Pinnacle-Ferring Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Right after Ati dies, he looks at Kelsier and seems to confuse him with someone else. He calls him "Vax". Who is this? Is it another Shardholder that happens to look like Kelsier? If so, which one? I don't have much time at the moment so I will leave you to discuss. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 None of us have much more than that. The Elantris Ars Arcanum suggests that Vax is a planet, or at least a place. My best guess has been that Ati though he was on/in Vax, something in Scadrial's Cognitive Realm made him think of it. Beyond that, we don't have anything. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 This is one of two places Vax has been mentioned. The other was in the Elantris 10th Anniversary Ars Arcanum, where we can infer that it is a planet. There's been some discussion already as to what it means: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/52570-secret-history-spoilers-last-words/. But, the short answer is: we don't know. Peter has been his typical cryptic self on the matter: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/49440-idaho-falls-is-coming-up/?p=362712. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinnacle-Ferring Posted March 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Good to know. Thanks. I haven't read the 10th anniversary edition of Elantris yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 At that time Harmony was re-making the world and the Cognitive Realm itself was a bit strange for the Heavy use of power... Maybe it was similar of the Vax's Cognitive Realm. Or maybe simply Ati lost the controll of Ruin on Vax and when he died and spawn on the Cognitive he himself thought to be still on Vax. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smye Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 Peter has been his typical cryptic self on the matter: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/49440-idaho-falls-is-coming-up/?p=362712. Does this make Peter an anti-Vax-er? 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordOfMortals Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 (edited) What if it has something to do with strange power the IRE seemed to be tapping from the shard world kelsier seen when he touched there fortress. Maybe the power of a shard who's holders name is Vax? Just speculating here but maybe Ati was sensing Vax's power kelsier absorbed from the sphere device. Edited March 14, 2016 by LordOfMortals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowiespoon Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 What if its a person and a planet? Plenty of people have named cities and countries after themselves, it's not much of a stretch to imagine that someone would do the same for a planet they created Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted March 14, 2016 Report Share Posted March 14, 2016 What if its a person and a planet? Plenty of people have named cities and countries after themselves, it's not much of a stretch to imagine that someone would do the same for a planet they created possible but unlikely... there is a WoB about the Shardworld having their name pre-shattering... it's unlikely that some Yolish guy have the same name of a Shardworld. Of course this thought of mine don't consider a change of Vessel for the Vax's Shard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Does this make Peter an anti-Vax-er? Get out! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon314 Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 okay, I may be spewing nonsense, but couldn't tax be the original name of scaladrial? also, this would point towards the Elantris timeline being far behind the Mistborn plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 okay, I may be spewing nonsense, but couldn't tax be the original name of scaladrial? also, this would point towards the Elantris timeline being far behind the Mistborn plot. It's impossible both Vax and Scadrial were used in the Elantris's Ars Arcanum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 okay, I may be spewing nonsense, but couldn't tax be the original name of scaladrial? also, this would point towards the Elantris timeline being far behind the Mistborn plot. It's pretty far behind Mistborn yeah. Also I believe that Ruin and Preservation made Scadrial so it can't really have an original name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon314 Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 It's pretty far behind Mistborn yeah. Also I believe that Ruin and Preservation made Scadrial so it can't really have an original name. You could be right, but I'm pretty sure that Preservation and Ruin created LIFE on Scaladrial, not the planet itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Sazed explains the imbalance in humans with regards to Ruin and Preservation by using a rock, which apparently is 50/50, as an example. It would seem the entire planet was created from nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 We have also a direct WoB about the creation of Scadrial by R&P: Q: If another Shard came to Scadrial, would that be enough to create a godmetal? A: If another shard just came to visit, probably not. Q: If they brought a spren or- A: If they came and completely Invested the world, then things might start happening. But there's some special circumstances, remember. Ruin and Preservation created that planet. Specifically. And so there's some goofy things that happened because of that. For instance Roshar was not made by Honor, Cultivation, or Odium. That's one of the big differences about what's going on there. I am posting the whole exchange but the meaningfull part is bolded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurky McLurkerson Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Idle tangent: Why create a planet, specifically? What if it was about tying up as much Ruin as possible to keep him inactive? We've seen what happens to "negative" shards that are not given sufficient entertainment/distraction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Idle tangent: Why create a planet, specifically? What if it was about tying up as much Ruin as possible to keep him inactive? We've seen what happens to "negative" shards that are not given sufficient entertainment/distraction? It's definitely possible - Ati was, in fact, a kind man when he picked up Ruin. I had assumed it was because of the combined nature of the two Shards, their ability to create, that they chose - or were driven - to start from scratch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Idle tangent: Why create a planet, specifically? What if it was about tying up as much Ruin as possible to keep him inactive? We've seen what happens to "negative" shards that are not given sufficient entertainment/distraction? Well creating a planet Preservation & Ruin will bound to Scadrial very deeply... Probably without destroing (and retriving their Investiture, they can't leave). This is a plausible answer, but I think there is more: To me Preservation wanted to create Scadrial to have a planet with a "physical" Focus and the result was Scadrial with its metals. I think Preservation made this because he need a magic compatible to his own plan and some who give to the people (far away in the future pawns) a way to debilitate Ruin. With enough Future Sight He could point exactly to the type of world needed to his great Plan. And creates it without much trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAjah Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 We have also a direct WoB about the creation of Scadrial by R&P: I am posting the whole exchange but the meaningfull part is bolded. Doesn't the rest of that WOB quote pose SERIOUS questions for SoS? Or could someone intentionally invest specifically in a God Metal and bypass Brandon's implication here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Doesn't the rest of that WOB quote pose SERIOUS questions for SoS? Or could someone intentionally invest specifically in a God Metal and bypass Brandon's implication here? Probably the generic Shard no, but we saw how that specific God Metal carry a "Stealth ability" with itself... Bleeder may be invisible to Harmony's Hemalurgic sense trought that Spike... Maybe this "Invasion" is made possible only because That-Shard's God Metal have the ability to hide itself (and it's something that push me away from Odium to be honest, more near to Autonomy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackhoof Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 What if Autonomy made the metal, and Odium sent the Fakeless Immortals? Could they be working together, in separate ways? Autonomy wanting to free the people of Scadrial from Harmony, and being tricked by Odium who (as per the Fakeless) wants to wipe out the population as part of his plan? Is Autonomy just a useful idiot? Or does he know full well what Odium wants/is planning? Maybe his whole schtick is that he doesn't want the Shards to control people so he helps Odium destroy them so that people can be free? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 What if Autonomy made the metal, and Odium sent the Fakeless Immortals? Could they be working together, in separate ways? Autonomy wanting to free the people of Scadrial from Harmony, and being tricked by Odium who (as per the Fakeless) wants to wipe out the population as part of his plan? Is Autonomy just a useful idiot? Or does he know full well what Odium wants/is planning? Maybe his whole schtick is that he doesn't want the Shards to control people so he helps Odium destroy them so that people can be free? Upvote for Fakeless Immortal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blightsong Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) I'm positive that Autonomy is either working for or against Odium. It just makes sense that Odium would need an ally to be able to take down two Shards, especially with his current fear of Harmony. It doesn't make sense that he would go after two shards on his own, especially that early on. This coupled with Hoid having a serious grudge against them two and them two alone convinces me that this is the case. It would also be some grade A irony if Autonomy was the one to be working with Odium. Edited May 4, 2016 by Blightsong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red032 Posted July 1, 2016 Report Share Posted July 1, 2016 On 21/03/2016 at 10:47 AM, Argent said: It's definitely possible - Ati was, in fact, a kind man when he picked up Ruin. I had assumed it was because of the combined nature of the two Shards, their ability to create, that they chose - or were driven - to start from scratch. Preservation is stasis. Cannot create. Ruin is enthropy can only destroy. Both they could create a dynamic world by oposing each other (which reminds me of Wheel of Time themes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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