Pet Peeves

[A Budgie she/her]

6 hours ago, TwiLyghtSansSparkles said:

"I need help. Instead of approaching the librarian from an angle that will let her see me, I'm going to stand at the other end of the desk where she obviously isn't looking, and wait until I get so annoyed that I loudly smack my lips in dissatisfaction, which will FINALLY cause her to look at me! For bonus points, my problem will be one that I could have solved in less than a minute if I had simply looked at the holds shelf when I walked in!"

Ugh, that sounds so annoying...from what I've heard though, I think basically every job involving customer service has to go through that...

[Kobold King he/him]

I'm increasingly annoyed the TV Tropes - inspired use of the phrase "Mind Rape" to describe any sort of mind control / hypnotism / persuasion magic in fiction.

Does anyone really think Obi Wan Kenobi waving a hand over a guy's face and telling him these aren't the droids he's looking for is equivalent to sexual assault? No? Then you really shouldn't be trivializing the word by making such a comparison.

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

2 hours ago, Kobold King said:

I'm increasingly annoyed the TV Tropes - inspired use of the phrase "Mind Rape" to describe any sort of mind control / hypnotism / persuasion magic in fiction.

Does anyone really think Obi Wan Kenobi waving a hand over a guy's face and telling him these aren't the droids he's looking for is equivalent to sexual assault? No? Then you really shouldn't be trivializing the word by making such a comparison.

Yeah it just storms with my mind 

[+Extesian he/him]

When this site goes offline for half an hour and I feel three years come off my life.

(No, you guys do a Nobel-winning job, no complaints from this guy! I mean, it's true, but it's a price I'm happy to pay :))

[Oversleep]

10 hours ago, Silverblade5 said:

What class is this in?

Machine learning.

4 hours ago, Kobold King said:

I'm increasingly annoyed the TV Tropes - inspired use of the phrase "Mind Rape" to describe any sort of mind control / hypnotism / persuasion magic in fiction.

Does anyone really think Obi Wan Kenobi waving a hand over a guy's face and telling him these aren't the droids he's looking for is equivalent to sexual assault? No? Then you really shouldn't be trivializing the word by making such a comparison.

The Mind Rape page does not have entry for Star Wars. Star Wars does not have an entry for Mind Rape.

I'm usually seeing the Mind Rape trope when there are some really unpleasant things done to minds - when it really is equivalent of sexual assault. Like Marsh or Eshonai.

Edited April 11, 2017 by Oversleep

[A Budgie she/her]

1 hour ago, Oversleep said:

 

I'm usually seeing the Mind Rape trope when there are some really unpleasant things done to minds - when it really is equivalent of sexual assault. Like Marsh or Eshonai.

I was just about to say that! I can think of cases in books where really bad things have been done to people's minds, invasion of privacy, etc. I think those definitely deserve the title: the problem is that there's no better term for more 'minor' cases I think.

[Oversleep]

1 hour ago, A Budgie said:

I was just about to say that! I can think of cases in books where really bad things have been done to people's minds, invasion of privacy, etc. I think those definitely deserve the title: the problem is that there's no better term for more 'minor' cases I think.

Well, there's the other trope: Jedi Mind Trick.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

1 hour ago, A Budgie said:

I was just about to say that! I can think of cases in books where really bad things have been done to people's minds, invasion of privacy, etc. I think those definitely deserve the title: the problem is that there's no better term for more 'minor' cases I think.

Mind harassment?

[A Budgie she/her]

29 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

Well, there's the other trope: Jedi Mind Trick.

Oh, okay then.

[Kobold King he/him]

5 hours ago, Oversleep said:

Machine learning.

The Mind Rape page does not have entry for Star Wars. Star Wars does not have an entry for Mind Rape.

I'm usually seeing the Mind Rape trope when there are some really unpleasant things done to minds - when it really is equivalent of sexual assault. Like Marsh or Eshonai.

 

TV Tropes itself doesn't do it--should have clarified.

The phrase has seen use on a variety of different forums and comment sections as a generic term for mind affecting magic, including uses as minor as mind tricks or emotional Allomancy. And I have seen people outright say that any magic that affects the mind is automatically equal to rape, which to me shows a pretty big lack of knowledge of what kind of trauma is associated with it.

[Oversleep]

5 minutes ago, Kobold King said:

TV Tropes itself doesn't do it--should have clarified.

The phrase has seen use on a variety of different forums and comment sections as a generic term for mind affecting magic, including uses as minor as mind tricks or emotional Allomancy. And I have seen people outright say that any magic that affects the mind is automatically equal to rape, which to me shows a pretty big lack of knowledge of what kind of trauma is associated with it.

Ah, now I understand.

Well, invading someone's mind is definitely a big no-no. Hm... I think we need another category between Jedi Mind Trick and Mind Rape. Like... duraluminum Soothing is not Mind Rape but it's no Jedi Trick either.

[Orlion Blight he/him]

TV Tropes in general is a pet peeve of mine. From its early days of, "let's use a system where all the tropes are named after Gargoyle plot points or characters" to its modern "let's call everything that occurs in a narrative a trope, thus rendering the idea of tropes meaningless! "

[Kobold King he/him]

17 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

Ah, now I understand.

Well, invading someone's mind is definitely a big no-no. Hm... I think we need another category between Jedi Mind Trick and Mind Rape. Like... duraluminum Soothing is not Mind Rape but it's no Jedi Trick either.

 

I kind of like @TwiLyghtSansSparkles' suggestion of "Mind Harassment." It's like the telepathic equivalent of wolf whistling at the office secretary.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

14 minutes ago, Orlion On a Cob said:

TV Tropes in general is a pet peeve of mine. From its early days of, "let's use a system where all the tropes are named after Gargoyle plot points or characters" to its modern "let's call everything that occurs in a narrative a trope, thus rendering the idea of tropes meaningless! "

For me, it's the way they present themselves as a laid-back fiction-based cousin to Wikipedia….and yet their most prominent members are merciless and downright hostile to anyone who violates the rules that, so far as I can tell, exist only in said members' heads. 

[Kobold King he/him]

6 minutes ago, TwiLyghtSansSparkles said:

For me, it's the way they present themselves as a laid-back fiction-based cousin to Wikipedia….and yet their most prominent members are merciless and downright hostile to anyone who violates the rules that, so far as I can tell, exist only in said members' heads. 

 

So, like Wikipedia.

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Just now, Kobold King said:

So, like Wikipedia.

I actually suspect some members *coughAnddrixcough* were forced to leave Wikipedia for not adhering to those rules, and so they came to TV Tropes to dish out what they were forced to take. 

[Kobold King he/him]

Just now, TwiLyghtSansSparkles said:

I actually suspect some members *coughAnddrixcough* were forced to leave Wikipedia for not adhering to those rules, and so they came to TV Tropes to dish out what they were forced to take. 

 

I once served as the admin of a Doctor Who fanfiction wiki, and the other admin was one of the strictest, most merciless of his kind I've ever seen. It ultimately turned out he wanted desperately to be recognized by a much bigger, more academic DW wiki--tardis.wikia.com, for the curious--and all his relentless deleting of people's articles and shutting down dissenting opinions was to make it look like our wiki was cleaner and more united than it really was.

Also I caught occasional snippets of chats in which he revealed he was a teenager who was having a really terrible high school experience and possibly a horrible home life as well, so I suspect he was exercising ultimate tyrannical power in the one place he had any at all.  I suppose you could call it a formative experience for me, in learning to try to understand even the most asinine of people.

[Oversleep]

2 hours ago, Kobold King said:

Also I caught occasional snippets of chats in which he revealed he was a teenager who was having a really terrible high school experience and possibly a horrible home life as well, so I suspect he was exercising ultimate tyrannical power in the one place he had any at all.  I suppose you could call it a formative experience for me, in learning to try to understand even the most asinine of people.

Am I the only one who read it like villain backstory?

Anyway, I swore to myself I'll never edit TVTropes. I use the wiki, I don't have time to contribute to it. I've got worlds to build.

(To be honest, I only engage in editing the Polish wikipedia article on Brandon. I've got to hammer in that the Scadrial series is called Mistborn, not Final Empire. But that's like the only thing I ever do.)

Edited April 11, 2017 by Oversleep

[Delightful]

4 hours ago, Oversleep said:

Ah, now I understand.

Well, invading someone's mind is definitely a big no-no. Hm... I think we need another category between Jedi Mind Trick and Mind Rape. Like... duraluminum Soothing is not Mind Rape but it's no Jedi Trick either.

There's also a difference between

1) influencing thoughts but not reading them

2) reading "Im hungry whats for lunch' thoughts

and 3) Total invasion of history and fears and secrets.

I think I'd more or less equate 2) with  office harassment and 3) with rape. 

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

10 minutes ago, Delightful said:

There's also a difference between

1) influencing thoughts but not reading them

2) reading "Im hungry whats for lunch' thoughts

and 3) Total invasion of history and fears and secrets.

I think I'd more or less equate 2) with  office harassment and 3) with rape. 

Number 1) can also be done on a relatively low level by anyone, psychic or not, if you want to expand the definition of "influencing thought" a bit. 

[Edgedancer he/him]

8 minutes ago, TwiLyghtSansSparkles said:

Number 1) can also be done on a relatively low level by anyone, psychic or not, if you want to expand the definition of "influencing thought" a bit. 

Eh sure, and the fact there's no tell mean that could be pretty easily compared to spiking someone's drink or otherwise drugging them.

[Kobold King he/him]

1 hour ago, Delightful said:

There's also a difference between

1) influencing thoughts but not reading them

2) reading "Im hungry whats for lunch' thoughts

and 3) Total invasion of history and fears and secrets.

I think I'd more or less equate 2) with  office harassment and 3) with rape. 

 

Where does hijacking someone's body fall? Like say I have the power to telepathically control people's bodies from a distance. Can I use it to thwart bank robberies and stop terrorists and whatnot, or is it strictly off-limits no matter what?

[Delightful]

11 minutes ago, Kobold King said:

 

Where does hijacking someone's body fall? Like say I have the power to telepathically control people's bodies from a distance. Can I use it to thwart bank robberies and stop terrorists and whatnot, or is it strictly off-limits no matter what?

GoT spoilers

I was actually fairly uncomfortable with Bran using Hodor regularly. Sure it was to save their lives etc etc but they never asked Hodor if he minded, what he thought......nope just let's put you in danger to save us because you're big.

.

I'd say with anything it's a matter of consent. I don't think controlling someone's body is any less horrific than controlling their mind. They're both intensely personal and would engender an intense feeling of betrayal of self, I imagine. 

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

Okay, remember a while back when I wrote this post? 

Check out Stick's Coppermind article.

Part of me says that this shouldn't bother me as much as it does. It's not like someone stole my magnum opus; they just took a silly post I wrote one day and used it in the Coppermind. But still, this is something I wrote, and whoever slipped that into the Coppermind didn't even credit me. Didn't even ask if they could use it, to which I would have said yes. And the worst part is, this isn't the first time it's happened. Someone took that post and copied it word-for-word into a new topic, again without crediting me. And I called them on it! 

Aaarrrrgh seeing something you wrote used in a wider context shouldn't be frustrating…..

[Kobold King he/him]

3 minutes ago, TwiLyghtSansSparkles said:

Okay, remember a while back when I wrote this post? 

Check out Stick's Coppermind article.

Part of me says that this shouldn't bother me as much as it does. It's not like someone stole my magnum opus; they just took a silly post I wrote one day and used it in the Coppermind. But still, this is something I wrote, and whoever slipped that into the Coppermind didn't even credit me. Didn't even ask if they could use it, to which I would have said yes. And the worst part is, this isn't the first time it's happened. Someone took that post and copied it word-for-word into a new topic, again without crediting me. And I called them on it! 

Aaarrrrgh seeing something you wrote used in a wider context shouldn't be frustrating…..

 

You could always passive aggressively log in and add yourself as a reference.