shadowwisp Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Sazed? Did anyone else think he was kinda off with Kelsier? When Kelsier requested Sazed to heal Spook and maybe make him into a mistborn, he replied "I'll consider it". It just seemed so out of character for him. I expected more of a "Okay, I'll see what I can do; it's the least I can do from one old friend to another. Spook has been through a lot but he grown a lot as well, hasn't he?" Another thing that threw me off was when he lied to Kelsier about coming back to life. He seemed okay with bringing Vin and Elend back to life a few minutes ago. it just seemed like he was talking more to a business partner than an old friend. I can see this happening with Second Era Sazed due to the intent changing influence of both shards but not for First Era Sazed when he is more Sazed than Harmony. Did anyone else think he was acting strangely around Kelsier? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent he/him Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Yeeeaaah... I didn't wonder much about it, but I noticed something felt off. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 I just chalked it up to watching the world end, taking up the power of two gods and perhaps being able to sense Kels mind through Preservations power, causing him to get a different view. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windrunner he/him Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 I'm pretty sure that Sazed has a good idea of the sort of shenanigans that Kell will get up to if he makes it back into the Physical Realm. Sazed doesn't love Hemalurgy and if he wanted it to remain unknown, Kell is an obstacle to that. I'm not surprised that he lied. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeatherWriter she/her Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 I was very much on Saze's side at the end of that. The most frustrating part of the book was Kelsier's insistence that he stick around into the Alloy Era. I'm just like... look, you did your thing, you helped save the world, you handed the power off to Vin. Now, your job is done, go to the Beyond and go see your wife and Vin and Elend, please. Deciding to stick around and chat with Spook... trying to get him to figure out Hemalurgy... trying to come back. It's all so... frustratingly in-character for Kelsier, but it makes me want to tear my hair out. I feel like Saze was thinking along the same lines as me, and didn't want to encourage this sort of "bad behavior" in Kelsier. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstSelector Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 To be fair, Kelsier has a really good point at the end - Scadrial is frighteningly behind in cosmere terms. In fact, if it weren't for Kelsier, some random Elantrian would have walked off with Preservation and let Ruin destroy the planet! He knows that they have to figure things out, and quickly, lest one of the other Shards come in and terrorize the planet in some way Sazed doesn't understand. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 To be fair for Sazed though, on the other hand, Kelsier may have a point but he's essentially known to all his companions as the ultimate loose cannon. He is a great man, possibly the greatest they will ever know, but he does what he wants, most of his plans are completely insane, and the scary part is that they almost always work. He sets out to do something and he will perform whatever brand of sheer madness to accomplish it, because Rust and Ruin, who the hell do you think he is? He's Kelsier the Survivor. Sazed might want a . . . safer method. That and Kelsier really should be dead at this point, that much is true. And yes, if you've noticed by now I'm comparing the first two Mistborn eras to Gurren Lagann. Sue me, it makes perfect sense. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted February 3, 2016 Report Share Posted February 3, 2016 So random thought I just had. I know the real reason he didn't want to go to the great beyond. He doesn't want to deal with Mare saying "I told you so! I never betrayed you, you dunce!" 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emailanimal he/him Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Yeeeaaah... I didn't wonder much about it, but I noticed something felt off. Sazed has *just taken up* two Shards. PTSD much? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII he/him Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Ahhh i've been cursing Spook for three books about documenting Hemalurgy but it was Kelsier bullying him into it. That makes sense. When Vin was passing through to the other side and she was lecturing Kelsier about love i was thinking wow cheeky much, then he refused to reunite with his wife and wanted to live again and proved her right again ahaha Last time i doubt Vins intuition Seeing Hoid and Kriss was the best part and all those...so much Cosmere stuff Haha that old crone trying to jump ship to serve Ruin when her associates were out of sight after giving it the Big I Am.. I'll be keeping an eye out for her on Sel.. Edited February 4, 2016 by WEZ313 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidWayne he/him Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Yeah, I had the same thought about Sazed. I chalked it up to the memories of the Preservation shard giving Sazed some insight into Kelsier's mind, as well as his double-shard future-reading powers instructing him on what responses will have the desired effects on Kelsier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupis Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Personally I just think Sazed was wary of Kel trying to punch him, he'd done it to the other shard holders after all. 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invested Beard Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Personally I just think Sazed was wary of Kel trying to punch him, he'd done it to the other shard holders after all. I like this idea. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emailanimal he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I like this idea. I smell a question to Brandon brewing: how many more Shardholders does Kelsier get to punch in the course of Cosmere history? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 (edited) I smell a question to Brandon brewing: how many more Shardholders does Kelsier get to punch in the course of Cosmere history? RAFO! No I'm not actually Brandon. Edited February 6, 2016 by Landis963 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emailanimal he/him Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 RAFO! No I'm not actually Brandon. See, this is one of those cases where rafo actually means that yes, he got to punch someone else. My money is on Bavadin, after which he and Hoid make up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII he/him Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 "Have you recently suffered and attack at work? Been punched in the face just for doing your job? If so you are entitled to Karmic compensation, please call Hoid on 555-KARMA." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 (edited) See, this is one of those cases where rafo actually means that yes, he got to punch someone else. My money is on Bavadin, after which he and Hoid make up. No it's not, he could just throw in a RAFO to make you think there's some significance to whether Kelsier punches Shardvessels. Edited February 7, 2016 by Ari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
echaozh he/him Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I smell a question to Brandon brewing: how many more Shardholders does Kelsier get to punch in the course of Cosmere history? Punch in the face! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelsier's Boxing Glove Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 Personally I just think Sazed was wary of Kel trying to punch him, he'd done it to the other shard holders after all. I approve of this. No it's not, he could just throw in a RAFO to make you think there's some significance to whether Kelsier punches Shardvessels. The significance of Kelsier punching Shardvessels is clear. It doesn't get more significant than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubdor he/him Posted February 7, 2016 Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 I was very much on Saze's side at the end of that. The most frustrating part of the book was Kelsier's insistence that he stick around into the Alloy Era. I'm just like... look, you did your thing, you helped save the world, you handed the power off to Vin. Now, your job is done, go to the Beyond and go see your wife and Vin and Elend, please. Deciding to stick around and chat with Spook... trying to get him to figure out Hemalurgy... trying to come back. It's all so... frustratingly in-character for Kelsier, but it makes me want to tear my hair out. I feel like Saze was thinking along the same lines as me, and didn't want to encourage this sort of "bad behavior" in Kelsier. This is exactly why I love Kelsier. Kelsier is by far my favourite Cosmere character specifically because of these things. I guess he just stuck with me from the start of FE and I never let go. That also led to me disliking Elend throughout the entire series, however. I have the feeling that no matter what happens in the Cosmere, I'm always gonna be on Kelsier's side for some reason. I just trust him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landis963 he/him Posted February 9, 2016 Report Share Posted February 9, 2016 Say what you will about Kelsier, but he never gives up without a storming good reason. And very few things constitute a storming good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanderfan she/her Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 This is exactly why I love Kelsier. Kelsier is by far my favourite Cosmere character specifically because of these things. I guess he just stuck with me from the start of FE and I never let go. That also led to me disliking Elend throughout the entire series, however. I have the feeling that no matter what happens in the Cosmere, I'm always gonna be on Kelsier's side for some reason. I just trust him. I did the exact same thing on my first read through. I couldn't stand Elend for the longest time. It wasn't until I reread the series a couple of times that I finally warmed up to him, and I actually really love him now. So yes, Kelsier can have that effect on people I guess. And I suspect Saze was so curt with Kell was because, yeah, Kell is becoming really questionable in my opinion at least, and Saze can see that. Like I said, I love the guy, I really do, but I'm questioning his choices. Yes, he wants to advance Scadrial's cosmere-awareness, but did he really have to be the one to do it? And through Hemalurgy research (which must have been very gruesome)? So yeah, in short, Saze is concerned about Kell's motivations and methods, as am I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wubdor he/him Posted February 14, 2016 Report Share Posted February 14, 2016 (edited) I did the exact same thing on my first read through. I couldn't stand Elend for the longest time. It wasn't until I reread the series a couple of times that I finally warmed up to him, and I actually really love him now. So yes, Kelsier can have that effect on people I guess. I did dislike Elend a little less on my 2nd read-through and I actually didn't mind him in HoA. But overall, I doubt I'll ever be a fan of him. Edited February 14, 2016 by Wubdor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taveren he/him Posted February 15, 2016 Report Share Posted February 15, 2016 To be fair for Sazed though, on the other hand, Kelsier may have a point but he's essentially known to all his companions as the ultimate loose cannon. He is a great man, possibly the greatest they will ever know, but he does what he wants, most of his plans are completely insane, and the scary part is that they almost always work. He sets out to do something and he will perform whatever brand of sheer madness to accomplish it, because Rust and Ruin, who the hell do you think he is? He's Kelsier the Survivor. Sazed might want a . . . safer method. That and Kelsier really should be dead at this point, that much is true. And yes, if you've noticed by now I'm comparing the first two Mistborn eras to Gurren Lagann. Sue me, it makes perfect sense. i've always thought the parallels between the 2 to be fairly strong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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