Mistrunner Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 It's really great that that third party candidate won the election, right guys? Amazing how he managed to pull that win out of nowhere. Amazing. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamLord_Erith he/him Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Just now, Mistrunner said: It's really great that that third party candidate won the election, right guys? Amazing how he managed to pull that win out of nowhere. Amazing. ??? Whaddaya mean? I'm not realy that uptodate in politics, i am young and have a bedtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, Mistrunner said: It's really great that that third party candidate won the election, right guys? Amazing how he managed to pull that win out of nowhere. Amazing. ALL HAIL PRESIDENT GLOW CLOUD 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I just wonder what would've happened if all those people who were voting for Trump cause "anti-Hillary" and all those voting for Hillary cause "anti-Trump" would have voted for the third party... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowLord_Lith he/him Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Spoiler The stars watched humanity struggle writhe and moan at the ripples coming from their own choices. Didn't they realize what would come? Thought the stars, 'Didn't they pay attention? How can they be sad at their own choice? Don't they know that they will be gone in the blink of an eye? If any one of us was to go out, they would be worried, if their own star died, they would just disappear! And yet, for having lives that are so short, they accomplish so much.' Then the stars realized something about humanity, something they hadn't considered before. 'Humanity, with its destruction and creation, beauty and death, horror and kindness; humanity has survived several of our eye-blinks. Ten thousand years pass each time we blink, yet now we see Obama, now we blink, now we see trump! What has happened? What has caused this change?' And then they discovered a beautiful, terrible, frighteningly amazing truth. The. Ha he was humanity. They that seemed so insignificant, so worthless, so meaningless compared to the infinite of the universe; they had, by their very nature, changed the way that stars perceive time. An infinite of watching and the first thing that any of them truly saw, was humanity on its small blue sphere. 'How?!?' They cried, their despairing confusion evident, 'How could such small creatures be so impossibly vibrant that they change time itself? How can they make it obey them as they do?' And then a whisper came, a whisper from beyond reality. A whisper from a dying god. "They are because they must be. They are capable of impossible things, they can harness and control light and life and even time themselves! All because they are capable of belief. And when one believes and can harness that belief, as mankind can... then they can do anything." And the stars stared in horrified wonder at the tiny, self destructive race that would rule their future. And they hoped and despaired... and they admired. Enjoy my take on that imaginary thing called: "real life". 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honor Spren she/her Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Do not despair! This tragic happening is not the end. He has a bunch of lawsuits coming up, maybe he will be impeached and Pence will act as president. (He seems like a pretty reasonable guy) If that doesn't happen, the rest of the legislation may prevent him from doing anything too idiotic. Next election, us younger generation will be able to vote and we can prevent him from being reelected. Though we may not like this outcome, at least it's finally over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner he/him Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Probably the best thing I've read today, from Nate Silver: Quote Something to remember: Whatever your feelings about the state of the country right now, it’s fundamentally not that different a place whether the final call is that Clinton has narrowly won or narrowly lost. Add just 1 percent to Clinton’s vote share and take 1 percent away from Trump’s, and she would have won Florida and Pennsylvania, therefore would probably have been on her way to a narrow Electoral College victory. This campaign didn't change the people of this country. The people who voted in Donald Trump, they've already been here. You've already lived with them, worked with them, been friends with them. They're not orcs hiding in the mountains, waiting for a time when they can come down and conquer. America hasn't changed overnight, and politics isn't a war of good-guys-vs-bad-guys. A 'bad' election does not signal the end of a country. The first election I voted in, 2008, I voted R (I think I did, at least... they tried to combine me and my twin brother and only let one of us vote), but the Democrats swept the Presidency, House, and Senate. There was serious doom-and-gloom from the right-leaning pundits. Eight years later, there have been some major Democratic victories (Obamacare, gay marriage), but it's not the super-socialist wasteland that was some peoples' worst fears. Same for Trump; there will be some results, most likely in economics and international affairs, that many on the left won't like, but it's not the end of America, the end of democracy. It's not heralding the rise of racism and sexism as acceptable and encouraged behavior. The country is robust. We survived eight years of pie-in-the-sky commie Barack Obama. We survived eight years of frat-boy know-nothing George W. Bush. We survived eight years of the lying sex-maniac Bill Clinton. We survived twelve years of economic-illiterate Ronald Reagan and his elitist out-of-touch successor, George Bush Sr. We'll be able to handle the egotistical idiot racist that is Donald Trump. (For those to whom it isn't abundantly obvious, I'm facetiously referring to each candidate by the worst views the opposition had of them.) 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyperson Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 1 hour ago, TwiLyghtSansSparkles said: ALL HAIL PRESIDENT GLOW CLOUD ALL HAIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magestar he/him Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Pagerunner said: Probably the best thing I've read today, from Nate Silver: This campaign didn't change the people of this country. The people who voted in Donald Trump, they've already been here. You've already lived with them, worked with them, been friends with them. They're not orcs hiding in the mountains, waiting for a time when they can come down and conquer. America hasn't changed overnight, and politics isn't a war of good-guys-vs-bad-guys. A 'bad' election does not signal the end of a country. The first election I voted in, 2008, I voted R (I think I did, at least... they tried to combine me and my twin brother and only let one of us vote), but the Democrats swept the Presidency, House, and Senate. There was serious doom-and-gloom from the right-leaning pundits. Eight years later, there have been some major Democratic victories (Obamacare, gay marriage), but it's not the super-socialist wasteland that was some peoples' worst fears. Same for Trump; there will be some results, most likely in economics and international affairs, that many on the left won't like, but it's not the end of America, the end of democracy. It's not heralding the rise of racism and sexism as acceptable and encouraged behavior. The country is robust. We survived eight years of pie-in-the-sky commie Barack Obama. We survived eight years of frat-boy know-nothing George W. Bush. We survived eight years of the lying sex-maniac Bill Clinton. We survived twelve years of economic-illiterate Ronald Reagan and his elitist out-of-touch successor, George Bush Sr. We'll be able to handle the egotistical idiot racist that is Donald Trump. (For those to whom it isn't abundantly obvious, I'm facetiously referring to each candidate by the worst views the opposition had of them.) This is probably the best outlook I've heard in a while. Thanks for restoring my faith in humanity, by being sensible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zathoth Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 I prefer not having faith in humanity. Its like a great weight is lifted off my shoulders every time I lose it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobold King he/him Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 My brother and I both got a mug of coffee at church. Older guy walked up behind us and said "You better not drink all the coffee or I'll shoot you!" before laughing and walking away. ...it really went from 0 to 100 more quickly than I'm strictly comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaymyth she/her Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 3 hours ago, The Honor Spren said: Do not despair! This tragic happening is not the end. He has a bunch of lawsuits coming up, maybe he will be impeached and Pence will act as president. (He seems like a pretty reasonable guy) If that doesn't happen, the rest of the legislation may prevent him from doing anything too idiotic. Next election, us younger generation will be able to vote and we can prevent him from being reelected. Though we may not like this outcome, at least it's finally over. No. No, he's not. He's really, really not. If anything, Pence terrifies me more than Trump does. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soyperson Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Just now, Kaymyth said: No. No, he's not. He's really, really not. If anything, Pence terrifies me more than Trump does. Me too. The whole "gay conversion therapy" thing seriously simultaneously pisses me off and makes me want to cry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner he/him Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 More of the same sentiment, from President Obama. Emphasis mine. Quote (from that guy we call the President for a few more months) Obama: A lot of our fellow Americans are exultant today. A lot of Americans are less so. But that's the nature of campaigns. That's the nature of democracy. It is hard. And sometimes contentious and noisy. It's not always inspiring. But to the young people who got into politics for the first time, and may be disappointed by the results, I just want you to know, you have to stay encouraged. Don't get cynical. Don't ever think you can't make a difference. As Secretary Clinton said this morning, fighting for what is right is worth it. Sometimes you lose an argument. Sometimes you lose an election. You know, the path this country has taken has never been a straight line. We zig and zag and sometimes we move in ways that some people think is forward and others think is moving back. And that's OK. I've lost elections before. Joe hasn't. But—you know. Biden: You beat me badly. Obama: That's the way politics works sometimes. We try really hard to persuade people that we're right. And then people vote. And then if we lose, we learn from our mistakes, we do some reflection. We lick our wounds, we brush ourselves off. We get back in the arena. We go at it. We try even harder the next time. The point, though, is that we all go forward. With the presumption of good faith in our fellow citizens. Because that presumption of good faith is essential to a vibrant and functioning democracy. That's how this country has moved forward for 240 years. That's how we have pushed boundaries and promoted freedom around the world. That's how we have expanded the rights of our founding to reach all of our citizens. It's how we have come this far. And that's why I'm confident that this incredible journey that we are on, as Americans, will go on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaymyth she/her Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 13 minutes ago, Pagerunner said: More of the same sentiment, from President Obama. Emphasis mine. The problem is that in the meantime, people are going to suffer. LGBT people are going to see their hard-won rights rolled back. The war on women is going to rise again. People depending on the ACA to provide them healthcare for serious, chronic conditions are going to die when the act is repealed. We will move on, and we will win back and rebuild, but people are going to be hurt and killed in the meantime. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobold King he/him Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 32 minutes ago, Pagerunner said: More of the same sentiment, from President Obama. Emphasis mine. Gosh darn it. I hate having to say "Thanks Obama" non-ironically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeromancer he/him Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Hi. Nice to meet you all. I'd like to get two things out of the way before I go on a lecture. 1) I dislike Donald J Trump. He's a bigot, liar, and is unsuited to be President. 2) The only bitter thing I swallowed this morning was a mug of black coffee. The White House is the office of the president, which is the least powerful out of all three branches of government. Least. Yes, the Republicans have Congress, but it's not Donald Trump, it's Republicans from across the country which were voted in by their respective districts and states. They represent the will of the people, and they will be there to stand against corruption if all else fails. Stop pretending this is the end of the world. Stop pretending that racism and bigotry will be allowed to go unchecked, if it is allowed at all. Stop pretending there's a wage gap between men and women. Stop pretending the world will slide into a dark age. Stop pretending that Republicans aren't caring people, and the entirety of the party is made of sexist racist bigots, because it isn't. Anyone who claims to have lost faith in humanity has never had it in the first place. The nature of hope in it of itself is to be the strongest when it should be the weakest. I don't want Donald J Trump as president. I don't want Hilary Clinton as president. But I will tell you that my hope for the future is as strong as its ever been. I am a Republican, and I stand with our government. I don't stand with Trump. I stand with our government of the people, by the people, for the people. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Quote Stop pretending there's a wage gap between men and women Sorry, you lost me there. Inspirational speech failed. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeromancer he/him Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) Fine. Let me try this, then. To quote a politician: "I still believe in America, and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead." Try to guess who said that before looking at the spoiler. Spoiler Hilary Clinton. I'm not joking. It's from her concession speech. Edited November 9, 2016 by aeromancer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 Just now, aeromancer said: Fine. Let me try this, then. To quote a politician: "I still believe in America, and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead." Try to guess who said that before looking at the spoiler. Hide contents Hilary Clinton. It could be the terrible mood I'm in, but you're coming across as rather combative and condescending right now. Ironically, I did agree with a fair amount of your initial post. I don't see Republicans as evil; they're simply people I tend to disagree with on some issues. I do think America will get through this; I just, like Kaymyth said, think there will be casualties. And as a queer woman, I do see a Trump presidency as a threat to my rights. I'm more than willing to discuss all this, but based on the tone you're taking, I don't know if I want to discuss it with you right now. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaymyth she/her Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 2 minutes ago, aeromancer said: Fine. Let me try this, then. To quote a politician: "I still believe in America, and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead." Try to guess who said that before looking at the spoiler. Reveal hidden contents Hilary Clinton. I'm not joking. It's from her concession speech. The craziest part about all this is that thanks to the archaic madness that is the Electoral College, Clinton won the popular vote but not the election. Do we have to deal with a future where Trump is the president for the next four years? Absolutely. But I am under no obligation to be happy about it. I have both the right and the reason to worry. LGBT rights are going to be rolled back. The ACA is going to be repealed, and people are going to die because of it. I have a right to be upset about these things. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 As someone from another country my concern is less that Trump is going to nuke mexico and turn all women into sex slaves and more just kind of terror that a majority of the country actually elected him as their representative. Whatever he does or does not do, people from other countries will judge the rest of the us based on him. And while i do believe that most republicans aren't women hating racists there is a certain amount of institutional sexism and racism in the party. (See above comment about the wage gap) Doesn't make the people themselves bad but good people can create bad policy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aeromancer he/him Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) I disagree with points both of you are making. I have no objection to have a clean discussion of politics, nor to an argument. I also understand that there are a lot of Americans who had a bad morning. I'm not sure this thread is the right place to have this discussion either. However, if you're going to attempt to cut my thunder by nitpicking and mocking one line, then I feel a need to clarify. EDIT: Popular vote is meaningless for two reasons. One, because it's not what wins the election. Harsh, but true. Two, because many people in New York, California, and actually people in far right states didn't vote for Trump because their vote wouldn't have done anything. If the US vote was pure populous, I know a lot of people who didn't vote Trump that would've. Edited November 9, 2016 by aeromancer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 (edited) 3 minutes ago, aeromancer said: I disagree with points both of you are making. I have no objection to have a clean discussion of politics, nor to an argument. I also understand that there are a lot of Americans who had a bad morning. I'm not sure this thread is the right place to have this discussion either. However, if you're going to attempt to cut my thunder by nitpicking and mocking one line, then I feel a need to clarify. If you think our comments are mocking and nitpicking, then this is not the right place for you. We disagree. We discuss. But we know mocking when we see it, and there has been none of that in this thread so far. You are welcome to share your opinions in any way you see fit, but this is the last I will comment on them. Edited November 9, 2016 by TwiLyghtSansSparkles 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honor Spren she/her Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 1 hour ago, Kaymyth said: No. No, he's not. He's really, really not. If anything, Pence terrifies me more than Trump does. Oof. sorry. I forgot about the conversion therapy stuff. I meant it as in "more trustworthy with nuclear codes" kind of reasonable. Please don't be mad at me. I hate confrontation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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