Titan Arum Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 So now we have a direct WoB that says Vasher came to Roshar, saw shard blades and went back to Nalthis and made night blood. How do you make that interpretation from the quote Yata provided? There is nothing there to support such a claim.
Yata he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 How do you make that interpretation from the quote Yata provided? There is nothing there to support such a claim. There is another WoB in the same set that say that. Questioner: I have a question about Nightblood. I think I heard that-- Something you said in a Q&A that it is related to a Shardblade, or was a Shardblade? Brandon: Yeah… So Nightblood. Vasher visited Roshar, saw Shardblades, came back and tried to make one. With what he knew of his magic. That’s the short version of it. Kind of simplifies things, but yes
Titan Arum Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Ahh, ok. Thank you for providing the actual quote Yata. I didn't realize that that quote existed. However, we already knew that Nightblood was based on Shardblades from other WoB, which assumed he had seen them before some how.
Yata he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Ahh, ok. Thank you for providing the actual quote Yata. I didn't realize that that quote existed. However, we already knew that Nightblood was based on Shardblades from other WoB, which assumed he had seen them before some how. But we don't know how this "saw the Shardblades" happened. Now we know that Vasher went to Roshar and saw them (or the Honorblades) and returned on Nalthis with the idea of a new project. Before we may think also the opposite, like that a Radiant/shardbearer/herald went on Nalthis.
The Sovereign Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Another Nightblood WoB that has some interesting implications: Questioner: Hypothetically could Nightblood Splinter a Shard? Brandon: Uh, Splintering a Shard takes more power than Nightblood has. It is certainly possible that it is harder to splinter a shard than to consume it outright, but this is an interesting ceiling on Nightblood's power.
Yata he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Another Nightblood WoB that has some interesting implications: It is certainly possible that it is harder to splinter a shard than to consume it outright, but this is an interesting ceiling on Nightblood's power. There was another about. Toss Nightblood in a Shardpool but it recived a RAFO.
Stormgate he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) Is there any way to destroy Nightblood? I don't know if it can be Soulcast, and anything else doesn't seem likely to work. Maybe stab it into aluminum? (I like aluminum) The reason I say this because unless Nightblood is destroyed, the Cosmere will eventually come to an end. Edited December 14, 2015 by Stormgate
Moogle Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 The Cosmere obeys thermodynamics, so from what I understand it was always going to end because of entropy. Nightblood just adds to it. 1
Stormgate he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 From what I understand of Cosmere Thermodynamics, Investiture used that cannot be recovered (such as Aons, Stormlight, metal burning, Breaths, etc.) goes back to the Shard it originated from. What Nightblood basically does is remove that Investiture from the Cosmere entirely, making Nightblood more end-negative than anything else in the Cosmere.
Moogle Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 From what I understand of Cosmere Thermodynamics, Investiture used that cannot be recovered (such as Aons, Stormlight, metal burning, Breaths, etc.) goes back to the Shard it originated from. What Nightblood basically does is remove that Investiture from the Cosmere entirely, making Nightblood more end-negative than anything else in the Cosmere. But you have things like Stormlight which "acts like a lightbulb to the Spiritual Realm", drawing power through it which in turn creates the light. There's a finite amount of Investiture/energy, so this would imply that one day the Spiritual Realm will run out - the created light should stick around as thermal energy. Brandon has repeatedly said in various WoBs that the Cosmere does in fact obey the laws of Thermodynamics, and he has also said that energy/Investiture are interchangeable - the clear implication is that entropy is increasing somehow, even when you use Allomancy and the Investiture returns to Preservation. 1
Curiosity he/him Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 I believe that the implication is that the Investiture is being transformed into matter and/or energy. Nightblood consumes Investiture, but that's probably like saying that nuclear fission reduces the amount of matter in the universe. The matter isn't running out, it's transforming into energy. Granted, I think Investiture's cooler than matter or energy, so I'm not that happy with Nightblood. Not that I'm a fan of Nightblood in the first place.
Stormgate he/him Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 The problem is that the energy can eventually, potentially, turn back into matter. Investiture that has been Nightblood-ed cannot turn back into investiture.
Dunkum he/him Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 The problem is that the energy can eventually, potentially, turn back into matter. Investiture that has been Nightblood-ed cannot turn back into investiture.that we know of...
Stormgate he/him Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 that we know of... What if, ironically, it turns investiture into Odium's Investiture?
Yata he/him Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) I quote myself for another topic: I thought the same things about Nightblood, he drains Investiture then he releases it with an overwrite Intent and any Shard may claim that Investiture anymore. The Investiture with this method are "wasted" but it's not destroyed. Because there is a WoB about that the "Investiture can't be created or destroyed". Edited December 16, 2015 by Yata
Oversleep Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 I had this theory that there is a mechanism which changes heat to Investiture. Maybe Nightblood sends absorbed Investiture to pararell cosmere?
Yata he/him Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 I had this theory that there is a mechanism which changes heat to Investiture. Maybe Nightblood sends absorbed Investiture to pararell cosmere? The Oddly thing is that Nightblood releases the Investiture as Black Smoke that Brandon says is the corrupted breath that Nightblood are sucked before.
Stormgate he/him Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 (edited) What can be done with that Investiture? Could Knights Radiant inhale it? Is it what is contained in the dark gemstone? Is this what caused the Knights Radiant to fall? That escalated quickly. Edited December 16, 2015 by Stormgate
Curiosity he/him Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 [–]uchoo786 2 points 1 day ago So just for clarification, once Nightblood consumes investiture, that investiture gets recycled? That's what I've always assumed. That it enters the cognitive/spiritual realm? permalink parent [–]mistborn 3 points 1 day ago The investiture he consumes is not gone forever--it's not leaving the system, so to speak. Source
Christin White she/her Posted February 4, 2016 Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) So Brandon's did a Sanderson chat Q&A on Twitter earlier and since this thread has captured my imagination a bit I asked him the following: @BrandSanderson Could a sentient invested object take up a shard? #SandersonChat He replied: @chrisWhite Highly unlikely, probably impossible--but impossibility is hard to judge. #SandersonChat I know that thread has mostly focused on Nightblood consuming Odium but if that is where Brandon is going with things I doubt he'd answer a more direct question, hopefully this is still is helpful insight. Edited February 4, 2016 by chrisWhite
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