Mid-Range Game 13: Treachery on the Terris Peaks

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

Mailliw is excellent at gathering information, so it may be that they decided to kill him over Mark for that. I don't know though, I usually don't read a lot into early kills like these, and in Mail's case, it's not out of the ordinary.

 

Also, welcome back Kynedath.

 

Hey DeathClutch, any thoughts on the game so far?

Yeah Lopen, I have a thought a or two. I think that Elodin is bad just because Maill was pushing him to get lynched and then the evil team weirdly decides to kill him over Mark which in my opinion is a bad move unless Maill found out information, like Elodin being evil for example.

 

I'm at work right now, but I managed to read through the majority of the game, so I have a better idea of what's going on.

Deathclutch, I'm assuming you and Mailliw had a PM, being the budddies you are. Did he indicate anything that might have lead to his death? if not, then I'd assume he was killed for being Mailliw.

Also, remember to Tap Brass today people. I don't want half of us freezing to death.

 

Yes, we talked and the only thing he said really was that he was pretty sure Elodin was evil. Which again if he actually is Evil would make sense why Maill was killed over Mark.

[Master Elodin]

Yeah Lopen, I have a thought a or two. I think that Elodin is bad just because Maill was pushing him to get lynched and then the evil team weirdly decides to kill him over Mark which in my opinion is a bad move unless Maill found out information, like Elodin being evil for example.

 

 

Yes, we talked and the only thing he said really was that he was pretty sure Elodin was evil. Which again if he actually is Evil would make sense why Maill was killed over Mark.

I know that this looks bad but why would I kill him, as it obviously would draw attention to myself. Also, if I were an eliminator, I probably wouldn't be scared by one gut hunch, since he couldn't have confirmed that I was bad definitively in a game without scanners.

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

I know that this looks bad but why would I kill him, as it obviously would draw attention to myself. Also, if I were an eliminator, I probably wouldn't be scared by one gut hunch, since he couldn't have confirmed that I was bad definitively in a game without scanners.

Well Maill has been known to get people lynched so it would make sense to get him off your back. Also it draws attention to yourself yes, but you can easily argue against it like you are doing now because its not a good play or because there is no scanner. All in all it's a pretty safe and sensible kill though.

[Master Elodin]

Well Maill has been known to get people lynched so it would make sense to get him off your back. Also it draws attention to yourself yes, but you can easily argue against it like you are doing now because its not a good play or because there is no scanner. All in all it's a pretty safe and sensible kill though.

And I would know that you would take this exact thought process! "He did it because that's what an eliminator wouldn't do" is what you all think the moment you get suspicious of someone.

[Bugsy he/him]

I agree that Elodin is looking pretty suspicious, although I'm not entirely convinced the Eliminators would make such an obvious play; they could be trying to manipulate a vote onto him. I'm just voting on him to get things done, we've had no success in garnering the 3 necessary votes to lynch someone, so at this point we're basically just letting the eliminators pick us off one by one.

[Trelagist]

Actually, I'm pretty suspicious of Elodin right now, as the eliminators actually held off on killing Mark, who is now much more valuable of a target than he was before Arraenae died, and killed Mailliw instead. Now, most people would write that off as misdirection, but then why did the eliminator team kill Arraenae in the first place? They practically wasted a kill on Arraenae, but they have to have reasoned out that 1 Companion is not much worse than two. The reason they killed Arr was one (or more) of these three things: They were afraid of us having a relatively experienced Companion, they were planning to kill both Companions, or they knew Arr suspected one of them to be an Eliminator (really unlikely). If Option 2 is true, that means they felt they HAD to kill Maill, for some reason. Option 1 probably means that the Eliminators are inexperienced themselves, and Option 3 is so unlikely that it's probably wisest to ignore it. Even if it were the case, that would take us back to square one, and assuming O1-2 and having a miniscule risk of killing someone baselessly has to be better than trying to win blindfolded anyway.

Edited April 24, 2016 by Trelagist

[yafeshan he/him]

I will vote on Elodin but I still want to learn how Mailiw found about him. I can understand that the way you talk in thread/pm some people are able to make good guess with experience. If Mailiw is that good as you say, I can believe but need a little more than that.

 

I want to say a little more about previous discussion since it is also related to Elodin. Pewter is completely aggressive power and do not provide any defensive benefit as far as I understand from rules. Any person storing it can not have any benevolent intent. I can understand random lynch to find about people because people discuss on that but I believe random kills do not help loyals most of the time. May be this is base of Mailiw's reasoning. 

 

This cycle is also a good opportunity for eliminators to attack without any counter, I expect most people will be using up their action to tap brass. Is it really takes an action point so we can not do anything else? 

[Elbereth she/her]

The writeup is posted, if you hadn't noticed! Disclaimer: The chicken was not my idea.

Also, clarification: Falls will be implied in the writeups, but not outright stated, and whether they were saved by iron/steel or not will not be revealed.

[Mark IV he/him]

Hmmm. Time for some info to come out.

During everyone's info reporting to me, I noticed elodin had reported starting with only a charge gold.

Since everyone started with 3 charges, and it is also mentioned in the rules, I thought elodin was hiding something. And, only someone who is an eliminator would do that.

So, I initiated a plan to see whether he would lie again. I'll admit, this plan actually was to catch a few other eliminators. The way that would work was that the person who didn't do their job, yet still reported the expected findings would be bad.

So, the plan went like this- (this plan happened last cycle)

Luckat scans elodin with bronze.

Lopen scans elodin with bronze.

In case I die, both of them send their scans to Maill.

In case I didn't die, both of them would send the results to me.

All luckat knew was that she was to send the scan to Maill if I died.. She did not know about lopen also scanning Elodin.

All Lopen knew was the same as luckat. He didn't know about luckat scanning elodin.

Maill knew of this whole plan. I'd begun to trust him by then.

I'd told Burnt to suspect luckat and lopen if Maill and I'd died. And, I'd told her to lynch elodin in such an event.

The purpose of scanning elodin with two people was that -

1) the lying person would be caught red - handed.

2) to make sure they didn't just fabricate results without scanning.

Both Lopen and luckat did as asked, and the result was as expected.

Elodin later claimed, upon being asked, that he'd omitted two charges from his starting charges as he thought they were unimportant. This is highly suspect to me. I think one of his eliminator teammates told him to correct this information, but only if he was specifically asked by me.

Either way, I believe Maill was not killed due to his involvement in this plan. Instead, he was killed for some other reason.

My reason for telling this is not really clear to me either, except to explain my suspicion of elodin. But, I feel this information should be out in the public.

If anyone has any theories, or info relating to this, please make it public, or tell me about it personally. This might be my last cycle alive.

Oh! And I mostly trust luckat. And, I believe someone in on the plan is an eliminator. Most probably Lopen. But I'm not too sure about him being evil. So, if I die, don't go on and lynch him just because I said so.

Phew. That's all for now.

Elodin, if you're good, I'm sorry for lynching you. But,I tend to give people a lot of benefit of doubt, which is a bad thing many a times. And, your death also gives us/me a lot of information.

Edited April 24, 2016 by Mark IV

[STINK he/him]

That's a weird plan.

[Mark IV he/him]

A MESSAGE TO EVERYONE :

Unless you're tapping brass this turn, send me a PM about what you're tapping this turn.

Also, send me a PM telling me what you tapped last turn. (Unless you've already done so)

Don't omit ANY info.

To eliminators: You can come out any time now.

[Master Elodin]

By lynching me you are making a very big mistake.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Sorry for my inactivity! I've been busy these last two days and haven't had the time(or computer) to get on. I'll  try to catch up on everything   later tonight.

 

DeathClutch.

[DeathClutch19 he/him]

By lynching me you are making a very big mistake.

Why? I am certainly up for lynching someone else if you have better info or suspicions

[Master Elodin]

Well it seems to me that luckat has been talking a lot but not talking about any of his suspicions at all. This seems like something an eliminator would do, as not talking about other people much and not voting gives village the least info.

Edited April 25, 2016 by Master Elodin

[Burnt Spaghetti she/her]

Elodin is definitely the one I'm currently most suspicious of but he already has 4? votes,.

hm. So far none of our lynchs have gained us any info because they were merely left behind. I feel like we could at least learn something by lynching Elodin.

I know last minute votes are typically frowned on, but give me some slack-I only recently woke up....

Elodin (if you are good, then I'm sorry.

[luckat she/her]

I’m really sorry about not posting earlier this cycle.
 
Vote Tally:
Elodin (5): Deathclutch, Bugsy, yafeshan, Mark, Burnt
luckat (1): Elodin

There’s already 5 votes on Elodin, which is enough to lynch him unless everyone is storing bronze. Here’s the main arguments against him: he was storing Pewter (which is more beneficial for eliminators), Maill died instead of Mark after expressing suspicions of him, and he left out important information when talking to Mark. Elodin’s main defense has been that an eliminator wouldn’t pull such obviously eliminator moves as publicly storing Pewter or killing someone who suspected him. While that is something to take into consideration, the fact that Elodin has been using that defense from the moment he mentioned storing Pewter makes me look askance at it. If he thinks it is as good a defense as he seems to, I’m reluctant to take it as much of a defense.

In addition to the above, Elodin’s vote on Strawman after Strawman posted seemed like bandwagoning. Also, Elodin seems to care more about surviving than helping find eliminators, which feels more like an eliminator desire than a village one.

On the other hand, this lynch seems to be going through without opposition. That is often a hint that the eliminators are fine with the lynch selection. If Elodin is an eliminator, his fellows haven’t put forth effort to save him. It’s possible they think defending him isn’t worth it, but it’s also possible we’re wrong.

Having said that, it is way too late to reasonably change the direction of the lynch. Since there has been a lot of discussion centered around Elodin, I think learning his alignment will be very beneficial. I’m not certain enough of him to add to the lynch train, and the lynch looks sure enough that I don’t have to anyway.

As for other suspicions, I somewhat suspect Bugsy and yafeshan for following others’ votes (on Strawman last cycle and Elodin this cycle) without giving strong reasons of their own. I think I somewhat trust Phatt for promoting discussion the first two cycles.
 

Elodin is definitely the one I'm currently most suspicious of but he already has 4? votes,.
hm. So far none of our lynchs have gained us any info because they were merely left behind. I feel like we could at least learn something by lynching Elodin.
I know last minute votes are typically frowned on, but give me some slack-I only recently woke up....
Elodin (if you are good, then I'm sorry.

 
Last minute votes that change the results are frowned on. Last minute additions to already solid lynches aren't exactly encouraged, but they aren't frowned on either.

[Elbereth she/her]

The turn is over! Writeup will be posted soon.

[Elbereth she/her]

Cycle 4: Just You Wait, Tindomë

Michek stood outside Alendi’s tent, rubbing his eyes in weariness. He’d been pulling double duty ever since Asmode died, and he wasn’t used to this little sleep.

He peered into the darkness. They’d found a cave to shelter in for the night, so it was even darker than usual. And the Deepness pervaded everything, making his duty even more difficult.

Then something horrible loomed out of the fog, long-nosed and sharp-toothed. He gasped, and promptly fainted in horror.

Alfred nudged at his prone body. “Michek? Michek? Oh, I’ll just go ask Tindomë. I didn’t want to wake her, but you seem to have fallen asleep, so it’d be equally bad to wake either of you, but Tindomë’s the sensible one, so I’ll just ask her.” This train of thought carried out, he went trotting back to Tindomë’s tent, leaving Michek alone outside Alendi’s tent.

A dark figure had watched the whole exchange. Stealthily, it walked over to Michek’s fallen body, and quickly stabbed downwards, directly into the heart, while holding a hand over Michek’s mouth.

Michek never even made a sound.

The figure stood, and hesitated, glancing at Alendi’s tent, invitingly vulnerable.

But no. Tindomë followed him utterly. If they killed Alendi now, she might try to go after the Well to complete his duties, and she would go on her own. There’d be much less chance of stopping her then, and killing her now, in the middle of her followers, seemed unwise.

The figure turned and faded into the night.

---

Tindomë woke to a commotion. As usual.

This time, as it turned out, there were two reasons for the commotion.

The first was that Michek was dead. Not a surprise, she supposed. It was most unfortunate that there was no one else she could trust in the camp, but there was nothing she could do about it, and Michek hadn’t been that close to her anyway. She moved on.

The second reason was that the ground was covered with tiny, hopping mushrooms.

“Huh,” Alfred said, picking one up in his teeth and absently munching on it, ignoring its wriggling. “These weren’t here when I went to check on Michek last night. Hey, that rhymes!”

Everyone else stared at him. Naurvessa, carrying several packs, stumbled and fell, scattering food everywhere.

“You went to check on Michek last night?” Tindomë said. “The same night that he died?”

“Huh? What?” He dropped the mushroom. “Oh. I mean- No, of course not. I went nowhere near Michek last night!” He laughed nervously. “Just slept tight and didn’t bother anyone. That’s me, quiet and unassuming.”

Tindomë glared at him. “Did you murder Michek?”

“No!” he yelped. “I didn’t have anything to do with it!” Then he clamped his mouth shut, and she couldn’t get another word out of him.

Finally, she pronounced, “Alfred. I’m sorry, but you must leave this expedition. No one accused of murder, especially murder of Alendi’s friend, may come, not when there is danger to Alendi himself if you stay.”

Alfred’s head drooped. “But- I want to come! Think of the adventure! The glory!”

“The fact that you might die by staying here?”

His ears perked up in alarm, as if he hadn’t even thought of the concept. “They’d kill me? A poor, innocent alpaca?”

“Yes. They most certainly would, if they needed you out of the way. But it doesn’t matter. You are banished from this group. Go back to the city, or go find your fellow alpacas out in the wilderness. I don’t care.”

He sighed, and turned, head down in sadness. “Fine, then. Goodbye. It was nice knowing you. I’ll just go starve, then. You’ll remember me later, when you find my bones on the trail back. ‘We sent him off’, you’ll say. ‘We sent him to his death’, you’ll say, when you see there’s only a stack of bones left. And then you’ll remember me, oh yes. Then you’ll remember!”

She looked at him in irritation, then scooped up a roll of bread that Naurvessa had missed and tossed it, which he somehow nimbly caught in his teeth. “Take it and go away, you miserable llama!”

“Hey! I’ll not have you insulting me that way, man-thing! I’m an alpaca!”

She turned and waved for everyone to pack up camp. It was time to go.

---

Elodin was a Villager!
Mark was a Companion!
Strawman has caught up to the group!

Vote Count:
Elodin (5): Deathclutch, Bugsy, yafeshan, Mark, Burnt
luckat (1): Elodin

Cycle 4 has begun. You have 48 hours to send in actions and decide who to lynch.

Player List

 

1. Master Elodin - Alfred - Loyal Terrisman
2. Kynedath - Zinjuli (Zin) Grey
3. Burnt Spaghetti - Naurvessa Ghetti
4. Yafeshan - Meardih
5. Mark - Michek - Companion
6. Mailliw73 - Misan - Loyal Terrisman
7. Phattemer - Dyfwyl
8. ThatTinyStrawMan - Germinating Mushroom (shortened to GM for obvious reasons)
9. Deathclutch - Killua Zoldyk
10. Trelagist - Trelagist
11. Macen - Malcen
12. Arrenae - Asmode - Companion
13. Bugsy6912 - Kholwa
14. Paranoid King - Kajundi
15. IrulelikeSTINK
16. Lopen - Talion
17. The Only Joe - Jonly
18. Clanky

Edited November 11, 2016 by Alvron

[luckat she/her]

At the end of last cycle, Mark requested that I post his list of who claimed to have Pewter if he died. However, I don’t know why he wanted me to post that list and I’m not 100% sure that it is the best idea since it would give the eliminators useful information. While we all know he was good, that doesn’t necessarily mean all his decisions are best, and he seemed rushed when he mentioned it. So I’m going to leave the decision to all of you. Knowing that I have this information, should I share it publicly?

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Well, how many players are on the list? if it's more than 5, then there are probably a few eliminators on there, but if it's only two or three, then any eliminators who stored Pewter probably lied to Mark, so that list is simply players who decided to be vigs. (They should be watched all the same though.)  And did Mark indicate that any of the players had two stores of Pewter?

 

Either way, you do need to tell someone you trust the list. We can't afford to lose any information, and Mark painted a target on your shoulders by trusting you.

 

That said, if anyone else has info from mark, do not announce it in the thread, tell it someone you trust, or Luckat, and have them announce it. It's hard to clear people, so we want to keep the cleared people hidden. assuming eliminators spent both their non-brass cycles storing pewter, the eliminators could have up to 6 kills today, at worst. (I'm assuming there won't be more than 5 eliminators, and even that's pushing it.)

[luckat she/her]

There's 4 living, and most of them are indicated to have started with Pewter rather than having stored it. Yes, people with two stores were indicated. Unfortunately, I do not think C2 or C3 actions are very well accounted for in what he gave me, so it isn't very good for showing who is storing Pewter. I do not plan to let the info die with me.

 

Edit: Green flowers

Edited April 25, 2016 by luckat

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Luckat, I think it's mostly up to you about what information you reveal. If you think the information is relevant to right now, then you might want to reveal it(if not all of it, at least the information you think may be important to be widely known). But if you have a plan for making certain the information reaches the thread if necessary, then I think holding on to the information and not letting the eliminators get it is a good idea.

[yafeshan he/him]

I think its good to hold information. There is no reason to give eliminators any specific target.

[Paranoid King he/him]

If the eliminators stored pewter, I imagine they wouldn't tell Mark about it, so I don't think knowing that list is essential for the villagers. If anything, the person who stored pewter after the start is likely loyal, because eliminators wouldn't tell Mark that they're storing a kill ability.