Rosharian Worldhoppers

[Jondesu he/him]

Using a Shardpool would risk Horneater wrath,

Just wanted to note, as far as we know, only one of Roshar's Shardpool's is in the Horneater Peaks.  Both Honor and Cultivation should have Shardpools, so there should be another one somewhere else (Shinovar, maybe, or in the Purelake?).  That's definitely a viable possibility for worldhopping.

 

 

jW

Edited August 10, 2015 by Jondesu

[natc]

Just wanted to note, as far as we know, only one of Roshar's Shardpool's is in the Horneater Peaks. Both Honor and Preservation should have Shardpools, so there should be another one somewhere else (Shinovar, maybe, or in the Purelake?). That's definitely a viable possibility for worldhopping.

jW

Preservation?

[Amanuensis he/him]

He meant Cultivation.

 

My guess is the Purelake, considering that the group of three 17th Sharders we know of in WoR show up in Purelake, and that's where they have what's-his-face searching for Hoid, as if it were a central location that he may be traveling to/through.

Edited August 9, 2015 by Alvom

[Jondesu he/him]

Preservation?

Whoops.

 

jW

[FirstSelector]

Actually, given that Honor and Cultivation were lovers, came to Roshar together, and Invested the world together (spren are a mixture of Honor and Cultivation), I assumed that their shardpools were placed nearby.  Also, the way that Sigzil describes the craters implies that there is more than one crater in the Horneater peaks, which I assume means that's where both pools are located.  Of course, this could be wildly incorrect.

Edited August 10, 2015 by FirstSelector

[Blightsong he/him]

I like the idea that her name is Thaylen.  It's not airtight, but it might be a good place to start.

 

The biggest issue, in my mind, of the Rosharan worldhoppers is how they get off the planet.  Granted, the ardentia seems to have some fairly good grasp on Shadesmar, but without some sort of transportation surge any potential worldhoppers would have to find an alternate way across the boundary.  Assuming that the ardentia's records are not from pre-Recreance Elsecallers, there must be some other way.

 

Using a Shardpool would risk Horneater wrath, and the timeline lining up appears to rule out pre-Recreance Knights.  I suppose one could ask a boon from the Nightwatcher.  Perhaps there were other "new" Knights before the current time?

Another question, related, is if any of the Heralds engaged in worldhopping.  They aren't technically Rosharan, so I suppose they are ruled out.

It has been confirmed as possible to replicate every surge with the use of a fabrial, so I think that would be how Rosharans could worldhop.

[FirstSelector]

I would totally believe the existence of a fabrial that lets you worldhop.  The only issue is making sure you have enough (usable) Investiture to get back.

 

This raises another fascinating idea - can anyone from any world use this proposed fabrial?

[Michael Portz he/him]

I think the most promising trail here is Mailliws posting about the timeline-mismatch:

 

That's interesting, because if I recall correctly (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), the SA is the furthest along in the timeline of Cosmere novels(as well as Alloy). So any times we see Rosharan Worldhoppers in other novels, they'll be from before the events of SA.

 

Which people from Roshar do we know from before the events of SA? The heralds of course, perhaps Nohadon, perhaps Axies (he seems to be OLD), but that's it, or?

 

I mean, it would be pointless to give a nameless Rosharian from the Roshariant past screen time on another planet, or?

[The Sovereign]

I would totally believe the existence of a fabrial that lets you worldhop.  The only issue is making sure you have enough (usable) Investiture to get back.

 

This raises another fascinating idea - can anyone from any world use this proposed fabrial?

I suspect this is very similar to Vasher using Stormlight to sustain his Divine breath; Yes, anyone who has access to their local investiture (Breaths, the Dor, etc.) could use it to power a worldhopping fabrial, however, you would need to know how to do it and it probably isn't a 1 to 1 conversion. There are probably special circumstances for each form of the investiture that need to be met to substitute for the Stormlight.

Edited August 10, 2015 by Iron Eyes

[Blaze1616 he/him]

Another question, related, is if any of the Heralds engaged in worldhopping.  They aren't technically Rosharan, so I suppose they are ruled out.

 

Heralds have been stuck to the Greater Roshar system for 4,500 years. There's a WoB stating such...somewhere.

 

Also, did I miss something? Since when were the Heralds non-Rosharan?

[ParadoxicalZen he/him]

Heralds have been stuck to the Greater Roshar system for 4,500 years. There's a WoB stating such...somewhere.

 

Also, did I miss something? Since when were the Heralds non-Rosharan?

 

I was under the impression they were only bound to the Greater Roshar system due to the Oathpact and when they 'cracked' it, it allowed them more freedom

[natc]

Well clearly we have a Desolation upon us, so the Oathpact seems intact enough.

[ParadoxicalZen he/him]

Aye, via WoB, the Oathpact wasn't as broken as they first thought#

 

Interview: Mar 19th, 2014

WoR Signing Report - darkanimereal1 and luke (Verbatim)

Question ()

How many parties were there to the original Oathpact?

Brandon Sanderson

The Heralds and Honor. They thought that by walking away from their oaths, that it would break the Oathpact. They're going to find out that it's not quite as broken as they had previously thought (meaning the Heralds).

 

[FirstSelector]

Ah, I should be a bit more careful with language.  I seem to recall a WoB that was more explicit than these two, but a pair of entries here seems to imply that there is the distinct possibility that the Heralds are not native to Roshar.

 

There were a series of theories/ideas floating around the WoR release where it was hypothesized that humanity is not native to Roshar.  If we assume that Adonalsium built the planet, then the listeners are "native" (see entries 17, 18, and 29).  On the other hand, humanity was brought there by Honor, and it was conjectured that the Heralds were among the original "settlers," as it were.

 

I'll go make that more clear in my post.

[The Sovereign]

Ah, I should be a bit more careful with language.  I seem to recall a WoB that was more explicit than these two, but a pair of entries here seems to imply that there is the distinct possibility that the Heralds are not native to Roshar.

 

There were a series of theories/ideas floating around the WoR release where it was hypothesized that humanity is not native to Roshar.  If we assume that Adonalsium built the planet, then the listeners are "native" (see entries 17, 18, and 29).  On the other hand, humanity was brought there by Honor, and it was conjectured that the Heralds were among the original "settlers," as it were.

 

I'll go make that more clear in my post.

FirstSelector, I believe you are referring to this WoB:

Interview: Sep, 2012

Cosmere Q&A - 17th Shard (Verbatim)

Yados

Are the Heralds native to Roshar?

 

Brandon Sanderson

RAFO (Man, you're good at asking those, aren't you?)

[Khyrindor he/him]

The Shin have the Honorblades.