Jke Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 It could be the aftermath of the shattering, just now reaching distant planets. Or, if it's Taln's Scar, it could be something visible that happened during the last desolation and now those on Scadrial can now see it since the ash is gone.
Copperkeep Posted January 30, 2016 Posted January 30, 2016 It could be the aftermath of the shattering, just now reaching distant planets. Or, if it's Taln's Scar, it could be something visible that happened during the last desolation and now those on Scadrial can now see it since the ash is gone. I thought this same phenomenon was visible from Scadrial during the Final Empire? Mention that the world had no moon, but a belt of bright stars?
yurisses Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 The involved planets are actually in a rather small star cluster, much smaller than a dwarf galaxy. This star cluster is within a galaxy. Regarding distance.
yurisses Posted February 1, 2016 Posted February 1, 2016 http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/33044-is-the-cosmere-a-universe-or-a-galaxy/#entry287697 (You can get the source by clicking on the little arrow to the right of my quote. TYL.)
RShara she/her Posted February 1, 2016 Author Posted February 1, 2016 Cool feature I didn't know about. If they're that close together then it is possible that they're seeing the Rip or Scar in a very similar way. Maybe a little bit of distortion, depending on distance, still. I just really really wish that we had a map
natc Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Obviously an army of a few thousand Calamities *shot*
RShara she/her Posted February 2, 2016 Author Posted February 2, 2016 Haha. It does remind me a lot of the Calamity star, and I kept having to stop myself from using it as a comparison.
Rasarr she/her Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 I must admit that at first I just thought, "well, fantasy red stars, it happens" ("it happens" is a phrase I should definitely forget when regarding Cosmere), but you got me thinking. Could it be the sight of Adonalsium shattering? Depending on how far away all the Shardworlds are from where-Yolen-once-was, it could be that the visual effects of the Shattering are only now reaching them, so unwittingly, Scardialans, Rosharans and rest of the company are only now seeing the death of Adonalsium. Must be rusting weird for Hoid. The other option is, as somebody noted upthread, Cosmeran edition of Eye of Terror. I could well imagine Adonalsium's death ripping open the Physical, with Spiritual and Cognitive spilling in and taking on red colour as some weird quirk to their interactions with Physical (or perhaps Spiritual is red by nature?). Perhaps the red stars are places where this sun-thing visible in Shadesmar is shining through the rips.
Trabue Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 I know everyone dismisses the idea that Calamity is a shard but I'm not convinced yet, mostly because of the uncanny similarities between Scadrial and Earth (guns, trains, cars, etc.). It might be worth some thought that the Red Rip could be an epic/shard.
Delightful Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 I know everyone dismisses the idea that Calamity is a shard but I'm not convinced yet, mostly because of the uncanny similarities between Scadrial and Earth (guns, trains, cars, etc.). It might be worth some thought that the Red Rip could be an epic/shard.It's been definitively stated by Brandon that any alternate earth such as Reckoners or Rithmatist are not Cosmere. There is no way that Calamity is a 1/16 of Adonalsium. 4
taveren he/him Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 why does it need to be a group of stars maybe it is a bright nebula
Pattern he/him Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 All that red reminds me a lot of voidspren in WoR. Taln's scar are stars /red dots of light. The Rip sounded more like an extended object/entity. Might Odium have taken a little trip to Scadrial, being stopped by Harmony at the time? 1
sanderfan she/her Posted February 14, 2016 Posted February 14, 2016 I'm reluctant to say that it's a nebula, as those don't normally appear as a bunch of stars, but more of a cloud, though perhaps if a nebula were much closer, it could look different. The most visible nebula from earth is probably the Orion Nebula, and it's rather faint, so who knows what one would look like closer. I also wouldn't rule out it just being stars, though it would be unlikely for that many red stars to appear so closely together, especially ones large enough to see their color so distinctly. Of course, there's the perspective thing where they're not actually that close together, but the thing with red stars is that they're either very very big (red giants, aka dying stars), or very very small (stars that don't burn very hot because they just formed small). For them to be visible, they'd either all have to be red giants (which are much more luminous because of their size) or just small stars very close to Scadrial. So yeah, I don't really know either, but I like the idea of it just being a very large, red constellation that's visible from two different star systems. (this is my first time on this forum in ages! school just takes so much time, but it is where I learned all of this stuff about stars and nebulas so, you know, I guess it's worth it...)
echaozh he/him Posted February 14, 2016 Posted February 14, 2016 Isn't the recipient of the Letter Hoid wrote was located on Yolen? He/She got the letter and mailed out a reply, and was obviously in touch with the 17th Shard. How can someone as cosmere aware as Khriss consider Yolen hidden?
Rasarr she/her Posted February 14, 2016 Posted February 14, 2016 (edited) Isn't the recipient of the Letter Hoid wrote was located on Yolen? He/She got the letter and mailed out a reply, and was obviously in touch with the 17th Shard. How can someone as cosmere aware as Khriss consider Yolen hidden? Are we certain the recipient was on Yolen? Leafing through the Letters, I don't seem to see any mention of Yolen, do we have a WoB or something? Edited February 14, 2016 by Rasarr
PallonianFire he/him Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Are we certain the recipient was on Yolen? Leafing through the Letters, I don't seem to see any mention of Yolen, do we have a WoB or something? The prevailing theory is that the recipient is a character named Frost, from Dragonsteel, which would indicate Yolen. Now, it could be that he moved during/after the Shattering and that's how Khriss could be in touch with him/part of the Seventeenth Shard while being unable to access Yolen. 1
DreamEternal Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) The prevailing theory is that the recipient is a character named Frost, from Dragonsteel, which would indicate Yolen. Now, it could be that he moved during/after the Shattering and that's how Khriss could be in touch with him/part of the Seventeenth Shard while being unable to access Yolen. There is also a WoB saying Frost isn't a worldhopper, and saying he and Saze and tied for most cosmere-aware non-worldhopper.And Khriss is the most cosmere aware character in the whole cosmere, followed by Nazh and Hoid, yet she didn't know the location of Yolen by the time of M:SH, so it just means everyone has incomplete knowledge. Edited February 19, 2016 by DreamEternal 1
natc Posted February 18, 2016 Posted February 18, 2016 Well technically you can ditch a planet without worldhopping. Terribly inefficient but you could . . .
echaozh he/him Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 There is also a WoB saying Frost isn't a worldhopper, and saying he and Saze and tied for most cosmere-aware non-worldhopper. And Khriss is the most cosmere aware character in the whole cosmere, followed by Nazh and Hoid, yet she didn't know the lovmcation of Yolen by the time of M:SH, so it just means everyone has incomplete knowledge. Hmm, how can Hoid be less cosmere aware than Khriss? What does cosmere awareness actually mean? Understand all the magic systems? Know all the local ongoing politics?
natc Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Well Khriss does go out of her way for research material. Hoid has an agenda.
Pathfinder Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Yeah I kind of look at it as Hoid is a hunter in the Serengeti while Khriss is Jane Goodall.
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted February 19, 2016 Posted February 19, 2016 Khriss is researching and creating (presumably) a guide/encyclopaedia to understanding Realmatic Theory and Investiture Interactions (a la Ars Arcanum), Hoid is planning shenanigans and likes to learn niche tricks
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