Elithanathile he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 no. 5 there is automatic, but no. 3 is just unrealistic. What if his portals can't affect other epics. Would that work? Think of them as invested or something.
Elithanathile he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 I know. It's a metaphor. Thus the word "think" as opposed to "are." It's not, but I could still use some cosmere terms to explain things. I do it all the time IRL.
ChickenPlague he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Some things he can do with his powers are: Walk on air, by moving a portal connected with the ground underneath him. Glide, by jumping off of a building and portaling himself to travel sideways. Strand other epics in space, by portaling them out there, then cutting off the portal. Grab a sword from anywhere, by keeping an armory that he creates a portal to when he seems about to lose his previous sword. Become unhittable, by creating a portal system around himself that traps shots fired into it. When he releases the outer portal, all shots fly out in a rain of lead. Wouldn't the atmosphere stop him from seeing the space?
The Swan Dragon he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 I know. It's a metaphor. Thus the word "think" as opposed to "are." It's not, but I could still use some cosmere terms to explain things. I do it all the time IRL. XD. I've been following this conversation, and that last sentence is awesome.
Elithanathile he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 He was talking about space space? I thought he meant empty space. Super high up and all. Yeah, he couldn't see to space space.
Blaze1616 he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Re Sword Discussion: I'm confused as to what's under suspicion? His weakness, or his proficiency? If it's his proficiency, it's nothing more than he's happened to enjoy sword play, no big deal. If it's his weakness...it can't be swords. If he uses swords to fight, his weakness can't be swords. There's no getting around that. You'd either have to change the weakness or change the fighting style. There's really no way around it, so long as the weakness is, verbatim, "swords". Out of simple curiosity, why are you wanting the weakness to be swords, specifically?
Paranoid King he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Wouldn't the atmosphere stop him from seeing the space? Would smoke block his vision? Fog? Light mist? Air? Because if he can see the moon, he should be able to make a portal there. I'd suggest restricting his range to 1,000 miles. He can still do his cool portal stuff without reaching to the moon or sun. It kinda limits his powers to the earth scale, rather than the cosmic scale.
Elithanathile he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) It fits in with his character, but his weakness isn't swords, it's getting stabbed by one. I am currently working on changing the weakness though. Edit: 1,000 miles could work. That is plenty far. And smoke/fog etc. does affect it, due to him having to see it to put a portal there, as I have stated before. Edited February 2, 2016 by Bridge Boy
Edgedancer he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 It fits in with his character, but his weakness isn't swords, it's getting stabbed by one. I am currently working on changing the weakness though. Except that we know that partial exposure already has an effect and even without that, the posibility that he might accidentally poke himself with his sword or somehow cut himself when maintaning it should be enough to have him break down.
Elithanathile he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Yeah, so the current WIP weakness is NOT having a sword close by.
Edgedancer he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) Yeah, so the current WIP weakness is NOT having a sword close by. Hmm, what range are you thinking about? Edited February 2, 2016 by Edgedancer
Elithanathile he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Do we want to go with in range of his sight? So if he would be able to see it if he looked around?
Edgedancer he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Do we want to go with in range of his sight? So if he would be able to see it if he looked around? The problem with a rather lax limitation like that is that his primary power would baisically make it impossible for his weakness to be triggered, short of breaking the swords he is using, as he can always just pull the ones close to him back to him. Another question, for his auto-defenses , how far away from his body do they actually open and what if someone was only specifically aiming at something he's carrying.
Paranoid King he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 So if someone tied a blindfold on him, he would be helpless?
Elithanathile he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) So if someone tied a blindfold on him, he would be helpless? No. It's if he could see it if he looked around. Otherwise blinking would negate his powers, as well as sleep, which makes him a pretty lousy epic/high epic. The problem with a rather lax limitation like that is that his primary power would baisically make it impossible for his weakness to be triggered, short of breaking the swords he is using, as he can always just pull the ones close to him back to him. Another question, for his auto-defenses , how far away from his body do they actually open and what if someone was only specifically aiming at something he's carrying. Well, he is a high epic. His defenses activate just above his skin, and they would not activate if he wasn't going to be harmed by it, but he could decide to open a portal to block the shot, if he saw it coming. Edit: I do think it is a bit powerful though, which is why it's still a WIP. Edited February 2, 2016 by Bridge Boy
Edgedancer he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 No. It's if he could see it if he looked around. Otherwise blinking would negate his powers, as well as sleep, which makes him a pretty lousy epic/high epic. Well, he is a high epic. His defenses activate just above his skin, and they would not activate if he wasn't going to be harmed by it, but he could decide to open a portal to block the shot, if he saw it coming. Yes, and weaknesses are what's supposed to get past that High Epic status. So tecnically, someone could kill him by attacking through the portals that are automatically protecting him? On a different not, you mentioned him linking portals of different size, how would that work? Would only a section of the larger portal connect unless the smaller one fits comepletely through it?
Elithanathile he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Yes, and weaknesses are what's supposed to get past that High Epic status. So tecnically, someone could kill him by attacking through the portals that are automatically protecting him? On a different not, you mentioned him linking portals of different size, how would that work? Would only a section of the larger portal connect unless the smaller one fits comepletely through it? Yes, people could attack him through the portal, but since the portals are turned away from his body, that would be extremely difficult. The defense system doesn't redirect the blow or anything, it just portals it somewhere else. Somewhere far away, or underground, as it does not have the same "must see it" restriction. But yes, it is possible. And the defense portals only stay open for as long as needed to defend from the attack. With the portals of different sizes, the one that is linked to the one he is looking at will distort the image he sees, stretching it to fit the portal he is viewing, (Think increasing the size of a picture for a presentation,) but he still can't go through. It is potentially possible for him to make fake portals this way, that things can't actually go through.
Voidus Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 Suggestion on the swords thing: His father wanted him to be a national champion at Kendo/Fencing/some sword discipline so rather than teaching it as a means of defense it's taught for tournaments, parents beating their children in order to live through them is a sad and depressing but realistic motive I'd think.And I'm pretty ok with not having a sword being his weakness as a medium for a fear of disappointing his father, though I'd give something of a hard limit on the distance it has to be, given how Epic weaknesses tend to be I'd imagine it would need to be quite close, like 10 meters or so.
Citadel16 he/him Posted February 2, 2016 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) On that note, warriormarck, how did that battle, as well as the characters involved, take place in relations to Astoria proper? Also, that Antimatter segemnt mentioned Renegade but if I remember right you wanted to scrap him. the battle happened outside Astoria but ended with Ragnarok hitting the water just outside the city, about a mile or so from the port. I wanted to scrap him in the way that he wouldn't show up anywhere for a long time. he still exists and is still a creepy dirtbag, but he won't show up in astoria for a while(if ever, I may tweak something a bit). but he may send blood minions to create some chaos, but those will be vanilla type NPC and will die a lot. Edited February 3, 2016 by warriormark16
Edgedancer he/him Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 Bridge Boy, say how do the edges of his portals interact with stuff. the battle happened outside Astoria but ended with Ragnarok hitting the water just outside the city, about a mile or so from the port. I wanted to scrap him in the way that he wouldn't show up anywhere for a long time. he still exists and is still a creepy dirtbag, but he won't show up in astoria for a while(if ever, I may tweak something a bit). but he may send blood minions to create some chaos, but those will be vanilla type NPC and will die a lot. Okay, so that Stormageddon he mentioned has base somewhere on the other side of the short or where?Also Blackhoof would you agree that crushing into the river like that would put Ragnarok straight on the list of things Winterspell ought to look at?
Blackhoof Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 Oh i definitely think so He would be enjoying a nice breakfast when suddenly that happens. He'd probably send someone over to inspect it.
Citadel16 he/him Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Bridge Boy, say how do the edges of his portals interact with stuff. Okay, so that Stormageddon he mentioned has base somewhere on the other side of the short or where? Also Blackhoof would you agree that crushing into the river like that would put Ragnarok straight on the list of things Winterspell ought to look at? Oh i definitely think so He would be enjoying a nice breakfast when suddenly that happens. He'd probably send someone over to inspect it. stormegeddon is the motivation for a few of my characters that I have on backburner. I doubt she will be seen anywhere near Astoria. her base is probably located near the center of Oregon. I haven't given that particular detail much thought actually... Edited February 3, 2016 by warriormark16
Elithanathile he/him Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Suggestion on the swords thing: His father wanted him to be a national champion at Kendo/Fencing/some sword discipline so rather than teaching it as a means of defense it's taught for tournaments, parents beating their children in order to live through them is a sad and depressing but realistic motive I'd think. And I'm pretty ok with not having a sword being his weakness as a medium for a fear of disappointing his father, though I'd give something of a hard limit on the distance it has to be, given how Epic weaknesses tend to be I'd imagine it would need to be quite close, like 10 meters or so. 10 Meters is plenty enough, and that backstory works fine. For some reason, I hadn't even considered the tournament aspect. Bridge Boy, say how do the edges of his portals interact with stuff. My thoughts were that they were kinda solid, so that things can't pass through them, but that's just my thoughts. The other alternative is that you could pass through them, but I'll probably stick with them being solid. Another thought on the portals is that he can't move them while they still exist, he has to remove them and then bring them back. He can do this almost instantly, but it does make flying a bit more difficult. Edited February 3, 2016 by Bridge Boy
Edgedancer he/him Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 10 Meters is plenty enough, and that backstory works fine. For some reason, I hadn't even considered the tournament aspect. My thoughts were that they were kinda solid, so that things can't pass through them, but that's just my thoughts. The other alternative is that you could pass through them, but I'll probably stick with them being solid. Then let's look at it in combination of him not bing able to affect objects larger than the portal. For example let's say we have a big cube that's larger than a portal he can make but we can fit a corner of the cube into the portal. Now we push the cube until it gets larger that the portal. What happens? Does it get stuck or does the portal not work on it in general, because the object still younts as "too large" from the get go? Also, can he close a portal while something is moving through it?
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