18th Shard he/him Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Perhaps his spren will become important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasarr she/her Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 Perhaps his spren will become important. It just might. It (don't remember the gender of it...) could warn our heroes in Uruthiru about crazed Radiant-slayer coming their way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted January 28, 2016 Report Share Posted January 28, 2016 It just might. It (don't remember the gender of it...) could warn our heroes in Uruthiru about crazed Radiant-slayer coming their way. But the Spren needs to bond another Radiant to keep his mind and warn someone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasarr she/her Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 But the Spren needs to bond another Radiant to keep his mind and warn someone Uhm, right. True. Here goes this theory. So in this case, I don't think Ym's spren will be coming back. Unless it bonds another Edgedancer and regains its memories of what happened to Ym, but that's just a tad far-fetched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARARITA he/him Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I think Ym is the Cobbler from Elantris - Mareshe I think we'll see him again - can the spren heal him on it's own ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I think Ym is the Cobbler from Elantris - Mareshe I think we'll see him again - can the spren heal him on it's own ? Elantris happens somewhere between 500 and 1300 years before SA though . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedshaman Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) Elantris happens somewhere between 500 and 1300 years before SA though . Yeah but galladon is one of the strangers in the purelake scene. Also aren't Elantrians basically immortal? Edited January 30, 2016 by stonedshaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted February 1, 2016 Report Share Posted February 1, 2016 Yeah but galladon is one of the strangers in the purelake scene. Also aren't Elantrians basically immortal? They are immortal, but whether when they are on the physical realm of another planet that it still works that way remains to be seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunyip99 he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Report Share Posted February 2, 2016 It makes me sad, but I don't think we'll see Ym again. I totally agree with the others who'd like to see more of him - there was a real sweetness to his character. The fact that Brandon could, in a short interlude, acquaint us so well with Ym is a tribute to the author's skill. I think the whole point of the interlude was to emphasize the wrongness of a Herald-gone-bad. I still wonder if the Heralds were really good, originally - that maybe they are paying off some cosmic/cosmere debt by playing the hero on Roshar, and if we really knew their full backstory, we might think they deserve the awful tortures they endure between Desolations.Aggie, I think you are 100% correct as to the intent of the interlude, and while I did like Ym as a character, I would not like to see him return. I think for most characters, dead must mean dead, so that when the odd character does return, it is unexpected. Also, with regard to the Heralds not being good originally, I found this snippet which might back you up. " There were stories of evil men made immortal, then tortured over and over again---like Extes, who had his arms torn off each day for sacrificing his son to the voidbringers in exchange for knowledge of the day of his death. It was just a tale, but tales came from somewhere". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ninja Yodeler he/him Posted February 4, 2016 Report Share Posted February 4, 2016 Aggie, I think you are 100% correct as to the intent of the interlude, and while I did like Ym as a character, I would not like to see him return. I think for most characters, dead must mean dead, so that when the odd character does return, it is unexpected. Also, with regard to the Heralds not being good originally, I found this snippet which might back you up. " There were stories of evil men made immortal, then tortured over and over again---like Extes, who had his arms torn off each day for sacrificing his son to the voidbringers in exchange for knowledge of the day of his death. It was just a tale, but tales came from somewhere". I mean I don't think it's impossible some of them might not have been the best of men, but I don't think evil men would fight on the side of Honor. And I don't see Tanavast recruiting evil men to fight for him. But it is a cool idea I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treamayne Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well, that would beg the philosophical question as to whether Honor is related to - or - independent of the traits Good and Evil. Is Evil inherently dishonorable? Can a being be both Evil and Honorable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well, that would beg the philosophical question as to whether Honor is related to - or - independent of the traits Good and Evil. Is Evil inherently dishonorable? Can a being be both Evil and Honorable? Well there is the typical trope of the honorable villian, whether or not I could see that as an actual reality I am not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Invested Beard Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Well, that would beg the philosophical question as to whether Honor is related to - or - independent of the traits Good and Evil. Is Evil inherently dishonorable? Can a being be both Evil and Honorable? Well, technically if you make a promise to kill a man and then never go against that promise, working to fulfill it you would remain within the bounds of honor. If you see it in your minds eye as upholding your honor to get revenge on someone you see as evil. Yeah it's all pretty subjective if you think about it. Edited February 5, 2016 by The Invested Beard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weltall Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well, that would beg the philosophical question as to whether Honor is related to - or - independent of the traits Good and Evil. Is Evil inherently dishonorable? Can a being be both Evil and Honorable? Under the definition of honor that we currently have to work with, it seems so. Making promises and keeping them would fit Syl's explanation for how Honorspren work, assuming the promise doesn't conflict with the First Ideal at the very least. And if we take Nale at his word that Szeth would make an ideal Skybreaker (and assume for purposes of argument that he's not insane in this respect) then apparently you can do things that most people would say are evil (ie, murder and lots of it) while still acting withing the bounds established by the cosmic principle of 'honor'. We'll see if Szeth actually becomes one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallen Rope he/him Posted February 5, 2016 Report Share Posted February 5, 2016 But the Spren needs to bond another Radiant to keep his mind and warn someone I'd guess that when a Radiant dies their spren goes back to shadesmar, so they would retain their mind, so it's posible that Jasnah could meet his spren when she is in shademar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ninja Yodeler he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 I'd guess that when a Radiant dies their spren goes back to shadesmar, so they would retain their mind, so it's posible that Jasnah could meet his spren when she is in shademar. Oh wow Ive never thought of that. Always just assumed when a human bonded to a spren dies, so does the spren. Interesting thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ninja Yodeler he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 Well, that would beg the philosophical question as to whether Honor is related to - or - independent of the traits Good and Evil. Is Evil inherently dishonorable? Can a being be both Evil and Honorable? Was gonna write some protracted post, but decided against it. Short answer. It would all depend upon the person/culture. It's all grey man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter he/him Posted February 6, 2016 Report Share Posted February 6, 2016 While I really liked the character that Brandon created in Ym...I seriously doubt that we will be seeing him again. I would also be more than a little disappointed if he did make a return. As some of my fellow sharders have pointed out in this post...you need to maintain a level of danger and finality in your fictional universe. While it's not a terrible sin to have the occasional character come back from the dead...or to have somehow survived when the audience thinks that they're dead...if you play that card too often, the story gets boring. I think the most interesting part of Ym's interlude was his explanation of the universe. I believe that Ym is a practitioner of a VERY old theology in the cosmere...perhaps even one that dates back to the shattering...much like the worldsinger / worldbringer philosophy we see elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosephOfHathsin he/him Posted February 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2016 This was a great topic lol I was rereading WoR early this week and I was thinking if Ym truly was a Truthwatcher, than perhaps he gained this view of the Cosmere through 'Seeing in all worlds' with his abilities. I think if Yms personality was influenced by these powers, than it would be cool to possibly see Renarin fall into that type of Ym attitude, or maybe even make contact with Ym and other Truthwatchers that have died, some how. I'm just saying Truthwatchers powers are pretty vague lol and it'd be cool if they had an understanding of the Cosmere mirroring The ghostbloods or 17th shard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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