Long Game 18: Holly and Iron

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Corrin headed to the University first thing in the morning, hoping to have finally been elevated. I've studied hard, and tried my best. Maybe this is my time! He thought to himself, moving a little faster in anticipation.

 

He reached the University practically running. Confident that he'd done enough to impress at least ONE of the Masters. His confidence began to fade however, as the day went on and he received no news or summons. He finished his classes for the day, and began heading back to his inn, not in a very bright mood.

 

Throughout the day, he'd heard news even more troubling than his lack of progress in the ranks of the Arcanum. Some poor fellow in the Crockery had died mysteriously, and another student had been killed in the city. This is not good. It seems the Skindancers are doing their work very efficiently. I'll need to speak with the others to see if we've managed to find anything out about their identities or even just anything about them! If I had an in with any of the Masters, maybe I could learn a thing or two about all of this. Hm. I have money, I wonder if I could bribe them...

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Firstly, my Analyst is still alive.

 

Secondly, no one seems to have noticed, but there was no sabotage. If BB is to be believed, the target was supposed to be him; he survived using a Bloodless I had given him.

 

Now, we have something of a problem. Our Analyst-Analyst confirmation is not going to work out. BB has confessed to me that he has done a LOT of lying this game, and one of the lies he told was that he has been studying Linguistics. He hasn't.

 

He does have a method of determining others' allegiances, which he has explained to me, but it is a LOT less reliable. It's not something we can count on to regularly clear people.

 

We still have the Analyst I am in contact with, but without BB to confirm them, the thought of wholly putting our faith in them becomes far less attractive. I will continue to act as their voice, but realize that I will have no way to determine if what they tell me is true. If I end up dying, Lopen knows who they are, and, for reasons of my own, he still has 100% of my trust.

 

I'm honestly a little lost on where we go from here. Most of my plans revolved around having our Analysts confirmed.

 

Lastly, I don't want this round to be about BB again. I'm frustrated by his choices, as they fly in the face of everything I believe about how this game should be played. But that's just a difference of opinion. I believe that he is, at last, telling me the truth, and I am willing to extend him my tentative trust.

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[Silverblade5 he/him]

We could try focusing on alchemy and using plum bobs, which are direct interrogation.

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

That's a thought. I encourage any Re'lar Alchemists out there to be doing nothing but making Plum Bobs. If you're willing to believe BB and myself that Lopen is clear, you should also make contact with him, and he can represent you. Otherwise, pick a player, then use your first Plum Bob to clear them, and ask them to be your public voice. I am willing to provide an essentially unlimited supply of Nahlrout for use with Plum Bobs.

 

Be aware that even with Nahlrout, your name will still be in the write-up if you incite insanity, and even if you don't, the person you question will know who you are. If you are afraid of this spotlight, I encourage you to give the Plum Bobs away, rather than avoid using them. They're one of the most valuable tools in this game, and we need all we can get.

 

In case we don't have any Re'lar Alchemists yet, I'd ask anyone who is not already heavily committed to the field to please refrain from putting any more EP there, so that our E'lir have a chance to elevate.

[Haelbarde he/him]

Secondly, no one seems to have noticed, but there was no sabotage. If BB is to be believed, the target was supposed to be him; he survived using a Bloodless I had given him.

Just pointing out that I did indeed notice, and said as much in my first post, to which Lopen replied that we should wait for the still absent writeup to see if there are clues like last time time there was no sabotage. Do you know for certain that he was attacked, or are you just assuming he may have been? Or is it that just that BB thinks he was likely in danger last cycle?

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Firstly, my Analyst is still alive.

 

Secondly, no one seems to have noticed, but there was no sabotage. If BB is to be believed, the target was supposed to be him; he survived using a Bloodless I had given him.

 

Now, we have something of a problem. Our Analyst-Analyst confirmation is not going to work out. BB has confessed to me that he has done a LOT of lying this game, and one of the lies he told was that he has been studying Linguistics. He hasn't.

 

He does have a method of determining others' allegiances, which he has explained to me, but it is a LOT less reliable. It's not something we can count on to regularly clear people.

 

We still have the Analyst I am in contact with, but without BB to confirm them, the thought of wholly putting our faith in them becomes far less attractive. I will continue to act as their voice, but realize that I will have no way to determine if what they tell me is true. If I end up dying, Lopen knows who they are, and, for reasons of my own, he still has 100% of my trust.

 

I'm honestly a little lost on where we go from here. Most of my plans revolved around having our Analysts confirmed.

 

Lastly, I don't want this round to be about BB again. I'm frustrated by his choices, as they fly in the face of everything I believe about how this game should be played. But that's just a difference of opinion. I believe that he is, at last, telling me the truth, and I am willing to extend him my tentative trust.

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1. BB supposedly knew he was gonna get sabotaged???

 

2. BB isn't Linguistic Analysis.   I guess that makes me a little less cleared than I thought. 3. I am interested in his method of clearing people though.

 

I don't really know where to go from here either. Getting an Analyst confirmed would be great, but I don't think that we should only focus on that. There are a ton of abilities out there that have a lot of potential. My guess would be that once players have those abilities and have used them once or twice, we should be able to start really questioning players, like we've done with BB already(I'm still suspicious of him, just to be perfectly clear). I don't really have any information of my own to give, since I don't have an ability. I was actually just thinking that this game would probably be played very much behind the scenes if it weren't for the Post:PM ratio thing, because of players hesitancy to reveal anything in the thread(which somehow doesn't really translate over to PM's).

 

One question that still has remained unanswered for the most part. Why did STINK Assassinate PK?

 

We could try focusing on alchemy and using plum bobs, which are direct interrogation.

 

I think I may know of an Alchemy player. It's only a guess right now though, but I'll look into it.

[Silverblade5 he/him]

That's a thought. I encourage any Re'lar Alchemists out there to be doing nothing but making Plum Bobs. If you're willing to believe BB and myself that Lopen is clear, you should also make contact with him, and he can represent you. Otherwise, pick a player, then use your first Plum Bob to clear them, and ask them to be your public voice. I am willing to provide an essentially unlimited supply of Nahlrout for use with Plum Bobs.

Be aware that even with Nahlrout, your name will still be in the write-up if you incite insanity, and even if you don't, the person you question will know who you are. If you are afraid of this spotlight, I encourage you to give the Plum Bobs away, rather than avoid using them. They're one of the most valuable tools in this game, and we need all we can get.

In case we don't have any Re'lar Alchemists yet, I'd ask anyone who is not already heavily committed to the field to please refrain from putting any more EP there, so that our E'lir have a chance to elevate.

During my trip to irme, I put up a contract for 5 plum bobs, along with a public list of results. This should add extra incentive.

[Kynedath]

You know, It might just be my grieving period still affecting my judgement, but if Wonko and BB were both skindancers . . . 

 

Actually, that seems fairly plausible at the moment. Just think it over guys. I have to go, but I should be back in about three hours. If not, then tomorrow.

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Just pointing out that I did indeed notice, and said as much in my first post, to which Lopen replied that we should wait for the still absent writeup to see if there are clues like last time time there was no sabotage. Do you know for certain that he was attacked, or are you just assuming he may have been? Or is it that just that BB thinks he was likely in danger last cycle?

 

So you did. Sorry about that.

 

I don't know for certain, but BB claims to. Which tracks; he would have been told in his PM report about the Bloodless having been used.

 

1. BB supposedly knew he was gonna get sabotaged???

 

2. BB isn't Linguistic Analysis.   I guess that makes me a little less cleared than I thought. 3. I am interested in his method of clearing people though.

 

I don't really know where to go from here either. Getting an Analyst confirmed would be great, but I don't think that we should only focus on that. There are a ton of abilities out there that have a lot of potential. My guess would be that once players have those abilities and have used them once or twice, we should be able to start really questioning players, like we've done with BB already(I'm still suspicious of him, just to be perfectly clear). I don't really have any information of my own to give, since I don't have an ability. I was actually just thinking that this game would probably be played very much behind the scenes if it weren't for the Post:PM ratio thing, because of players hesitancy to reveal anything in the thread(which somehow doesn't really translate over to PM's).

 

One question that still has remained unanswered for the most part. Why did STINK Assassinate PK?

 

 

I think I may know of an Alchemy player. It's only a guess right now though, but I'll look into it.

 

Like I said above, BB was only informed after the attempt failed.

 

 

Actually, you are still basically 100% confirmed. To be able to prove that to everyone else, though, I would have to give away BB's confirmation method, which I promised him I wouldn't do. I've told you the basics of it in PM. For everyone else, suffice to say that BB gave me a story that, unlike what he had said previously, is actually able to explain all of my major suspicions, and that this new story still locks Lopen's confirmation in stone. For any more than that, you'll have to talk to BB.

 

Okay. If you like, I can give you some Nahlrout, so that you can pass it on to them without them needing to put any trust in me.

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Silver, I saw that, but I don't think 5 talents is going to cut it on that; If they weren't already going to do it, a talent a Plum Bob is not going to turn any heads.

 

Kynedath, all I can say is that I'm flattered that you think I'm good enough to have faked that argument and loss of control yesterday.

[Silverblade5 he/him]

I'm currently a re'lur. The first time I leveled up, it was in linguistics, and I got the message posting action. The second time, it was in sympathy, and I got malignant sympathetic protection. I'm willing to take suggestions on what to study next.

[Haelbarde he/him]

 

You know, It might just be my grieving period still affecting my judgement, but if Wonko and BB were both skindancers . . . 

 

Actually, that seems fairly plausible at the moment. Just think it over guys. I have to go, but I should be back in about three hours. If not, then tomorrow.

It could feasibly just one of them too. Like, I wouldn't put it past Bridge Boy to be a skindancer, with Wonko being a genuine villager.

 

I mean, as far I can tell, at the moment, it's BB's word that he was the sabotage target, and all through the game, he's said that he's been using half truths and maybe lies, and we've just had Wonko reiterate that. So I get the impression it may have been challenging so far for anyone to use Linguistic Analysis to verify him. Which isn't very useful to the village. Of course, I've not talked to him in PM's so I don't know the full story.

 

I think I need to have a think if I think it's worth putting my votes on BB. What's your estimation, Wonko? Do you reckon he could feasibly be a skindancer, or would you lean more towards a villager?

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Wow. That's astoundingly selfless of you, Silver, especially since you've just essentially made your message-posting power useless. Thank you for being brave enough to share; this game needs more of that.

 

In that spirit, I'll go ahead and report that my elevation this turn was in Naming. I'm in Imre for the turn, though, so I can't do anything with it yet. If any therapist Physickers want to contact me, maybe we can get something going in a few turns.

 

Hael, maybe I'm just reacting against myself from last round, but I want to trust BB for now. His most recent story is the first time he's made complete sense of his actions; it feels significantly more sincere than he has up to this point. I'll never be able to fully get along with someone willing to tell outright lies even to players he trusts, but I no longer have any serious suspicions of him being an Eliminator.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

Wonko, thanks for clearing that up. Were you saying you were gonna pass me the Nahlrout so I would pass it to the player I think might be the Alchemist? That would work.

 

Silver, I don't really have any suggestions at the moment. Sorry.

 

In response to Kynedaths and Haels posts, I am still suspicious of BB, but I don't think that it would make much sense for him and Wonko to be Skindancers together. It's possible that it's a similar scenario to what happened in MR10 with Ada going after his own teammate early on, only to back off and leave him alone later on, but this situation doesn't seem like it to me.

[Firemuffin42]

Agree with Lopen, stink still hsn't really expalined why he assassinated PK. He said it was because that's his new way to vote? That's not an explanation, if you vote you still have reasons.

I'm going to place a vote on Stink until he comes forward and explains why he had PK assassinated… it just doesn't make sense why, unless he thought he was a skindancer, he would kill him. Even iff you thought he was a skindancer, why did you think that? Explain and I'll take my vote off of you if it makes sense, but right now that is jsut a weird thing to do.

[Elbereth she/her]

Okay. Hello, I am here, and I have a bunch to say. I've been even more busy than I expected with traveling, unfortunately, but I'm trying to post as much as I can. I may not be able to make tuition this cycle. I'm okay with that.

I'm going to get as much of this post done as possible, but be aware that there's probably more to come, because I've got 22 quotes to go through. (I love the multiquote button.)

No problem Kyne. I'll do some goose chasing.

Elbereth, I recall it being stated that only one vote is enough for inducing tution reduction.

I know. I was trying to spread the votes around, not only reduce my tuition. At that time, there was only one vote total, and I thought turnover was 24 hours earlier than it was.

Elbereth, could you take your vote off of me please? Pretty please?

I'll vote on PK and Araris, because I want to spread the DP's around. I'm gonna do a vote tally in just a minute to check and see how it's looking.

Edit: Vote tally:

BB(3): Burnt, Mark, DC

Lopen(1): Elbereth

Mark(1): Eblereth

DC(1): Wonko

Wonko(1): DC

Danosaur(1): Mailliw

Sasuke(1): Mailliw

PK(1): Lopen

Araris(1): Lopen

Sorry.

Vote tallies look so weird. Very long with the two-votes thing.

To respond to everyone's votes on me, (not quoting, because they are on 3 different pages.) I apologize Burnt, but I was not aware that you were that poor, and I hope you can make tuition. You may have to go to Devi for it though. And as for the reasons on the votes, I will not say what it is, as I'm still waiting for confirmation, but through an action, I'm not totally sure of you guys right now. And as for deathclutch, I didn't intentionally mean to do that much damage to Burnt, just acting on my suspicions, and I hadn't posted yet, because yesterday was Sunday, and I don't get on the computer on Sunday, thus no posting.

Multiquote is a thing, you know.

Also, this reminded me of a thing. NO POST ON SUNDAYS!

I'll vote on Mailliw, just because he doesn't have any votes on him, so a single vote shouldn't hurt.

Edit: also, don't the poorest people have the best musical ability? After one or two cycles, they should be raking in a decent income.

Um. My music abililty seems... low. It feels like on the scale it would be second to lowest (just above something like "You are terrible at music. You know it, your friends know it. You don't sing. Ever.")

I just don't like the sound of that last sentence. I object to blind following. This game isn't about just trusting someone because they asked you to. It's about evidence, elimination, logical processes and critical analysis. Besides, that response was pretty defensive if you ask me. No to mention trying to place suspicion on me and attempting to blow this out of proportion. It seems like you are trying to make this a full blown feud.

I don't want to go back and find the post that sparked this (because effort, but "defensive" is a fine description. "Making it into a full blown feud"? Not so much. Your post is much more defensive and aggravated, it seems to me. I don't think Wonko and BB could both be eliminators, as mentioned below (far, far below). But you and BB are very possible. Just saying.

I did try to warn everyone about that possibility. With the masters randomly assigning DP, the number of votes we put on people doesn't really matter. It's possible, however astoundingly unlikely, for a single RP-inspired vote to get someone expelled. I really think we need to put more thought into where our votes are going.

The number of votes we put on people does matter. It's the part we can control. If there are no votes on a player, we guarantee that that player won't be expelled or brought on the horns. Every vote we place on them increases that probability. The first vote increases the chance most dramatically (from nothing to something[/i]), but more votes means more chance. Don't go around telling people their votes don't matter! That's sad.

After this there were a number of Wonko quotes from yesterday. That dispute has been mostly resolved, so I'm deleting them, but there were a few comments I wanted to make, which are below when discussing Silverblade.

Playing devil's advocate here, BB did say that he wasn't a skindancer so that someone could fact check it. If he knows we have a linguistic analyst and he was a skindancer, why would he take that risk? Unless he thinks we're bluffing and has decided to call that bluff. Either way, whoever the linguistic analyst is needs to fact check that statement, because it is still possible that BB is just a player who is concerned about his own personal safety and doesn't want to make himself a target by revealing information.

Want to point out as well, if a skindancer becomes a master then he or she can then destroy that field of study. Which means finding out if BB is a skindancer is really important. If he is and we allow him to be elevated again then whatever field he's in is destroyed. If he's a player though, having a field of study relatively secure would definitely not be a bad thing.

Again, he made the statement that he isn't a skindancer… let's fact check that.

I am not a skindancer

Let's assume for a moment that BB's a Skindancer. (Flashbacks to yesterday, I know. But hey, I'm quoting yesterday, so whatever.

He has no choice but to say he's not a Skindancer. If he doesn't, he'll look even more suspicious. For BB in particular, it's a lose-lose scenario, because he's pretty much guaranteed to get fact-checked or tons of suspicion. Bad either way. For the Skindancers in general?

Take a step back, to when Wonko first posted the "I am not a Skindancer" idea. What did the Skindancers think of that? I would guess something like "eeek". My first thought was, that seems kind of game-breaking. But after thinking abotu it for a bit, I realized that it's not really that bad. It just upgrades the Linguistics Analysis from a sometimes-helpful scan to a much-more-helpful scan, because it can confirm good people. It still can't reliably find eliminators, because some Villagers will lie, for one reason or another. But the eliminators can totally say "I am not a Skindancer" each round, and really, there are enough players that catching one of them is going to take a while. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they were doing it fairly early on. (Not first; of course. They were hoping it wouldn't catch on at that point. But early.) So it is a good idea, but it's not as helpful as it seems at first.

There… I didn't like the fact that thisismyusername was my username either… it was long and clumsy and just… not a name but a statement. Now… that has been remedied. If firemuffin is too long for some reason you can consolidate it down to muffin I guess.

Now that the BB accusations have all pretty much been dropped… I think the students should start coordinating our votes more. If we can focus our votes on one or two people we can confidently say are skindancers, then they'll get enough DP to be expelled. This is easier said than done, I know, but it's just my thought. Right now a lot of people arre voting on Wonko out of spite or frustration… that may not be all of the case, but that's at least what it looks like. Countervoting and things like that will hurt us. I have no reason to believe that wonko is a skindancer. Voting so much against him will jsut punish a student. Stuff like that will turn a consolidated effort to route out skindancers into something more akin to the Salem witch trials with innocent people being eliminated out of personal enmity between the prosecutor and the defendant.

For that reason, I urge people to pull their votes from Wonko and work together to try and find a real enemy that we can all vote against and expel. Teamwork on our part is the biggest threat to the skindancers. They succeed through distrust and chaos. If we take away that, learn who we can trust, and do it in an organized manner, then the skindancerss will be much less of a threat.

This seems very like an eliminator, Firemuffin. (I like how the word "fire" is red there.) You're calling us to "come together and find a common enemy!", but you provide absolutely no suggestions about how to do that or who to focus on. Voting is usually like this, with fairly small numbers of votes on each person. More than that would take major evidence, which hasn't happened.

If you have any suspicions or evidence, I'd be happy to hear it.

Alright, I think I have a plan. Bridge Boy.

Earlier today, BB PMed me and told me one of the fields that he has been studying in. Linguistics. He claims to be of the second elevation and to have the linguistics analysis ability. I believe that this ability is too good to give up, but also dangerous to have around if the analyst is a skindancer. Here is my plan.

Wonko, PM BB with the identity of your analyst and have your analyst clear (or not) BB. BB, you clear (or not) Wonko's analyst. That way, we can start clearing people twice as fast.

To keep the skindancers from killing either one of them, Wonko and BB keep your analyst secret. I am in contact with a physicker who claims to be of the first elevation. They can protect BB from sabotage this cycle, but they can only do it every second round. What I ask is that any and all other physickers contact me so that I can organize protection for the analysts.

If anyone doesn't trust me enough to let me organize protection, then have the analysts scan me after they scan each other.

Muffin, what makes you so certain that Wonko isn't a skindancer?

Obviously, this plan has since fallen apart. But did that physicker still protect BB? That would also explain the absence of a sabotage (and also why the eliminators really were not intelligent to target him, if they did).

Wonko, honestly what I think about your allegiance has nothing to do with you being someone I know personally. If I thought you were a skindancerr, I wouldn't trust you. However, as of now, I have no reason to believe you are. I don't really mind if you get eliminated… but only if you're a skindancer. If you're a sutdent, I want you alive, the same for every other student. It's just right now, I'm pretty sure I can trust you and I don't want to see someone I believe is innocent expelled.

Besides, Kynedath, what leads you to believe he's a skindancer? I'm not saying that I knw for a fact that he's not a skindancer, just that as of now, I am pretty certain I can trust him. I feel that there are better alternatives for your vote then him.

Edit: Not saying you are… but kynedath, wouldn't it make sense for you to be a skindancer too? You stepped up to coordinate the defense… wouldn't it make a lot of sense as an eliminator to be in the middle of things when dealing with the villagers? After all, you'd get identities of important/useful people that you need to take out. No one would suspect you because you'd be leading the defense. I'm not necessarily accusing you, just saying… I don't really see a reason to distrusst Wonko at the moment, but I can find reasons not to distrusst you. Again, not accusing you, just pointing that out.

Yes. Yes it would. Since BB, Wonko, Wonko's contact, Lopen, Kynedath, and his physicker are all involved, it seems very likely that at least one is a Skindancer. Be careful.

Yeah I'm thinking maybe I'm not paranoid enough…

Definitely not.

One thing I'd like to point out with reference to LG 16. I was an eliminator then, and meta's tunneling on me hurt my reputation in the late game. So, I'd say that most of the eliminators wouldn't be participating in such heated arguments so early on. So, I'd suspect people who have been quiet, yet participative in the thread.

Sorry, I'm in a rush.

One last thing-

Muffin said-Confirmed creeper anyone?

(For those who didn't understand this is not SE related.)

If you're talking about how I commented that "Meta was right", that didn't actually affect my suspicion of you, by the way. It was just a hilarious afterthought.

Cycle 3-2

The method I have for determining innocence is still active, but I won't say anything else about them. Also, my trust has spread to 3 people now. See, I can be nice! And STINK? You assassinated my brother. That'll probably call for some RP revenge, just to warn you. Also, metaphorical hands up whoever didn't realize that you had to send in housing each month, and was confused by keeping finding themselves on the streets! *Raises Hand*

Yeah, maybe I should read those rules a bit more thoroughly.

...

Nah, I'll be fine, there's no way that anything in there could potentially kill with my my not knowing about it. #SarcasmDoesn'tCarryVeryWellThroughWriting

That carried just fine. Italics also help. See below:

Secondly, no one seems to have noticed, but there was no sabotage. If BB is to be believed, the target was supposed to be him; he survived using a Bloodless I had given him.

No one noticed?

So no sabotage again? Under what circumstances does that happen, did we work that out?

No one noticed?

Hael, I'd say wait until the write-up is finished. Last time there was 2 people "arguing" in an alley and that hinted that the Skindancers had actually attacked 2 separate players and so both of their actions were cancelled, so we may learn something when the write-up is up.

No one noticed. I see. You, however, obviously don't.

I have speculated a bit above about this, but I would say wait for the rest until the writeup, which may clear it up.

You know, It might just be my grieving period still affecting my judgement, but if Wonko and BB were both skindancers . . .

Actually, that seems fairly plausible at the moment. Just think it over guys. I have to go, but I should be back in about three hours. If not, then tomorrow.

This seems very unlikely. Particularly since Wonko was trying so hard to get BB confirmed by Linguistic Analysis.

I'm currently a re'lur. The first time I leveled up, it was in linguistics, and I got the message posting action. The second time, it was in sympathy, and I got malignant sympathetic protection. I'm willing to take suggestions on what to study next.

I'm... really not sure why you said this in thread. Particularly message posting. See below for elaboration.

Wow. That's astoundingly selfless of you, Silver, especially since you've just essentially made your message-posting power useless. Thank you for being brave enough to share; this game needs more of that.

Selfless? Because Silverblade made their messaging power useless? That seems much less like a selfless sacrifice and much more like a waste to me.

Particularly with message posting. That's actually really useful this game, because of the multiple powers thing. Someone with message posting can, for instance, anonymously announce the results of a Linguistics Analysis scan, or provide information, or really whatever. All without the ability to be targeted by the eliminators, because they have no idea who the poster is! There are so many possibilities. If you keep your role secret.

This is why I disagree with you about your statement that "Revealing all of your information is always in the best interests of the Village and concealing is best for the eliminators", Wonko. Eliminators aren't only concealing themselves. They're also trying to find everything out about everyone else. A student could tell the thread "I'm a Physicker. Who should I physick?" But that would be useless in protecting against eliminators, because the eliminators always know who you're going to heal. If you don't follow the thread's advice, that makes it better, if it weren't for the fact that they would kill you before you have the chance to heal anyone else.

Same goes for any other role that the eliminators will particularly focus on. The difference there is that you can ask the thread for protection. But it's almost certainly not going to be consistent protection, so you're still much more likely to die than if you'd just stayed hidden. A balance to that (if necessary for passing on information or something) is a go-between for the thread. And that's fine. But the way you put it, Wonko, (and I don't think you meant it exactly this way but this is how it came out), you would be hypocritical. If you think information should be revealed to the thread, why haven't you revealed your Linguistics Analysis contact? Answer: they would die. So you don't. Perfectly sensible. But while this is a game of information, it's not as simple as "Village finds, Eliminators hide".

Sorry about that. It turned into a bit of a rant. At least I got everything done. Eventually. Except for RP. But I'll do that in the morning because my bed is calling me.

EDIT: Sorry about the length. This is what happens if I don't post for three days.

Edited March 11, 2016 by Elbereth

[Haelbarde he/him]

The number of votes we put on people does matter. It's the part we can control. If there are no votes on a player, we guarantee that that player won't be expelled or brought on the horns. Every vote we place on them increases that probability. The first vote increases the chance most dramatically (from nothing to something[/i]), but more votes means more chance. Don't go around telling people their votes don't matter! That's sad.

If I understand it properly, the number of complaints on any one player doesn't affect the distribution of DP from Masters, only the number of players with complaints. However, every 2 complaints on a player adds 1 DP to that player.

 

So basically what you said, but I just wanted to point out that extra votes don't increase probability of getting more DP from the Masters (obviously the 1st vote increases it from 0 to 1/(# of players with complaints on them), but after that...). The extra votes increase the probability of the player getting a more serious punishment. 

 

No one noticed?

No one noticed?

No one noticed. I see. You, however, obviously don't.

o.O Apparently not. Which doesn't bode well for that plan. Well that probably answers that question. *Note to self: Read the thread properly*

[Wonko the Sane he/him]

Yeah. I did apologize to Hael up above for having missed that. I have no excuse; I don't know why I didn't see it. It wasn't a physicker, though, unless BB is lying about having used up my Bloodless. Which, given the way he's been playing this game, is absolutely conceivable, but I really don't see a motive.

 

And yes, it's more complicated than I'm making it out to be. Otherwise, it would be a pretty boring game. However, I firmly believe that "Village finds, Eliminators hide" is rooted at the core of every part of the game, and that's something a lot of Village players would do better to keep in mind -- not as set of rules, but as a guiding philosophy. And in the case of my Analyst, why am I bothering to protect them? Answer: because in the long run, keeping them alive nets us more information than revealing them right now. I feel that most situations where it's better for the Village to hide things actually boil down to revealing even more in the long run.

 

I agree that Silver's role-claim was inadvisable, but I felt that it would be rather hypocritical of me to point that out. The spirit of trust and candor that Silver showed is, in my opinion, very admirable. It was just exercised in a poorly-thought-out way.

 

Without secrets and lies, the Eliminators cannot win the game.

[TheMightyLopen he/him]

 

I agree that Silver's role-claim was inadvisable, but I felt that it would be rather hypocritical of me to point that out. The spirit of trust and candor that Silver showed is, in my opinion, very admirable. It was just exercised in a poorly-thought-out way.

 

I fear that my post about players willingness to reveal in PM's but not the thread may have been part of the reason he revealed. I didn't intend to mean that players should reveal in the thread. I was just noting the way players tend to be when it comes to information. Players will often hold back important information from the thread for as long as possible(even sometimes when it would probably be wiser to make absolutely certain that information reaches the thread), but will reveal their role/ability fairly regularly if you just ask in a PM.

 

One more thing before I'm off to bed, but I suggest that if anyone is gonna vote for any reason at all, do it before there's only 10 minutes left in the Month. Voting that late is almost always gonna cause problems. For you, or for the player you're voting against. If you want to get the tuition decrease, then fine, vote, but I don't think it's fair to vote for someone and not give them much of a chance to persuade you to move/remove your vote before the end of the Month. Like what happened with Elbereth last Month. It's possible she's a Skindancer and voting on her would actually help our team, but unless you actually think that might be the case and have solid reasoning for the vote(s), I'd advise you leave her and Burnt alone, voting wise.

[little wilson she/her]

The writeup is up. I wanted to add a part with the assassin, but I'll just save what I've got for another time. Sorry it took so long to get up. I've been really busy the last couple days and haven't been able to work on it after I get home from work. But it's up now so analyze away.

[Kynedath]

So wait, does this mean that I have an extra ten talents?

[little wilson she/her]

No, that's just flavor.

[Mailliw73 he/him]

The writeup is up. I wanted to add a part with the assassin, but I'll just save what I've got for another time. Sorry it took so long to get up. I've been really busy the last couple days and haven't been able to work on it after I get home from work. But it's up now so analyze away.

If someone was attacked but protected somehow, didn't you say we'd get hints to that in the writeup?

 

If BB was attacked like he claimed, there's nothing in that writeup to indicate it.

 

EDIT: Scratch that, missed this paragraph the first time through: "He heard a scuffle from an alley across the street and brought his head up, curious to see what was going on. There wasn’t much. Just a figure cloaked in shadow holding up some device. There wasn’t even anyone around the figure. Likely just some person who’d find themselves hauled off to the Crockery soon. The insane didn’t interest Marcos, so he focused once again on his lute and his song."

Edited March 11, 2016 by Mailliw73

[little wilson she/her]

Important Change:

 

In perpetua lodging orders are no longer valid. I will allow the ones already placed to go through for this turn, but next term, everyone must put in lodging orders or they'll be out on the streets.

[Danosaur he/him]

I have a question about the linguistics analysis ability, if I were to post something that is a truth, but I don't have information to prove it would it come up as true. Like if i posted

"BB is a master of ... " 

and it was checked with the linguistics ability, would it come as false since I don't know, or assuming BB is actually a master, would it come up as true?

 

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I am not a skindancer

[little wilson she/her]

The Linguistic Analyst is not told when someone told the truth. They're simply told when someone lied. If you don't know you're lying, then they'll simply be told that you didn't tell a lie. Just because you didn't tell a lie doesn't mean everything you said is true. It's simple not a lie, as far as the speaker knows.