Stormgate he/him Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 (edited) Ruin found it easier to spike those who were already mentally unstable. Zane lived in the Pits of Hathsin. That would make anyone unstable. Interestingly, Nightblood also has an easier time manipulating the mentally unstable. Edited December 22, 2015 by Stormgate 1
iBambam Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 Zane spiked himself because he heard voices in his head. Thank you, where in the first trilogy is that? I'm currently rereading it but I haven't come across that yet. And that is an interesting point about nightblood. I wonder if they're linked somehow? Since nightblood does "ruin" investiture in a way.
DreamEternal Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 Zane lived in the Pits of Hathsin. That would make anyone unstable. Did he? From what I remember, he commited auto-flagellation and sometimes used his scars to make people think he had been imprisioned at the Pits.
Stormgate he/him Posted December 22, 2015 Posted December 22, 2015 I thought he did... Maybe I misread.
Viridian she/her Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 Vin assumed he did when she saw the scars on his arms. He didn't correct her. But his scars were from self-harm; Zane was never in the Pits.
iBambam Posted December 23, 2015 Posted December 23, 2015 I didn't think he was at the Pits but I couldn't remember. I wouldn't have put it past Straff though, it's something he would do.
Ari he/him Posted December 27, 2015 Posted December 27, 2015 The question has been asked and RAFO'd many times. One example: We do know Hemalurgy can be used by anyone anywhere in the Cosmere. I actually speculated at one point that the Surgebinding fabrials of Roshar are a use of Hemalurgy, with the general idea being that "Hemalurgy" is the use of a focus material to capture Investiture which you can then interface with your Spiritweb. (Though that theory kind of went everywhere.) With all that said, I'd say it makes quite a lot of sense if Hemalurgy was indeed limited to metals. Atium, for example, can steal anything, so this means that we don't need actually need gemstone spikes to steal from other systems. Why bother making the system more complex than it needs to be? Added to the point that we're very sure Hemalurgy is Ruin's system, and systems arise as a consequence of interactions with the planets, and the "focus" of magic seems based on the planet... I guess, if I had to put numbers to it, I'm 80/20 in favor of Hemalurgy being metals-only. Hemalurgy itself can be metals-only while still having interesting implications for material focii in general. You could certainly argue that gems allowing the bonding of deadspren is a similarly innovative use of focus to Hemalurgy.
Shadeshadow227 Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 No. He heard Ruin's voice after he was spiked. You've got it backwards.
Oversleep Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 5 hours ago, Shadeshadow227 said: No. He heard Ruin's voice after he was spiked. You've got it backwards. Mentally unstable people can hear Ruin even without being spiked. That's how Vin got her spike and that's exactly how Zane spiked himself.
Shadeshadow227 Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Oversleep said: Mentally unstable people can hear Ruin even without being spiked. That's how Vin got her spike and that's exactly how Zane spiked himself. Oh. I guess I missed that when reading the original trilogy.
kenod Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 11 hours ago, Shadeshadow227 said: Oh. I guess I missed that when reading the original trilogy. I'm not sure if it was in the original trilogy. It is at least in SH however.
goody153 Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 Yeah ruin can whisper to those who are crazy. Well Vin is not crazy enough but she wears her earrings all the time anyways. 1
Yata he/him Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, kenod said: I'm not sure if it was in the original trilogy. It is at least in SH however. Ruin managed to influence Vin's mother to create a Spike from Vin's Sister and give to Vin.... If I don't remember wrong Vin (after her ascension) or Harmony talked about the Ruin's influence on the madmen Edited July 16, 2016 by Yata 1
goody153 Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Yata said: Ruin mangate to influence Vin's mother to create a Spike from Vin's Sister and give to Vin.... If I don't remember wrong Vin (after her ascension) or Harmony talked about the Ruin's influence on the madmen It's possibly the pre-chapter texts that may have mentioned it, i could remember knowing it back when reading the mistborn trilogy and i wasn't still digging about mistborn at those times so i could've not known it through WoB/etc. Could be wrong and it was mentioned during Harmony's era or SH. Edited July 16, 2016 by goody153 1
Emerald101 he/him Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 1 hour ago, goody153 said: It's possibly the pre-chapter texts that may have mentioned it, i could remember knowing it back when reading the mistborn trilogy and i wasn't still digging about mistborn at those times so i could've not known it through WoB/etc. Could be wrong and it was mentioned during Harmony's era or SH. Just FYI, the things you're talking about here are called the Epigraphs.
kenod Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 2 hours ago, goody153 said: It's possibly the pre-chapter texts that may have mentioned it, i could remember knowing it back when reading the mistborn trilogy and i wasn't still digging about mistborn at those times so i could've not known it through WoB/etc. Could be wrong and it was mentioned during Harmony's era or SH. Alright, thanks.
DrakeMarshall he/him Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 Hm... I suppose it is worth asking... To what extend does a magic user's powers change when they travel to a different planet?
goody153 Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 7 hours ago, Emerald101 said: Just FYI, the things you're talking about here are called the Epigraphs. Ah so that's what they are called haha 1 hour ago, Drake Marshall said: Hm... I suppose it is worth asking... To what extend does a magic user's powers change when they travel to a different planet? Apart from Elantris i think you could use any cosmere related power as long as you know how to hook it up in that planets investure. Allomancy/Feruchemy might be more difficult still requiring you certain metals but i know that warbreaker's Vasher(Zahel) managed to use stormlight as a substitute instead of breath. Also the topic at hand hemalurgy is universal afaik http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1157 http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=947 http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1076
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