Question 19

[The Swan Dragon he/him]

...Am I the only one who thinks "Love Triangle" would be a great name for an epic?

 

damnation, I still have to make a Salem post or two, but now I'm trying to come up with an epic that that name works for. And since Sentry is Epic!Starlight Glimmer, I'm thinking Love Triangle would be epic!Cadance and urgh. You guys. 

Give me three hours (I'm busy af) and I'll have a rough draft.

[Quiver he/him]

And don't forget Lyra.

 

I have plans for Lyra.

 

Seriously, I have actual plans for Vanilla Lyra-Bon Bon expies. 

Lyra - an epic fangirl, not blessed by Calamity but hyper obsessive over everything to do with them. 

Bon Bon - an epic hunter (proto-reckoner?)

[Edgedancer he/him]

 

I have plans for Lyra.

 

Seriously, I have actual plans for Vanilla Lyra-Bon Bon expies. 

Lyra - an epic fangirl, not blessed by Calamity but hyper obsessive over everything to do with them. 

Bon Bon - an epic hunter (proto-reckoner?)

This is not what I've been promised.

On a more serious note, how would someone go about being an Epic fangirl and not end up suffering horribly?

[Quiver he/him]

This is not what I've been promised.

On a more serious note, how would someone go about being an Epic fangirl and not end up suffering horribly?

 

 

I think it would depend very much on the epic in question? Some of them probably wouldn't object to the attention; in fact, I can very much believe - particularly in the early days of Calamity - epic's who might have tried building cults of personality (or, heck, outright regular cults) around them, and being fairly successful.

 

For vanilla!Lyra though? I'm not sure. I'm just kinda batting the idea around. Possibly, what I'm thinking, is maybe have her be like David, but strictly in the opposite direction. She is a huge epic fangirl, but it's almost more in a theoretical sense? Like, she loves epics, and she knows they are awesome, but she hasn't really had a chance to meet one up close and personal.

 

(I actually find the idea of an epic approaching for some Vanilla torment, only to get someone bouncing all around them wanting to know everything kinda funny).

 

The reason I say 'David' is because... it might make a good tie-in/conflict with human!Bonnie. If Bonnie is a proto-Reckoner, her waifu "best friend" being an epic fangirl is kinda funny in an ironic way... but it also might make for good drama in an "Do I exploit her as a source of information on weaknesses" sense.

 

Maybe "Lyra is David" is a bad comparision. She's more like David's dad, in that she totally believes Good Epics are coming.

But then, I view pony!Lyra as a nerd anyway. So I can already buy into her being  asuperman fangirl.

 

Edited April 1, 2016 by Quiver

[Blackhoof]

Well Epics love being adored- it could be sort of a David character, but is a bit of a sociopath and completely admires Epics and thus either adores them from afar or is an Epic sycophant.

 

Could be a coping mechanism of some sort- whole family was murdered by a human, so fantasizes about being an Epic and associates with them out of this obsession.

[Quiver he/him]

Well Epics love being adored- it could be sort of a David character, but is a bit of a sociopath and completely admires Epics and thus either adores them from afar or is an Epic sycophant.

 

Could be a coping mechanism of some sort- whole family was murdered by a human, so fantasizes about being an Epic and associates with them out of this obsession.

 

I should have refreshed before posting, sorry...

 

Does anyone in the early days actually know how epics are made? Because that might actually make for good motivation for a vanilla servant. They don't know how epic's are created so hey, hanging around one all the time seem's like as good a way as any to try and get superpowers. 

 

(I mean, they know it invovles Calamity, somehow, but it's not exactly a science. "Epic radiation" is just as valid a theory as "Super power bestowing starman")

Edited April 1, 2016 by Quiver

[Edgedancer he/him]

 

 

I think it would depend very much on the epic in question? Some of them probably wouldn't object to the attention; in fact, I can very much believe - particularly in the early days of Calamity - epic's who might have tried building cults of personality (or, heck, outright regular cults) around them, and being fairly successful.

 

For vanilla!Lyra though? I'm not sure. I'm just kinda batting the idea around. Possibly, what I'm thinking, is maybe have her be like David, but strictly in the opposite direction. She is a huge epic fangirl, but it's almost more in a theoretical sense? Like, she loves epics, and she knows they are awesome, but she hasn't really had a chance to meet one up close and personal.

 

(I actually find the idea of an epic approaching for some Vanilla torment, only to get someone bouncing all around them wanting to know everything kinda funny).

 

The reason I say 'David' is because... it might make a good tie-in/conflict with human!Bonnie. If Bonnie is a proto-Reckoner, her waifu "best friend" being an epic fangirl is kinda funny in an ironic way... but it also might make for good drama in an "Do I exploit her as a source of information on weaknesses" sense.

 

Maybe "Lyra is David" is a bad comparision. She's more like David's dad, in that she totally believes Good Epics are coming.

But then, I view pony!Lyra as a nerd anyway. So I can already buy into her being  asuperman fangirl.

 

Oh yeah, no doubt it could happen, it's just that prolonged exposure to Epics is unlikely to leave the person in question... undamaged.

[Quiver he/him]

Oh yeah, no doubt it could happen, it's just that prolonged exposure to Epics is unlikely to leave the person in question... undamaged.

 

...

This is the picture of sanity to you?

 

I mean, I love Lyra. She's Best Pony.

But she is crazy.

[Blackhoof]

I should have refreshed before posting, sorry...

 

Does anyone in the early days actually know how epics are made? Because that might actually make for good motivation for a vanilla servant. They don't know how epic's are created so hey, hanging around one all the time seem's like as good a way as any to try and get superpowers. 

 

(I mean, they know it invovles Calamity, somehow, but it's not exactly a science. "Epic radiation" is just as valid a theory as "Super power bestowing starman")

 

exactly- people only even associate Calamity with Epics because of the time correlation. They only name it Calamity because of the Epics too. Every sort of crazy theory could occur. Why not someone who believes that Calamity irradiates people to give them powers, and thus Epics give off the same radiation?

[Edgedancer he/him]

 

...

This is the picture of sanity to you?

 

I mean, I love Lyra. She's Best Pony.

But she is crazy.

She'd be all over gifter Epics, wouldn't she?

[Quiver he/him]

She'd be all over gifter Epics, wouldn't she?

 

I didn't go into this thread wanting to make pony!epic's. I swear.

But the more we talk about it, the more I'm liking this.

 

exactly- people only even associate Calamity with Epics because of the time correlation. They only name it Calamity because of the Epics too. Every sort of crazy theory could occur. Why not someone who believes that Calamity irradiates people to give them powers, and thus Epics give off the same radiation?

 

Jeez, that sounds like human!Twilight, but ignoring that? Yeah. Crazy paranoid theories about where epics come from would very much be a thing in this era, wouldn't it? By the time David's come along there is some wonder, but it's more of a shrug of the shoulders "Eh, they're here now," kinda thing... but the early days? Definite conspiracy theory fodder. 

[Edgedancer he/him]

 

I didn't go into this thread wanting to make pony!epic's. I swear.

But the more we talk about it, the more I'm liking this.

 

 

Jeez, that sounds like human!Twilight, but ignoring that? Yeah. Crazy paranoid theories about where epics come from would very much be a thing in this era, wouldn't it? By the time David's come along there is some wonder, but it's more of a shrug of the shoulders "Eh, they're here now," kinda thing... but the early days? Definite conspiracy theory fodder. 

Well, we do have gifter Epics around, if you're interested, like Nighthound..... actually forget that one Jack "Vapor Snake" Hayter.

 

So baisically everyone was screaming Epic cooties?    

[The Swan Dragon he/him]

Also...does anyone have any comments on the Collab post? Feedback would be awesome. And should I actually make Love Triangle?

[Quiver he/him]

Also...does anyone have any comments on the Collab post? Feedback would be awesome. And should I actually make Love Triangle?

 

I'd like to see Love Triangle!

 

As for feedback... er... link to the post, please? i haven't been keeping up with much beyond Salem lately, but I'd be happy to provide feedback...

[Mestiv he/him]

I'd like to see Love Triangle!

 

As for feedback... er... link to the post, please? i haven't been keeping up with much beyond Salem lately, but I'd be happy to provide feedback...

 

Here you are: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/24658-what-happened-in-corvallis/page-10#entry424711

[Edgedancer he/him]

Also...does anyone have any comments on the Collab post? Feedback would be awesome. And should I actually make Love Triangle?

I liked it. Nothing groundbreaking to be fair but it did a good job of setting up characters and powers. Now, two tiny things are that it wasn't really clear what became out of the necklace after Drainer was electrocuted and the layout of the Drainer segment ending with "It was time to run, before the other Epic noticed that he’s still alive." followed by a Thunderspear segment set before that and it's just him leaving is a bit awkward.

No one's stopping you from making Love Triangle but I wouldn't say that you have to feel obligated to it either.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Edgedancer

[The Swan Dragon he/him]

I liked it. Nothing groundbreaking to be fair but it did a good job of setting up characters and powers. Now, two tiny things are that it wasn't really clear what became out of the necklace after Drainer was electrocuted and the layout of the Drainer segment ending with "It was time to run, before the other Epic noticed that he’s still alive." followed by a Thunderspear segment set before that and it's just him leaving is a bit awkward.

No one's stopping you from making Love Triangle but I wouldn't say that you have to feel obligated to it either.

Drainer still has the necklace, and I could move that around. It was there because he was writing out the whole Drainer part, and there wasn't really a good place to move it around within. I could stick it at the beginning of Drainer's last part, but it still would be a bit weird. Love Triangle is on the way!

[The Swan Dragon he/him]

Alright...this is really random, just kinda threw it together. It's probably pretty effed up, but please enjoy...

 

May I present...LOVE TRIANGLE

 

Name: Loa

Epic Name: Love Triangle

Primary: Has to power to create a Love Triangle. What this means is that either
A. A third person is introduced into a relationship, with one of the people already in liking them AS WELL
B. Three people start liking each other (either A <3 B <3 C <3 A, or A likes B and C, B likes A and C, and C likes A and
OR
C. Two people both start going after one person

Secondary: Can cause three people in a relationship to lose all feeling for each other

Passive: Everyone within a radius is influenced to like her

Weakness: Pure, raw hate directed at her

Weakness Effect: All current love triangles she created fall apart

Appearance: Very chic, long brown hair, T-shirt, short jacket, either jeans or a medium length shirt (IDK fashion, feel free to tell me what chic actually is right now). Has a triangle pendant around her neck

Personality: Very bubbly, infectious personality in addition to her passive. Gives everyone the once-over.

MO: Sets up in an area, goes to all the parties, setting up random love triangles to mess with people.

Doesn’t fight…no combat XD. Only possibility is manipulating the people attacking her to start ‘going after’ each other *wink wink*


THIS IS REALLY RANDOM XD I’m not planning on actually using this,

Feel free to yell about how terrible this is/how foncusing it is. IDK what the heck I was trying to do...

[ChickenPlague he/him]

Way too powerful emotional manipulation in my opinion.

[The Swan Dragon he/him]

Way too powerful emotional manipulation in my opinion.

Which part? Remember, what day is today

[Quiver he/him]

Also...does anyone have any comments on the Collab post? Feedback would be awesome. And should I actually make Love Triangle?

Okay, so. Feedback.

Firstly -and this is strictly a personal things- I disliked the color coding. Now, I will grant that is subjective, and I understand why it happen's; the collab is, effectively, a series of posts done at once rather than a sequence of replies. Separating them out into base replies makes sense, and makes it easier to comment on.

(And it gives each person "their" credit).

It's not a style I, personally, am enamoured with, but it's a necessary evil, so whatev's.

As for the content itself, bare in mind I am divorcing it from any context. I know nothing about Corvalis, or these characters. I am basing it solely off what you've presented us with.

So, with that in mind.

This is a fight scene. And I will applaud you both for avoiding the trap I fall into, where I narrate every action my character takes and pad my posts out. By contrast, this was a very quick-paced action scene.

However, I would add that it doesn't leave much to get my teeth into. There is characterisation -I'll address that in a minute- but what it ultimately is is a (functional) action scene. Possibly a bit too quick, but not bad.

Of the two characters, Drainer is (in my mind) more interesting. Part of that comes from the fact that he is in a position if weakness, and traditional narratives have conditioned us to root for the underdog. If I was going to point out something Mestiv did which you did not, it would be the working of character background into the scene. Drainer makes reference to his servants laughing behind his back; it's a very human concern, which immediately makes us emphasize with him.

Again, I'm not criticising ThunderSpear. There are hints of characterisation in your segments. His possessiveness, for instance, doesn't appear to stem solely from an "I'm an epic, I do what I want!" place, which raises curiosity...

But, ultimately, we aren't allowed to see much of ThunderSpear. Which works fine as a certain character type but, when commenting on this one, specific post, it makes it difficult to analyze him. Right now, he appears very much as the Steelheart to Trainer's David, with all the good and bad things that implies (effective villain vs distance and mystery).

...but, again. Random thoughts, based on ONE POST. Which is hardly conclusive evidence.

In other news, I might tinker with LT some if you don't mind.

Selfish question, is my Salem post okay? Worried I rushed it too much, but...

My thought is that Sentry is smug, condescending, secure of herself and vain. Having a picture defaced isn't just -in her mind- maybe a sign of someone knowing her weakness and an insult to her Soulcasters rule, it's also a personal insult...and so unusual that it's taken her aback.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Quiver

[The Swan Dragon he/him]

My replies will be in bold within your comment, because I'm way too phreakin' exhausted after that bike ride to separate them into different quotes.

Okay, so. Feedback.

Firstly -and this is strictly a personal things- I disliked the color coding. Now, I will grant that is subjective, and I understand why it happen's; the collab is, effectively, a series of posts done at once rather than a sequence of replies. Separating them out into base replies makes sense, and makes it easier to comment on.

(And it gives each person "their" credit).

It's not a style I, personally, am enamoured with, but it's a necessary evil, so whatev's.

Understandable...maybe in the future people could make the post in a collab, then post each one individually (In order)? That would be something to ask Twi about.

As for the content itself, bare in mind I am divorcing it from any context. I know nothing about Corvalis, or these characters. I am basing it solely off what you've presented us with.

So, with that in mind.
This is a fight scene. And I will applaud you both for avoiding the trap I fall into, where I narrate every action my character takes and pad my posts out. By contrast, this was a very quick-paced action scene.

However, I would add that it doesn't leave much to get my teeth into. There is characterisation -I'll address that in a minute- but what it ultimately is is a (functional) action scene. Possibly a bit too quick, but not bad.

Good to know. The main reason for being quick is that if the fight part took longer, it would seem more odd that ThunderSpear didn't seriously hurt Drainer--and Mestiv needed him for more stuff later.

Of the two characters, Drainer is (in my mind) more interesting. Part of that comes from the fact that he is in a position if weakness, and traditional narratives have conditioned us to root for the underdog. If I was going to point out something Mestiv did which you did not, it would be the working of character background into the scene. Drainer makes reference to his servants laughing behind his back; it's a very human concern, which immediately makes us emphasize with him.

Again, I'm not criticising ThunderSpear. There are hints of characterisation in your segments. His possessiveness, for instance, doesn't appear to stem solely from an "I'm an epic, I do what I want!" place, which raises curiosity...

 There could be something about that...

But, ultimately, we aren't allowed to see much of ThunderSpear. Which works fine as a certain character type but, when commenting on this one, specific post, it makes it difficult to analyze him. Right now, he appears very much as the Steelheart to Trainer's David, with all the good and bad things that implies (effective villain vs distance and mystery).

That's something I can definitely work on. Part of that is that I haven't fully fleshed out his backstory, but I'm on break now, so I should have time to work on that.

...but, again. Random thoughts, based on ONE POST. Which is hardly conclusive evidence.

In other news, I might tinker with LT some if you don't mind.

Feel free.

Thanks for the feedback, which is pho sho nice to have.

 

Bai!

~Wpx

[Bladestorm]

Also...does anyone have any comments on the Collab post? Feedback would be awesome. And should I actually make Love Triangle?

Feedback from me: I do prefer drainers POV, as it had more feeling in it, but Thunderspears was just as enjoyable. The feeling if annoyance and tiredness with weaklings was very real.

Also, I'm not sure if we already have this, but what about an epic with mass fore field control? As in minimum size is in the kilometres. Too big for combat, but great for protecting a city or specific base. If anything does happen with my pentagon idea then they could join wastelands as a protector.

[Blackhoof]

Well that Epic would basically be Bubbles.

So id be inclined not to have more than one force-field protected city, unless the visuals and feel is different enough.

Alright...this is really random, just kinda threw it together. It's probably pretty effed up, but please enjoy...

May I present...LOVE TRIANGLE

Name: Loa

Epic Name: Love Triangle

Primary: Has to power to create a Love Triangle. What this means is that either

A. A third person is introduced into a relationship, with one of the people already in liking them AS WELL

B. Three people start liking each other (either A <3 B <3 C <3 A, or A likes B and C, B likes A and C, and C likes A and

OR

C. Two people both start going after one person

Secondary: Can cause three people in a relationship to lose all feeling for each other

Passive: Everyone within a radius is influenced to like her

Weakness: Pure, raw hate directed at her

Weakness Effect: All current love triangles she created fall apart

Appearance: Very chic, long brown hair, T-shirt, short jacket, either jeans or a medium length shirt (IDK fashion, feel free to tell me what chic actually is right now). Has a triangle pendant around her neck

Personality: Very bubbly, infectious personality in addition to her passive. Gives everyone the once-over.

MO: Sets up in an area, goes to all the parties, setting up random love triangles to mess with people.

Doesn’t fight…no combat XD. Only possibility is manipulating the people attacking her to start ‘going after’ each other *wink wink*

THIS IS REALLY RANDOM XD I’m not planning on actually using this,

Feel free to yell about how terrible this is/how foncusing it is. IDK what the heck I was trying to do...

haha we aren't going to yell at you over a joke.

although i think her weakness effect would be less severe- as long as she is alive, the triangles should just pause and feelings disappear while her weakness is active.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Blackhoof

[Bladestorm]

it wouldnt be a cuty so much as the encampment, but I understand the not wanting multiple areas the same way sentiment.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Bladestorm