UpLifted he/him Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 In one of Fuzz's rants he says “I needed a sign,” Fuzz whispered, stopping near Kelsier. “Something he couldn’t change. A sign of the weapon I’d buried.” Is he talking about the atium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 he/him Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 In one of Fuzz's rants he says “I needed a sign,” Fuzz whispered, stopping near Kelsier. “Something he couldn’t change. A sign of the weapon I’d buried.” Is he talking about the atium? He's talking about the population of Allomancers, and his ploy with the so-called mistfallen; exactly 16% of every studied population. (1% for each allomantic metal) Ruin couldn't change the number of allomantic metals because allomancy isn't exactly his department. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Well, it's not like Preservation had any control over the functions of allomancy either. Magic systems are a natural realmatic phenomenon derived from shardic investing, as far as we know. As soon as they showed up at this general spot and created Scadrial, the metallic arts came into being with no further input. The mists, however, are doing all the snapping, and while Preservation didn't create the system he is the default power source. So Ruin can't really touch that detail. Likely the only part of all this that mattered to Leras though, of course, is the 1% of atium mistings that can keep the atium from remaining in corporeal form when it mattered. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 he/him Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Well, it's not like Preservation had any control over the functions of allomancy either. Magic systems are a natural realmatic phenomenon derived from shardic investing, as far as we know. As soon as they showed up at this general spot and created Scadrial, the metallic arts came into being with no further input. Preservation can mess with small things if necessary; e.g. he swapped out cadmium and bendalloy for atium and malatium. But you're right, he can't affect things like "you must ingest metals in order to burn them for the effect." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Preservation can mess with small things if necessary; e.g. he swapped out cadmium and bendalloy for atium and malatium. But you're right, he can't affect things like "you must ingest metals in order to burn them for the effect." Probably* We're really not sure on the limits of what can and can't be affected. For example we're still not entirely clear whether or not Atium and Malatium mistings are still actually possible, he swapped them in for the purposes of mist-snapping certainly but that doesn't mean there were no cadmium/bendalloy mistings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senick67 he/him Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I think that there are more metals and the 16 by using the two god metals to make different alloys of metal. and is there a metal that allows one to world hop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 I think that there are more metals and the 16 by using the two god metals to make different alloys of metal. and is there a metal that allows one to world hop? There are, Harmony also has a metal which can also be alloyed with the base 16. There are also a less than infinite but great than 16 number of these god alloys. We're not sure if there is or isn't, there are Scadrian worldhoppers so they have access to some method of worldhopping but whether or not it's an allomantic metal or if they can just jump in a Shardpool or something isn't exactly clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 (edited) Probably* We're really not sure on the limits of what can and can't be affected. For example we're still not entirely clear whether or not Atium and Malatium mistings are still actually possible, he swapped them in for the purposes of mist-snapping certainly but that doesn't mean there were no cadmium/bendalloy mistings. There were seers before Preservation started snapping people, so it would be very odd if they're no longer possible. More than likely they're not mentioned in Era 2 because nobody has any supply of Atium to try and find Seers in the first place. (although as a side effect of Mistborn being so rare, the economics of Atium would now make searching for Seers one of the primary things you'd use it for) My impression on the swapping out was that Atium Mistings and Malatium mistings were always possible, Preservation just deliberately chose to snap them instead of the Cadmium and Bendalloy mistings because it aligned more neatly with the proportions he wanted to make to drive home his message. Edited February 24, 2016 by Ari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate he/him Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Is there a WoB that Cadmium and Bendalloy were switched out in favor of Atium and Malatium? A lot of people seem to take it as fact when I have seen no evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Well, the mists were snapping mistings as such. It is unknown if cadmium and bendalloy mistings actually existed all the while but the mists never snapped, or nobody could find in tests after snapping because the metals were not known. Which begs the question, are there actually, say, raysium or tanavastium mistings naturally, like atium mistings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate he/him Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 I think that Atium Mistings were just regular Electrum Mistings who can burn atium as well. Among other things, that's my theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 I think that Atium Mistings were just regular Electrum Mistings who can burn atium as well. Among other things, that's my theory. I doubt it, TLR knew about Electrum but used Atium to find Seers, that's a bit of a waste if they can also burn Electrum. As for the swapping metals quote: CHAOS2651Hemalurgically, atium steals Allomantic Temporal Powers. But, that seems unlikely, since atium is a god metal. It wouldn't fit in with the rest of the magic system. Did Preservation, in addition to switching Cadmium and Bendalloy for Atium and Malatium, also switch atium's Feruchemical and Hemalurgic powers with Cadmium? Because it seems to me there's not a lot of atium Marsh can use to live for hundreds of years into the next Mistborn trilogy. BRANDON SANDERSONPreservation wanted Atium and Malatium to be of use to the people, as he recognized that it would be a very powerful tool—and that using it up could help defeat Ruin. But he also recognized that sixteen was a mythological important number, and felt it would make the best sign for his followers. So he took out the most unlikely (difficult to make and use) metals for his sign to his followers. But that doesn't have much to do with Hemalurgy's use here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate he/him Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Storms. Oh well, maybe Ruin's corresponding metal is actually Bendalloy. It makes more sense anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless he/him Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 (edited) Looked it up. No, Leras seemed to be referring to something else. He mentioned the 16 Metals directly afterwards. But before that he mentioned that "the boiling point of water or the freezing point" was an indication of the "weapon [he] had buried". Whatever it was, he was either dismissive of it or thought it wasn't as directly relevant as the metals. Quote "I needed a sign. Something he couldn't change. A sign of the weapon I'd buried. The boiling point of water, I think. Maybe its freezing point? But what if the units change over the years? I needed something that would be remembered always. Something they'll immediately recognize. Sixteen." Quote Questioner So, in Secret History, Fuzz mentions a weapon that he buried? Is that the atium, or is that something else? Brandon Sanderson *hums* Go ahead Joel. *Joel holds up RAFO sign* Oathbringer release party (Nov. 13, 2017) Edited October 13, 2019 by Honorless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karger he/him Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Honorless said: Looked it up. No, Leras seemed to be referring to something else. He mentioned the 16 Metals directly afterwards. But before that he mentioned that "the boiling point of water or the freezing point" was an indication of the "weapon [he] had buried". Whatever it was, he was either dismissive of it or thought it wasn't as directly relevant as the metals. Those were his ravings. He could not use boiling or freezing because the units of measurements might change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honorless he/him Posted October 13, 2019 Report Share Posted October 13, 2019 37 minutes ago, Karger said: Those were his ravings. He could not use boiling or freezing because the units of measurements might change. Huh, didn't look at it that way. Yeah, could be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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