asterion137 he/him Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Could the sphere allow someone to pick up Honor, like the sphere from Secret History did for Preservation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 Could the sphere allow someone to pick up Honor, like the sphere from Secret History did for Preservation? It's impossible, first of all I don't think the two Sphere were the same kind of tool but mostly Honor is Splintered, you can't pick up it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 (edited) An idea I've entertained for a while is that much like normal spheres, which contain Stormlight, perhaps Gavilar's Black Sphere contains a counterpart to Stormlight - Voidlight? - that could be used to fuel Voidbinding. Edited April 24, 2016 by Varangian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Espella Posted April 24, 2016 Report Share Posted April 24, 2016 So from what I can tell from the Coppermind (haven't read WoK in a while), Szeth took the sphere and hid it in Jah Keved. In WoR Taravangian becomes king of Jah Keved. The long string of numbers in the Diagram ("Pattern 15") translates to "Hold the secret that broke the Knights Radiant. You may need it to destroy the new Orders when they return." Any chance these might be connected? Or have I just been staring at the Diagram for too long? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) Also, it's a black sphere (yes, thank me for pointing out the obvious). What Shardic color corresponds to black? Not Odium. That's red. No, black is Ruin's color. Just a crazy, crazy idea. So from what I can tell from the Coppermind (haven't read WoK in a while), Szeth took the sphere and hid it in Jah Keved. In WoR Taravangian becomes king of Jah Keved. The long string of numbers in the Diagram ("Pattern 15") translates to "Hold the secret that broke the Knights Radiant. You may need it to destroy the new Orders when they return." Any chance these might be connected? Or have I just been staring at the Diagram for too long? That's very interesting. I've never had much respect for the Diagram, though. Maybe I should. Perhaps it enables Voidbinding, which could be used to destroy the Orders? Edited April 25, 2016 by Varangian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I believe black is also the color of corrupted investiture, right? Like the stuff that comes out of Nightblood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel he/him Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Yes, but "corrupted" could just mean a mixture of Investiture, so I am not sure how much we should read into the color. Could be something Honor and Cultivation related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Yes, but "corrupted" could just mean a mixture of Investiture, so I am not sure how much we should read into the color. Could be something Honor and Cultivation related. Or it may contain a mixture of H&C&O's Investiture, because if I don't remember wrong, we know from WoB that the Sphere has Odium's Investiture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel he/him Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 If that's the case, then it could also be just H+O. Wonder if it's tied to how Odium killed Honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII he/him Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Odium is trapped on Braize by Honor and has been for thousands of years similarily to the Well of Ascension trapping Ruin, I thought the heavily Invested Black Sphere functioned as maybe a key to his prison. I always pictured Odiums colour as Black or Red.. They usually strike me as angry or evil colours... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blightsong he/him Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Odium is trapped on Braize by Honor and has been for thousands of years similarily to the Well of Ascension trapping Ruin, I thought the heavily Invested Black Sphere functioned as maybe a key to his prison. I always pictured Odiums colour as Black or Red.. They usually strike me as angry or evil colours... Ruin was only able to be trapped because he was a perfect opposite to Preservation. There is a WoB saying that Ruin wasn't technically trapped, but was made impotent because the power of Preservation could block out whatever he did perfectly. I don't think this could happen with Honor and Odium, not only for the reasons above, but also because Honor is splintered, and Odium definitly was not powerless or trapped during the times when Honor want splintered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 It could happen. But then, that requires that Odium's Intent is to divide and separate things, as opposed to Honor's Intent of uniting and bringing things together. It's not outside the realms of possibility; it could even be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blightsong he/him Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Thathe depends on how they both have interpreted the intent of their powers. The thing that gives me pause to this, however, is Brandon has said that Honor and Odium could go well together. We'lll see what happened eventually, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 That's interesting, do you have the WoB quoted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blightsong he/him Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 That's interesting, do you have the WoB quoted? Here you go. INTERVIEW: Feb 17th, 2016 Calamity-Seattle QUESTION What Shard is the opposite of Odium in the sense of the [board? Borg?] BRANDON SANDERSON There are several that could be considered opposite-- QUESTION I mean in the assimilation sense, you’ve said that Odium doesn’t want to absorb any of the other ones but which one would want to? BRANDON SANDERSON Oh, which one would want to join with him? QUESTION Or any of them. BRANDON SANDERSON *pause* I think that *long pause/picks up after next question* I think that if personalities had been different, Honor and Odium, there would have been a very natural pairing, not that they’re opposites but they would have attracted. TAGS Odium, Honor, shards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argel he/him Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 I read that as implying the vessel could have been good matches. It did not sound like the Intents independent of respective vessels would be good matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blightsong he/him Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Actually, reading it again, it seems more so like Brandon was implying that with diffrent vessels they could have possibly been something similar to opposites. Brandon had said before that Ruin and Preservation were attracted to each other because they are opposites. The wording, however, proves my point. Apperently the personalities of these shards have stopped this from happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vissy Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 If I read this right, it weakly supports the idea that Honor and Odium have opposing Intents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blightsong he/him Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Is there a place where we can see that? I'm just curious on the exact wording, especially since I thought black was Ruin's color. If you go to the Oddesey Con event thread my report is on the first page. It's in there somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweetLift she/her Posted June 23, 2016 Report Share Posted June 23, 2016 On 4/18/2016 at 5:22 AM, ParadoxSpren said: My idea is that the sphere is a Dawnshard, capable of binding anything, either voidish or mortal, and the reason for it's appearance is but cause it imprisons one of the Unmqwde I was just going to make a theory that the sphere is a Dawnshard! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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