Quick Fix Game 15: Death Note

[Haelbarde he/him]

Secondly, We need some Police protection on L pronto. The best plan I've come up with to do that is this. L targets Me, learns that I'm Innocent. He contacts me, and on day two, police and murderers reveal themselves to me. I pass their names onto L, and ask the Police to always protect him. I am killed, by either the murderers or the Lynch on day two. Because otherwise, Ryuk would convert me, and I would tell him the names of everyone. (Yes I'm volunteering to be killed 48 hours from now.(Unless someone else would prefer to do that)) What do you guys think of such a plan?

My problem with this plan is that you could be holding a Death Note, and are just baiting all the village roles into contacting you. Sure, you'd die, but if you got all the police and murderers to claim to you, the Ryuk knows exactly how to cripple the town, and gets to convert a replacement (now made easier by the fact they know who to avoid). 

 

Alv: If Ryuk or the death note holder have not personally killed anyone yet, do they come up as guilty to a scan by L?

 

At this point, I'd rather L scans someone, and then uses them as an representative from day 2. Depending on the answer to my question, that seems like it's less danger fraught. 

 

Re: Lynch - I'd rather we lynch, even day 1. And I'm with Lopen - while it'd be nice if L could find Ryuk, based on my experience having a scanning role, you can't rely on them to find them. 

 

More thoughts coming later after I've eaten.

[AliasSheep]

Another thing. Even if Joe us a civilian as he claims, it's possible for Ryuk to kill the current holder after Joe finds out the names of the police and murderers, and then take Joe as a holder. The shifting nature of the holder means having any one person who has all the information is incredibly dangerous, especially if everyone knows who this person is.

[Bugsy he/him]

I propose that everyone willing to sacrifice themselves to help the village publicly volunteer to take part in this plan, allowing L to choose who to scan randomly without the risk of noncompliance. This will work much better the more volunteers we get

Plan:

C1: L chooses and scans a random volunteer

C2: Nothing, to allow L a second scanning day in case he turns up an elim

C3: Messages volunteer, who collects names of murderers + cops, and forwards them to L

C3 part 2: Volunteer is killed

As a show of good faith, I volunteer as tribute

Edited May 9, 2016 by Bugsy6912

[RippleGylf she/her]

There is no way for this plan to work without publicly revealing who the center of the plan is.

[AliasSheep]

I propose that everyone willing to sacrifice themselves to help the village publicly volunteer to take part in this plan, allowing L to choose who to scan randomly without the risk of noncompliance. This will work much better the more volunteers we get

Plan:

C1: L chooses and scans a random volunteer

C2: Nothing, to allow L a second scanning day in case he turns up an elim

C3: Messages volunteer, who collects names of murderers + cops, and forwards them to L

C3 part 2: Volunteer is killed

As a show of good faith, I volunteer as tribute

This still has the issue of one person having all of the names and roles, which would then be easily gained by Ryuk by giving the person the death note. The only way this would work is if we had a confirmed police officer take the names and then give them to L.

[AliasSheep]

I just realised that Joe meant killed by murderers. Yes, that might solve that problem.

[Bugsy he/him]

There is no way for this plan to work without publicly revealing who the center of the plan is.

This still has the issue of one person having all of the names and roles, which would then be easily gained by Ryuk by giving the person the death note. The only way this would work is if we had a confirmed police officer take the names and then give them to L.

Assuming the center of the plan is killed the same day they reveal themselves, there is a minuscule chance of conversion

Edited May 9, 2016 by Bugsy6912

[Arraenae]

How do you know that Ryuk wouldn't fakeclaim as police? Joe

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

 

How do you know that Ryuk wouldn't fakeclaim as police? Joe

Because Ryuk can't take risks. Once Ryuk dies, we win. Of course, his Holder could easily fake claim to be police. However, as I said here, I'll only provide L's name to the officer currently leading the protection detail. If multiple people claim as such, I'll give neither the name. L will instead investigate one. If that one shows up innocent, we'll kill the other.

 

ALVRON, a few questions. Can there be multiple L's? Can Ryuk kill his holder and get a new Holder on the same turn?

[AliasSheep]

How do you know that Ryuk wouldn't fakeclaim as police? Joe

That's why we have L check them.

Also, L, could you contact me (take the time to check my innocence if you'd like, I don't mind), I have an idea I'd like to run past you.

Edited May 9, 2016 by AliasSheep

[Master Elodin]

Well if L has a group that they trust, they can pull a Lind L. Tailor on Ryuk.

[AliasSheep]

Because Ryuk can't take risks. Once Ryuk dies, we win. Of course, his Holder could easily fake claim to be police. However, as I said here, I'll only provide L's name to the officer currently leading the protection detail. If multiple people claim as such, I'll give neither the name. L will instead investigate one. If that one shows up innocent, we'll kill the other.

ALVRON, a few questions. Can there be multiple L's? Can Ryuk kill his holder and get a new Holder on the same turn?

Right, thaat police officer.

[LUNA]

And the pages of RP end....

 

I think that plan could work... I'm still not sure how well it would work with one person knowing the police officer's roles and L... i can't really see a huge flaw now, but these things always seem work well on paper and less so when actually acted out.

 

But for now, I would say it's probably the best option we have.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

To answer a question asked in a PM, yes, I did send the exact same PM to everyone less than an Hour after the game started. You can ask anyone, and they'll confirm it. I'm replying in the thread to prove accountability.

Edited May 9, 2016 by The Only Joe

[Master Elodin]

Yeah, I'm not so sure about centralizing information at all, but here are three reasons that Joe would enact this plan.

1. He is Ryuk/Holder, trying to get as much info as possible.

2. He is L/a police officer, immune to corruption.

3. He is a villager making a risky choice.

I haven't played much with Joe, so I'll leave it up to all of you to decide which one is most like him.

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Well, from what i've seen from Joe, he does like his info gathering... But villager or not, his idea does have merit so idk. I'm leaning towards Villager making a risky choice, because if he's Ryuk/Holder, he would be signing up for his death early. I would think an evil folk would likely want to stay around longer. Though. I guess the holder can just be replaced afterwards, but by that point Ryuk would have been told everything and can pass it on to the next holder... Personally, i think it's 1 or 3.

[AliasSheep]

Yeah, I'm not so sure about centralizing information at all, but here are three reasons that Joe would enact this plan.

1. He is Ryuk/Holder, trying to get as much info as possible.

2. He is L/a police officer, immune to corruption.

3. He is a villager making a risky choice.

I haven't played much with Joe, so I'll leave it up to all of you to decide which one is most like him.

The last seems the most likely.  1 doesn't seem likely at all, given that L would be checking his innocence beforehand.

[Arraenae]

If Joe was L/a police officer, he probably wouldn't offer himself up for the murderer kill. If you're L/a police officer, don't offer yourself up for the murderers either. We need you.

 

If you're a murderer, I suggest not wantonly killing people, because you don't want to become Ryuk's honorary second kill.

[Amanuensis he/him]

"Konbanwa, hajimemashite Kurimura Yushi-desu, yoroshiku onegaishimasu."

 

Introductions aside, here are my thoughts on everything that's been discussed so far. I am opposed to any plans that involve mass role reveals. I believe that decision should be up to each individual, so with that being said I will be keeping my ability (or lack there of) a secret. I am somewhat suspicious of Joe for advocating this plan as well as the fact that he did not initially acknowledge that there might be a Death Note Holder already. I would not be surprised if he himself is a holder and is attempting to sacrifice himself for Ryuk's benefit. I doubt this is the case because Joe has done something very similar before as a villager (I believe it was QF10 where he sent PMs to everyone asking what items / how much atium that he began with). Does that mean he can't be evil? No. My instincts are just telling me otherwise.

 

Personally I hate seeker roles in games. I always feel like they weaken discussion by encouraging people to wait and see what happens rather than act on their own suspicions preemptively. So while I have no qualms with being scanned I would also prefer it if you searched elsewhere for enemies, L. Consider this me NOT volunteering to be some sort of sacrificial figurehead, as Bugsy suggested.

 

I am going to try something new this game and vote to lynch someone every day. During my absence I've decided to reevaluate my play style and am keen to try something new and to see how people react to the change. I've checked to see who all has posted so far and it appears that this turn there are 10 players out of 21 who have not spoken up. Instead of voting for any of them I'm going to vote for Lopen, however. Have you happened upon any killer notebooks lately?

 

Just for reference here are the ten players who haven't posted yet.

 

Metacognition

Mailliw73

Cloudjumper

Conquest​or EDIT: Posted right after me

Trelagist

ThatTinyStrawMan

DeathClutch19

Hellscythe

Weaving Webs

Mark IV EDIT: Voted for me, the meaniehead :[

 

EDITED FOR VOTE TALLY:

 

(2) Lopen: Elbereth, Amanuensis

(1) Bugsy: Lopen

(1) Joe: Arraenae

Edited May 9, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Conquestor he/him]

Well if we can find someone who is for sure a officer, then we can have him do what Joe is offering to do, but the officer is immune to becoming a death note holder so we would wait until he was killed to worry.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Arraenae, I'm uncertain as to why you originally voted for me:

How do you know that Ryuk wouldn't fakeclaim as police? Joe

Was it because you thought this was a flaw? Or Something else? Either way, I'd like to know why you haven't retracted your vote on me. vote on me.

[Arraenae]

Arraenae, I'm uncertain as to why you originally voted for me:

Was it because you thought this was a flaw? Or Something else? Either way, I'd like to know why you haven't retracted your vote on me. vote on me.

 

I thought it was a flaw with your plan, and I wanted to see how people would respond.

 

Also, for the murders out there: iit might not be a good idea to kill an inactive. The eliminator team this game is only two people at a time, and it's unlikely that Ryuk will be inactive, since it is the big eliminator role. Even if Ryuk is inactive, chances are that you'll take out a lot of innocent people before hitting Ryuk.

[Mark IV he/him]

Hey everyone! Sorry for my absence in these 24 hours on this thread. Life has been a bit busy.

I know I said I was going to sleep on the other thread, but then I remembered to post on this thread once.

That said, Aman. Your declaration of a new playstyle seems to me to be an excuse for a change in your playstyle.

That's a very nice reason to make people discredit their guts by saying - "obviously, this is not his normal playstyle, so my gut is jus paranoid right now. "

I know this vote doesn't have much behind it, but it's something I thought I'd point out, and so I decided to make my point via a vote.

Zzzzzzz...

Edited May 9, 2016 by Mark IV

[Amanuensis he/him]

It's cool; at least I can take you off the inactive list now.

 

Going to sleep this early in the evening? Gotta wake up early for something, eh?

 

I wondered who would be the first to jump on me for this. Oh well, I have no comment other than the fact that you're wrong.

 

If someone's got a reason to suspect me at any point I ask they address it so I can offer a rebuttal.

 

I just hope that it'll be for a reason more substantial than this.

 

Yaaaaawn....

Edited May 9, 2016 by Amanuensis

[Mailliw73 he/him]

I'm split on this plan. I don't like it. It might work. I vote NO.

I also don't recommend L scan Joe. It's very possible that's he's a Holder. If he is, he'd draw both protection away from a villager as well as L checking someone else. At that point, he'd have wasted an entire cycle for us and have given Ryuk some information.

Alv, do players given the Death Note keep their role?