythe.

I'm also not very satisfied with Gunshy's explanation, but my vote will stay on HS unless I receive a plausible explanation from him. I can't really think of anything, so that seems somewhat unlikely.

EDIT: I'm on a laptop for once so it may take a bit to figure out the formatting for the links.

EDIT 2: Got it.

. I know who I've suspected in previous games. I'm not going to look back at games I've played with Sart because I don't care. Thinking back on it most of my suspicions on Sart we're stated in PM's or in real life with Mailliw and Deathclutch before anyone knew we knew each other. He tends to be hypocritical (My first game he said to kill all inactives first while only posting twice himself) and all around not say anything useful or anything that hasn't been said before. No offense Sart I just don't like your play style and that usually grants you suspicioun from me however I've found that it has no bearing on whether or not you're evil so I didn't know if I should suspect or vote on you this game.

I wasn't able to vote on Sart the first game primarily because Deathcluth was playing the first 3 days(in actively)and I had missed sign ups.

MR10 I was a little busy being attacked by the actual eliminators to do anything about Sart. I had about 5 eliminator votes on me and all of them verbally attacking me. AG2 I said leaning towards bad because again his play style is off to me and he's always leaning towards bad so really that's no read at all if he's always leaning towards bad.

I obviously wasn't aware I'd never voted for Sart or I wouldn't have said that. He usually gets lynched early and I always suspect him so I made the assumption that I was a part of it.

Edited June 7, 2016 by Hellscythe

[Elbereth she/her]

While 2 nights isn't all that long, we were "almost certain" to elect a new mayor today as well. I care more about the precedent that we aren't taking every precaution possible than the actual thought of one more night under Lopen. And while the mayor position may be subject to scrutiny, so are other votes and claims; the mayor increases examination slightlet, from what I have seen, for literally doubled voting power. Another factor is that Sart voted him in, with a disclaimer of using an RNG. Makes me a but uncomfortable with him there regardless of his likelihood of having been converted.

Okay, sure. I can understand that reasoning, although I'm not sure I agree so much as to change my Mayoral vote. Just the Corruption thing on its own wasn't strong enough, in my opinion, which is why I pointed it out.

 

Regarding Elodin - Unlike last cycle, there has been no push whatsoever to move the lynch away from Elodin. I provided a wonderful reason to bandwagon on HS, and yet almost no one has shifted to him. Which indicates to me that despite my suspicion of him, Elodin seems much more likely to be innocent than HS. I really don't care all that much what his role is. If we make certain roles or situations immune to the lynch, that's taking away the whole point of the lynch. A claim (>>) should not be stopping you from lynching someone unless you have reason to believe that claim (and reason to believe that as a result he's innocent). Neither of these things are true, as far as I'm aware. So my vote stays.

 

HS, I see that you've responded. I'll reply when I get home (in half an hour or so), since I don't have any more time right now.

[AliasSheep]

I'm going to vote for Elodin, for reasons stated mostly last turn and building suspicions from that.

Sorry for low activity this turn. But storms I am tired.

[jaimeleecee she/her]

Bugsy, you have won me over this time, I wanted a reasonable defense and I got one

 

That being said, I am now feeling stuck between these two possibilities.  I see logic in both arguments for and against each of them, for example Elbereth, you mentioned that the HS bandwagon started because of your rational, which was pretty good.. and yet the argument that not enough people have come to Elodin's defense could be voided by this because people (darkfriends) could have taken your reasonable arguments as an opportunity to move the vote elsewhere without having to defend Elodin and make themselves look suspicious. 

 

I think I have to go with my gut on this one and say Elodin my gut was at least half wrong last time, but I feel like I don't have much else to go off of at this point.

 

I will also go ahead and throw a mayoral vote at Meta despite being wary of him at first I have some trust for him at the moment.

 

Going to be leaving job #2 a little later, so I will try and be active when I get home to see what if any changes ensue last minute!

Edited June 8, 2016 by jaimeleecee

[Conquestor he/him]

I don't think that Hellscythe is evil, but has anyone else noticed that both a confirmed eliminator and very suspicious person have voted Lopen for mayor? I think that between Lopen and Meta, Meta is the better choice. As for my vote, it is staying on Elodin. The reason I have restated it here and removed it from it's original spot, is to make vote tallies job's easier and Gamma's job easier.

Edited June 7, 2016 by Conquestor

[Master Elodin]

I think I see what you're implying. I'm leaving my vote on Elodin except for a worst case scenario of a tie to the end of the cycle. I think HS is likely innocent (or at least not a threat) if I'm interpreting Bard's post correctly.

Or its a last-ditch attempt to keep him alive. You aren't going to have to worry about a tie though, I have 2 more votes on me than him with (probably) 3 hours left.

[Elbereth she/her]

HS, I see that you've responded. I'll reply when I get home (in half an hour or so), since I don't have any more time right now.

Correction: In half an hour or so... if my ride decides not to be late. Unfortunately, they did not make that decision. >>

Response to HS, not having read the rest of the thread after his post (since I typed it up in the car and I want to get it out there): Ugh. Now I don't know what to think. On the one hand, there are still inconsistencies I could point out (you've played with him three times, one of which it was DC during the time that he was alive, so effectively only twice - which is a bit small to get sweeping general statements like "I'm always suspicious of his playstyle"; he was only lynched once in the three times you played with him, etc.), but on the other hand your response feels very genuine. (That said, genuine doesn't necessarily imply not evil - that could be entirely true as well as being a wonderful excuse for not voting for Sart.) Maill, I don't suppose you can verify?

But... I still think HS is more likely to be an eliminator than Elodin, even though I think it's entirely possible that neither are. So my vote still stays, I think. Sorry.

Reading through the rest of the thread now.

EDIT: Just realized there's plenty of time left in the cycle. Oops.

EDIT: Fixed what Hael and HS so kindly pointed out.

Edited June 8, 2016 by Elbereth (Lomion)

[Haelbarde he/him]

But... I still think HS is more likely to be an eliminator than HS,

Do you mean 'than Elodin'?

[Hellscythe he/him]

But... I still think HS is more likely to be an eliminator than HS

Yeah I'd have to disagree with that statement. I think HS is much more likely to be an eliminator. Haha kidding.

Edited June 8, 2016 by Hellscythe

[Elbereth she/her]

That being said, I am now feeling stuck between these two possibilities. I see logic in both arguments for and against each of them, for example Elbereth, you mentioned that the HS bandwagon started because of your rational, which was pretty good.. and yet the argument that not enough people have come to Elodin's defense could be voided by this because people (darkfriends) could have taken your reasonable arguments as an opportunity to move the vote elsewhere without having to defend Elodin and make themselves look suspicious.

I don't agree. There hasn't been anything like a bandwagon on HS. Since I posted to vote for him, there have been two votes. One of which was Elodin, which I don't count given that he's basically saving his own skin. So that's one vote, that (I don't think but I'm not at all sure on this point) wasn't even on Elodin in the first place. So... not exactly the situation I'm looking for with Darkfriends.

Hael: Yes. Yes, I did. Oops.

[jaimeleecee she/her]

I don't agree. There hasn't been anything like a bandwagon on HS. Since I posted to vote for him, there have been two votes. One of which was Elodin, which I don't count given that he's basically saving his own skin. So that's one vote, that (I don't think but I'm not at all sure on this point) wasn't even on Elodin in the first place. So... not exactly the situation I'm looking for with Darkfriends.

Hael: Yes. Yes, I did. Oops.

I'll have to give you credit for that one, to be perfectly honest I didn't look carefully at who voted for HS, I was just offering a counter argument to that possibility. I called it a bandwagon because people indicated that the vote was tied and last I checked only you had voted for him. I am home now and with 2 hours left I will get on my computer and look more closely at everything ASAP.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

El, yeah, HS and I have talked before and he's mentioned that he finds Sart's Playstyle annoying. So that's not something new.

[Haelbarde he/him]

Okay, looking back over the discussion around Elodin, I'm thinking I'd lean towards Elodin being village. Not enough that I'd stop him from getting lynched, but I don't think I'll be voting for him. I'll review the thread some more.

 

Also, going to vote Wilson for Mayor.

[Elbereth she/her]

Hmph. Fine. Hellscythe. There goes that lead. (Not that he couldn't still be a Darkfriend. But nothing in his response particularly indicated that to me, so I no longer have any basis for suspicion there.)

I'll try to figure out who I want to vote for soon. Probably not Elodin, though. Feels too easy.