Pet Peeves

[Orlion Blight he/him]

1 hour ago, Calderis said:

Pet peeve of the day. Meme form, because it helps lessen the irrational anger. 

Funny thing: while my father was ranting about stuff and saying how it did not conform to "facts", I wanted to say, "You don't know what facts are, do you?"

Mind-blowing thing: in some philosophical frameworks, facts do not have a truth value (or, facts are neither true or false).

[Oversleep]

22 hours ago, Orlion On a Cob said:

I'm feeling controversial today, so I will say "world building."

And what is wrong with worldbuilding?

[Orlion Blight he/him]

12 hours ago, Oversleep said:

And what is wrong with worldbuilding?

Since you asked, I will clarify: 

1) When talking about what makes for good writing, there is a tendency to emphasize one aspect over other equally important aspects. It's like saying strong bones are the central characteristic of good health! 

2) It often masks mediocre plotting and/ or writing. The easiest example of this are the Harry Potter books. A lot is forgiven because people like the idea of escaping to a world where wizarding boarding schools exist. Another is the movie Avatar. The story is incredibly mediocre, the characterizations bare bone. But people loved to immerse themselves in the world itself. 

3) It's kinda used often as an excuse for lazy writing. What I mean by this is that the unfolding and building up of the world becomes the plot. 

4) I'm beginning to suspect it serves things outside of the work like fanfiction, roleplaying, games, etc. And does little for the actual work itself. 

[Exalted]

1 hour ago, Orlion On a Cob said:

Since you asked, I will clarify: 

1) When talking about what makes for good writing, there is a tendency to emphasize one aspect over other equally important aspects. It's like saying strong bones are the central characteristic of good health! 

2) It often masks mediocre plotting and/ or writing. The easiest example of this are the Harry Potter books. A lot is forgiven because people like the idea of escaping to a world where wizarding boarding schools exist. Another is the movie Avatar. The story is incredibly mediocre, the characterizations bare bone. But people loved to immerse themselves in the world itself. 

3) It's kinda used often as an excuse for lazy writing. What I mean by this is that the unfolding and building up of the world becomes the plot. 

4) I'm beginning to suspect it serves things outside of the work like fanfiction, roleplaying, games, etc. And does little for the actual work itself. 

And here I thought you were talking about "world building" versus "worldbuilding".

[Orlion Blight he/him]

4 hours ago, Exalted Dungeon Master said:

And here I thought you were talking about "world building" versus "worldbuilding".

Pffft, that doesn't seem very controversial at all! 

[Oversleep]

@Orlion On a Cob you seem to dislike when the good worldbuilding is not matched by the rest of the components of a book.

Worldbuilding in and of itself is not something one can like or dislike, much like one can't dislike plot for being there or character's development. You can't dislike those things for being there.

You can dislike bad worldbuilding or bad plot, yes, but in and of itself? That doesn't make sense.

[Steeldancer he/him]

Being sick. 

[Jondesu he/him]

5 hours ago, Oversleep said:

@Orlion On a Cob you seem to dislike when the good worldbuilding is not matched by the rest of the components of a book.

Worldbuilding in and of itself is not something one can like or dislike, much like one can't dislike plot for being there or character's development. You can't dislike those things for being there.

You can dislike bad worldbuilding or bad plot, yes, but in and of itself? That doesn't make sense.

My impression was that Orlion dislikes when worldbuilding is oversold and overemphasized.  Sometimes it's about all that's talked about in relation to some books.  If not, then yeah, it seems like a weird thing to dislike, but with that clarification, it makes sense to me.  Orlion can confirm or deny of course.

[Draginon he/him]

It kind of annoys me when my mom is trying to go healthy but when she gets a burger or sandwich she always has the healthy stuff taken off!

[Orlion Blight he/him]

On 8/6/2017 at 7:14 PM, Jondesu said:

My impression was that Orlion dislikes when worldbuilding is oversold and overemphasized.  Sometimes it's about all that's talked about in relation to some books.  If not, then yeah, it seems like a weird thing to dislike, but with that clarification, it makes sense to me.  Orlion can confirm or deny of course.

It's a good portion of it 

[Sunbird she/her]

Invisible speed bumps.

Allow me to explain...

Earlier tonight I picked up a bucket of chicken from KFC to bring to a potluck and then ended up driving through an unfamiliar neighborhood on the way to the potluck. This neighborhood was scattered with large speedbumps that I failed to see in time to slow down for, every single time, because they weren't painted yellow or marked in any way to distinguish them from the rest of the road. (It was dark and rainy too, which didn't help either.) So I'd hit them going 25 mph and get a HUGE jolt as my smol car went over a bump almost as wide as the length of the car itself. The KFC bucket ended up tipping over and dumping a few pieces of chicken onto the floor, which got me seriously miffed.

[Draginon he/him]

8 hours ago, Sunbird said:

Invisible speed bumps.

Allow me to explain...

Earlier tonight I picked up a bucket of chicken from KFC to bring to a potluck and then ended up driving through an unfamiliar neighborhood on the way to the potluck. This neighborhood was scattered with large speedbumps that I failed to see in time to slow down for, every single time, because they weren't painted yellow or marked in any way to distinguish them from the rest of the road. (It was dark and rainy too, which didn't help either.) So I'd hit them going 25 mph and get a HUGE jolt as my smol car went over a bump almost as wide as the length of the car itself. The KFC bucket ended up tipping over and dumping a few pieces of chicken onto the floor, which got me seriously miffed.

I've got something similar, invisible pot holes.

There are some you can't see until you're right up to them or are in just the right spot for you not to slow down at all. My mom always berates me when I hit these ones by going "didn't you see it?" me:  If I saw it why would I hit it? There's also one that no matter how much it gets patched always comes back and it's right on an intersection right after the crosswalk on the right hand side. In order to avoid it you have to go into the opposing lane but when there are cars there you have no choice but to hit it.

[Kaymyth she/her]

4 hours ago, Draginon said:

I've got something similar, invisible pot holes.

There are some you can't see until you're right up to them or are in just the right spot for you not to slow down at all. My mom always berates me when I hit these ones by going "didn't you see it?" me:  If I saw it why would I hit it? There's also one that no matter how much it gets patched always comes back and it's right on an intersection right after the crosswalk on the right hand side. In order to avoid it you have to go into the opposing lane but when there are cars there you have no choice but to hit it.

I was so focused on Orlion's worldbuilding complaints that I first read this as invisible plot holes.

Please feel free to enjoy picturing the mental gymnastics my brain went through to force this entire post to make sense.

[Erandeni he/him]

2 minutes ago, Kaymyth said:

I was so focused on Orlion's worldbuilding complaints that I first read this as invisible plot holes.

I did the same, I had to read the post a few times because it didn't had any sense to me.

[Orlion Blight he/him]

Invisible plot holes: where something is not right with plot progression but you can't quite pinpoint what, exactly, is wrong. 

[Draginon he/him]

@Kaymyth @Idealistic @Orlion On a Cob You guys! XD

Orlion that would be funny to see happen!

Looked up invisible plot holes just for kicks and giggles and the majority of the page on Google was Harry Potter plot holes!

Edited August 12, 2017 by little wilson
No swearing please

[Calderis he/him]

Anyone, in any venue, who takes what others have said previously, and rewords it while adding nothing and presents the idea as their own. 

Been dealing with someone doing this crap all week at work. It makes me irrationally angry. 

[Draginon he/him]

2 hours ago, Calderis said:

Anyone, in any venue, who takes what others have said previously, and rewords it while adding nothing and presents the idea as their own. 

Been dealing with someone doing this crap all week at work. It makes me irrationally angry. 

Kind of get that at my work as well, but it's more something my mom experiences since she'll present an idea, everyone all "I don't think so", a day or two later someone else suggests the exact same thing and suddenly everyone wants to do it!

[+Slowswift]

Managers with unreasonable expectations of competence/understaffing.

There were maybe three openers (8-3:30). None of the mid-shift (10-5:30) guys showed up. And there were only the two of us closing (2-9:30ish). That's an only an hour and a half where we had more than two or three people working in our area.

How the hell do you expect the two new guys and only the two new guys to be able to keep the entire area clean and organized, especially when they're constantly bombarded by customers, pickups, and other managerial assignments? Seriously. (And of course the moment she walks in is the one moment when we're not actively doing the job thing, so we got yelled at for slacking too.)

Some guys from the dock did lend some help with cleanup after we were closed, though. That was much appreciated.

Edited August 12, 2017 by Slowswift

[Draginon he/him]

11 minutes ago, Slowswift said:

Managers with unreasonable expectations of competence/understaffing.

There were maybe three openers (8-3:30). None of the mid-shift (10-5:30) guys showed up. And there were only the two of us closing (2-9:30ish). That's an only an hour and a half where we had more than two or three people working in our area.

How the hell do you expect the two new guys and only the two new guys to be able to keep the entire area clean and organized, especially when they're constantly bombarded by customers, pickups, and other managerial assignments? Seriously. (And of course the moment she walks in is the one moment when we're not actively doing the job thing, so we got yelled at for slacking too.)

Some guys from the dock did lend some help with cleanup after we were closed, though. That was much appreciated.

Where do you work!? At least the dock guys helped towards the end.

I work for a school in the textbook department and it's only me and my mom doing everything there. We can't get anyone to help us and no one volunteers to help at all, and yet they have time to sit around on their phones!? The people at admin buy stuff last minute instead of ordering it before school ends so we have to rush trying to get all the stuff inventoried while trying to get the beginning of year inventory started along with any stupid stuff everyone else thinks needs to be done by us (like moving furniture! That's maintenance, not us, that should be doing that!!!) The total time to try getting all this done? About a month and a half! Sounds like enough time but when you've got four campuses, having to work around the maintenance guys schedules, having to do other miscellaneous stuff that involves us (like the technology since we work close with them to keep track of everything), admin practically forcing campuses to shut down for the day by 3 and them wanting everything done now! we have to work weekends just to do everything before school starts, which at this point is just over two weeks! Every year they somehow find a way to make our job harder to finish to the point of wanting to quit. I'm thinking this year will have to be my last since I can't take it anymore!!!!!!

[+Slowswift]

12 hours ago, Draginon said:

Where do you work!? At least the dock guys helped towards the end.

Deseret Industries, place of amazingly cheap prices and bad scheduling. 

I actually used to work on the dock, and we'd always grumble at having to go help other areas after we'd finished -- we had our own job to do, after all, not our fault they've got such crappy time management, and when was the last time they helped us out? But now that I work on the sales floor, I see just how necessary it is and how stupid that attitude is. 

12 hours ago, Draginon said:

I work for a school in the textbook department and it's only me and my mom doing everything there. We can't get anyone to help us and no one volunteers to help at all, and yet they have time to sit around on their phones!? The people at admin buy stuff last minute instead of ordering it before school ends so we have to rush trying to get all the stuff inventoried while trying to get the beginning of year inventory started along with any stupid stuff everyone else thinks needs to be done by us (like moving furniture! That's maintenance, not us, that should be doing that!!!) The total time to try getting all this done? About a month and a half! Sounds like enough time but when you've got four campuses, having to work around the maintenance guys schedules, having to do other miscellaneous stuff that involves us (like the technology since we work close with them to keep track of everything), admin practically forcing campuses to shut down for the day by 3 and them wanting everything done now! we have to work weekends just to do everything before school starts, which at this point is just over two weeks! Every year they somehow find a way to make our job harder to finish to the point of wanting to quit. I'm thinking this year will have to be my last since I can't take it anymore!!!!!!

That does sound horrifically stressful.  

Edited August 12, 2017 by Slowswift

[Draginon he/him]

5 hours ago, Slowswift said:

Deseret Industries, place of amazingly cheap prices and bad scheduling. 

I actually used to work on the dock, and we'd always grumble at having to go help other areas after we'd finished -- we had our own job to do, after all, not our fault they've got such crappy time management, and when was the last time they helped us out? But now that I work on the sales floor, I see just how necessary it is and how stupid that attitude is. 

That does sound horrifically stressful.  

I've dealt with delivery guys who were angry at the fact we don't have a dock, our warehouse is in a strip mall type building, and they try to avoid having to drop pallets inside like they're supposed to do.

And we can't even complain because everyone in admin is in denial that there could ever be anything wrong in their 'perfect' school. If someone does complain then they don't last long.

[Draginon he/him]

Here's a pet peeve that's work related: women who refuse to pull their weight. The women the school hires always act like anything more than 5 pounds is way too heavy for them to lift, despite the fact that their bags feel like they're hauling a couple cinder blocks around, meaning we're always trying to find a man. This will be a problem at one campus because there's only one man now and if he's out then I'm the only one taking stuff in and some deliveries are well over 20 pounds and I'm having to go up stairs to drop it off. There is an elevator but they refuse to let it be used for anything except handicap use.

Another peeve, life related, is when less common victims get ridiculed, like male rape victims and white victims of racism/discrimination, instead of support.

[ParadoxicalZen he/him]

Self-righteouness

[Silverblade5 he/him]

Teachers who spend more time talking about political opinions than actual class content.