Original Teemo Posted February 27, 2017 Posted February 27, 2017 Has there ever been one or more entities in the Cosmere that held substantially large amounts of Investiture that is neither Adonalsium itself nor traces its Investiture to Adonalsium? More colloquially, are there powerful sources of Investiture that ultimately owe their power to sources unrelated to Adonalsium?
+Extesian he/him Posted February 28, 2017 Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Original Teemo said: Has there ever been one or more entities in the Cosmere that held substantially large amounts of Investiture that is neither Adonalsium itself nor traces its Investiture to Adonalsium? More colloquially, are there powerful sources of Investiture that ultimately owe their power to sources unrelated to Adonalsium? This is a recent WoB that came from discussions about a theoretical anti-Adonalsium force. Quote QUESTION If the force opposing Adonalsium is an entity like him/it (?), have we seen any magic that is related to this entity? BRANDON SANDERSON No. All the magic you see come from the shards of Adonalsium. So I don't think so at this stage. The force he's referred to in the past is more along the lines of groups of people. Edited February 28, 2017 by Extesian 1
Original Teemo Posted February 28, 2017 Posted February 28, 2017 Thanks, that's really helpful. So anything that would answer my question would likely be RAFOed I guess. Incidentally, I wasn't asking in regards to the force opposing Adonalsium which I agree seems to be a group of people. I'm more trying to get an idea of whether Adonalsium is as fundamental and unique as is implied.
+Extesian he/him Posted February 28, 2017 Posted February 28, 2017 6 minutes ago, Original Teemo said: Thanks, that's really helpful. So anything that would answer my question would likely be RAFOed I guess. Incidentally, I wasn't asking in regards to the force opposing Adonalsium which I agree seems to be a group of people. I'm more trying to get an idea of whether Adonalsium is as fundamental and unique as is implied. For sure, I think that issue's been settled and I know the question was more general. But the good thing about the whole anti- Adonalsium idea is that it did draw out that WoB, which I like. I prefer everything magical being originally of Adonalsium, I think further sources would complicate things unnecessarily
Nashan’Elin he/him Posted February 28, 2017 Posted February 28, 2017 Do identical twins share Spiritual DNA? For instance, would a set of identical twins on Scadrial have the same Allomantic or Feruchemical powers? 2
+Extesian he/him Posted February 28, 2017 Posted February 28, 2017 20 minutes ago, Nashan'Elin said: Do identical twins share Spiritual DNA? For instance, would a set of identical twins on Scadrial have the same Allomantic or Feruchemical powers? I like this question. I haven't seen a definitive answer but Quote QUESTION Is spiritual DNA inherited the same as regular DNA? BRANDON SANDERSON Inherited similarly, but not 100% identically, to regular DNA. As identical twins start with identical normal DNA I'm inclined to think yes, but that WoB casts a bit of doubt on it. But if course spiritual DNA can be overwritten and changed so the question would be what things have intervened since birth. I don't know if things as simple as connections changing would do it but certainly any means that directly rewrite sDNA would change them But as for whether they would have the same allomantic or feruchemical powers, I would guess so (subject to the threshold for snapping). 1
ccstat he/him Posted February 28, 2017 Posted February 28, 2017 (edited) My gut reaction on the twin question (which I can't back up with any realmatic reasoning) is that they would be more likely to have the same powers than non-identical siblings, but far from guaranteed. Another sDNA question I've been wondering about: We have a complete copy of our (regular) DNA in every cell. That means that with the right tools, you can analyze a small sample (blood, hair etc) and learn a ton about the person it came from. Would it be similarly possible to do a forensic analysis of identity-imprinted investiture (such as a partially filled metalmind, or the Breath in an awakened object) and get a clear picture of the owner's spiritweb? If yes, do such tools exist in the cosmere? Edited February 28, 2017 by ccstat 2
marsoupial they/them Posted March 1, 2017 Posted March 1, 2017 Alright, a couple of Mraize-based Q's... Is Mraize natively Rosharan? Does Mraize utilize other magic systems? If so, have we seen him do it?
marsoupial they/them Posted March 1, 2017 Posted March 1, 2017 (edited) Alright, a couple of Mraize-based Q's... Is Mraize natively Rosharan? It says he is Thaylen, but he doesn't have the eyebrows. I dunno. Does Mraize utilize other magic systems? If so, have we seen him do it? Does he have any notable connection to Hoid? Edited March 1, 2017 by bleeder
feldi Posted March 1, 2017 Posted March 1, 2017 I just read from the wiki the section in which shallam walks, as Veil, into the ghostblood hideout and I noticed that all the stuff there can be easly related to other Cosmere worlds, a bottle of pale sand sound like it came from Taldin, silver knife make me think of Therondy, an odd flower there can be a Tear of Adgly, I dont want to jump to much to conclusions put there is olso a piece of wood with writings which make me think of Sel, a pair of thick hair pins can easly be Hemolurgic spike if it's a chinies hair pin (wich make sence since althkar is generly eastern in look). There are a few more thing there but this were my mane one. So, did we already discused this? Is there a WoB that confrime or reject this? If there is one of the aboves I'd be happy kf you can point me to were to find it.
Pagerunner he/him Posted March 1, 2017 Posted March 1, 2017 13 minutes ago, feldi said: I just read from the wiki the section in which shallam walks, as Veil, into the ghostblood hideout and I noticed that all the stuff there can be easly related to other Cosmere worlds, a bottle of pale sand sound like it came from Taldin, silver knife make me think of Therondy, an odd flower there can be a Tear of Adgly, I dont want to jump to much to conclusions put there is olso a piece of wood with writings which make me think of Sel, a pair of thick hair pins can easly be Hemolurgic spike if it's a chinies hair pin (wich make sence since althkar is generly eastern in look). There are a few more thing there but this were my mane one. So, did we already discused this? Is there a WoB that confrime or reject this? If there is one of the aboves I'd be happy kf you can point me to were to find it. Yes, all of those theories have been proposed before. No WoBs on the subject. Not really anywhere to go with the ideas, just wait and see what comes up in the future. The other ones that people identify is that the crumbly crystal is connected to Aethers, a magic system that hasn't been published yet but will come up at some point, and that the hair could be Royal Locks from Warbreaker.
Landis963 he/him Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 3 hours ago, Pagerunner said: Yes, all of those theories have been proposed before. No WoBs on the subject. Not really anywhere to go with the ideas, just wait and see what comes up in the future. The other ones that people identify is that the crumbly crystal is connected to Aethers, a magic system that hasn't been published yet but will come up at some point, and that the hair could be Royal Locks from Warbreaker. I thought the tree branch was confirmed as being from Yolen. (And I believe it is the only one with a WoB attached, as opposed to the rest which have, at best, tacit confirmation, if they have anything at all). I'll try and find it on theoryland after church&dinner.
+Extesian he/him Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 8 hours ago, bleeder said: Alright, a couple of Mraize-based Q's... Is Mraize natively Rosharan? It says he is Thaylen, but he doesn't have the eyebrows. I dunno. Does Mraize utilize other magic systems? If so, have we seen him do it? Does he have any notable connection to Hoid? Peter confirmed Mraize is from Thaylenah Quote PeterAhlstrom Nightwatcher Team Sanderson 1,041 posts Posted August 13, 2014 · I think it's pretty clear in the book that Mraize is from Thaylenah.
Pagerunner he/him Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 2 hours ago, Landis963 said: I thought the tree branch was confirmed as being from Yolen. (And I believe it is the only one with a WoB attached, as opposed to the rest which have, at best, tacit confirmation, if they have anything at all). I'll try and find it on theoryland after church&dinner. If you can find a WoB, I'll agree with you wholeheartedly. But I haven't heard that idea before.
Jondesu he/him Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 (edited) Have any Shards been shattered splintered without Odium being involved? Edited March 2, 2017 by Jondesu
+Extesian he/him Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 18 minutes ago, Jondesu said: Have any Shards been shattered splintered without Odium being involved? I believe so? Quote LITTLE WILSON You mentioned that "half-ish" of the existing Shards are whole at the time of Shadows of Self. Is that counting splinters? BRANDON SANDERSON No. Splintered is one of the ways they are not considered whole. (He's thinking about Dominion and Devotion and says that's the opposite of whole) LITTLE WILSON I was thinking about shattered versus splintered, and going with shattered with Devotion and Dominion. And then splintered would be Honor separating a piece of himself to create the spren (pre-Shattering). BRANDON SANDERSON On Scadrial, Ruin and Preservation did the same thing. Their bodies are part of the world. Things on the spiritual realm don't matter where they are in relation to each other. All those spren are still Honor, when he was alive. Does that make sense? Yes, they're splinters of Honor, but they're still Honor. It's not like he's diminished, because his whole essence is the world. There's no diminishing that. So we're talking about the fracturing of the mind and killing of the Shard. That's the distinction between whole and not whole. LITTLE WILSON Are there any Shards we don't know of that are Shattered? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes. (Zas' sister says "Four....ish...right?") Eh....Honor is gone. Devotion and Dominion are gone. There are others. The question is is Cultivation gone or not? I haven't answered that for you. There are others. So this is why I'm not going to give you answers on this. If only half are whole and we (probably) know Odium only did Ambition, Devotion, Dominion and Honor, that leaves a few. Quote QUESTION And Cultivation, is she-- BRANDON SANDERSON She is still there. Alive and kicking. Quote BRANDON SANDERSON He went after Ambition first, but didn’t find Ambition until after going after Devotion and Dominion. But Ambitionwas number one on his hit list. Though on second thought that last WoB doesn't rule out Odium doing more Splintering on between. But that's a fair few missing. I have a theory that at least one Vessel self-splintered as a sacrifice to avoid their dangerous Shard falling into the wrong hands but it's not a popular theory.
LiquidBlue Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 Is it possible to form a Nahel bond with Nightblood?
LiquidBlue Posted March 4, 2017 Posted March 4, 2017 (edited) If a Feruchemist were to touch a shardblade would it feel like a valid target for a metalmind even if they couldn't store to it or tap it? If a feruchemist were to become a Knight Radiant could they store to or tap their shardblade? Edited March 4, 2017 by LiquidBlue Repeated post
+Extesian he/him Posted March 4, 2017 Posted March 4, 2017 On 03/03/2017 at 10:11 AM, LiquidBlue said: Is it possible to form a Nahel bond with Nightblood? I can't find the WoB I'm thinking of but I'm sure I saw something that said Nightblood will not grant surges on Roshar but will give some other kind of powers? Makes sense as he doesn't have a connection to Honor/Cultivation, he can just eat stormlight which will power his own powers. 1 hour ago, LiquidBlue said: If a Feruchemist were to touch a shardblade would it feel like a valid target for a metalmind even if they couldn't store to it or tap it? If a feruchemist were to become a Knight Radiant could they store to or tap their shardblade? I'm just guessing here with both of these but I think Shardblades are god-metal, but that as that metal is (presumably) not one of the 16 that it would be allomantically/feruchemically unusable. Atium is usable but because it's a god-metal from a shard that co-created Scadrial. We know there are other metals, like silver, that have no allomantic effect.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 1 hour ago, feldi said: Also they are probably way too invested I remember reading that Nightblood and Shardblades were too invested to function as Hemalurgic spikes, so I imagine they are too invested to be Metalminds. As for my Questions: General Shardic Information Would Ruin always form an end-negative magic system? Say one of the unknown Shards settles down on Nalthis. Would their resulting magic system also function via Breath or is that phenomenon limited to Endowment? Were the Shards all created at the exact same time? Or are they like twins who were born mere seconds apart? (Clarification, mostly just to get it on the record) Can holding a large amount of Investiture let you ignore the "connection" needed to pick up another Shard? (He's said Odium wont, not that he can't)
LiquidBlue Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 On 3/3/2017 at 10:46 PM, Extesian said: I can't find the WoB I'm thinking of but I'm sure I saw something that said Nightblood will not grant surges on Roshar but will give some other kind of powers? Makes sense as he doesn't have a connection to Honor/Cultivation, he can just eat stormlight which will power his own powers. That WoB probably answers my question then. I'll try to find it. If I understand correctly, Nightblood would grant additional powers (apparently not surges) to someone he is bonded to on Roshar. These would be powers in additional to his normal power. Quote I'm just guessing here with both of these but I think Shardblades are god-metal, but that as that metal is (presumably) not one of the 16 that it would be allomantically/feruchemically unusable. Atium is usable but because it's a god-metal from a shard that co-created Scadrial. We know there are other metals, like silver, that have no allomantic effect. This is what I am trying to get to with my question. I want it confirmed if a non-scandriallian god-metal can be used in allomancy/feruchemy. I know that a shardblade is probably way too invested to work as a metalmind, but I think that a feruchemist can still sense if a metal itself can be used feruchemically, even if that particular piece of metal has no space available to be actually used as a metalmind.
LiquidBlue Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 Can a gold misting burn malatium? Or more generally, can a misting burn the atium alloy of the metal that they burn?
Dunkum he/him Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 7 hours ago, LiquidBlue said: This is what I am trying to get to with my question. I want it confirmed if a non-scandriallian god-metal can be used in allomancy/feruchemy. I don't have the book in front of me right now, but I am pretty sure that in Shadows of Self, it is implied that Paalm is using a non-scadrial metal. maybe not a godmetal, but i don't see how it could be anything else.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted March 5, 2017 Posted March 5, 2017 9 hours ago, LiquidBlue said: but I think that a Feruchemist can still sense if a metal itself can be used Feruchemically For the purpose of a non-Scadrian God-Metal, it depends. Lerasium can be burned by anybody, but Atium cannot be. I imagine that some of the other God Metals are like Atium in this respect, and/or follow that same effect for Feruchemy. They may not register as being viable unless/until that Shard went and Invested in Scadrial. Additionally, Brandon has said more than once that we are "assuming that they[Shardblades] are not Allomantically inert." If they are inert, they probably shouldn't be viable at all.
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