MR77: Cycle Two: See an Enemy

[Qianweilian He/him]

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

If you weren't voting for Hoid out of self-pres, where do you think you'd be voting? 

Last cycle you tried to stay away from his wagon, so just wondering. 

I don't know. Maybe TUC or coder.

Edited 5 hours ago by Qianweilian

[coco.pudding she/they]

1 minute ago, Qianweilian said:

I don't know. Maybe TUC or coder.

Any particular reason why?

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

8 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

You voted for me, Hoid (again self preservation)

8 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Essyn had stayed up all night with Ralm, fetching water and blankets, cleaning the vomit from his bed, desperately trying to acquire some kind of medicine to calm his stomach. In the end, it had been too late. He died just as the first rays of sun touched the horizon.

She had collected his trinkets then, and begun making arrangements for what to do with his body until he could be returned home. She sent a message via spanreed back to Thaylenah with the news of his death.

Then she prepared for the day. Prepared to make sure the trade negotiations went well, to make sure her Babsk’s final work was completed. She could do that for him, at least. For his legacy, as thanks for all he had done for her. Mourning would come later.

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Okay so I don’t particularly see e!Qian. A lot of his actions and defensiveness feel fairly in character for him when he is village and getting exed early (which does happen a decent amount). 

I do think there’s a good chance of Hoid being elim (as I said earlier) so I think that’s where my vote is going to sit, unless something crazy happens in the next ~1.5 hours until rollover.

Okay wait I find myself inclined to put in a little more effort all of a sudden

Gimme a sec to figure out what I’m doing with my action this cycle and then I’ll be back

2 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

I don't know. Maybe TUC or coder.

I’m willing to back you on Coder but I need to read what I missed and probably reread C1 ngl

Although tbh it doesn’t look like I missed too much

[coco.pudding she/they]

Just now, Hoid Slayer said:

Okay wait I find myself inclined to put in a little more effort all of a sudden

Heck yeah I love it when that happens : )

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Just now, coco.pudding said:

Heck yeah I love it when that happens : )

[Qianweilian He/him]

3 minutes ago, coco.pudding said:

Any particular reason why?

I don't feel either of them has meaningfully contributed, despite posting.

[Illwei]

Oh yeah, Just to let everyone know-

The reason I'm caught on TUC/Coder being Elims and have been trying to shake myself out of that- what I was talking earlier and coco was asking about. I already told Mint but I'll tell thread about it since, Idk, end of the cyle. I don't think I'm going to die, and I'm gonna try to get out some more thoughts before the end of the cycle but first I'll just talk on this: 

Coder in his opening PM to me mentioned that he had heard I was a returning player. This was before he popped into thread the first time, probably very shortly before he did he sent me the PM. 

I asked him where he heard that, because immediately I had a hard time imagining myself come up in conversation in a PM, He had not been in thread to see TUC's post about everyone, and even if I did come up in conversation...he didn't seem very...conversational? it had to have been a direct ask. 

I then asked him about it, and he said that it had come up in conversation with TUC, as he had PMs with TUC and Hoid. I had also said something else in the PM unrelated and he didn't respond to that part. 

Then when I asked TUO, who responded in thread without prompting (to his merit), he, well, I mean you can see the responses. It was basically him saying Coder asked him about me, which, while not completely conflicting with Coder's story...doesn't really match how I truly want it to. 

 

Anyways. Derps like this- from the Elims- Are rarely trustworthy, and when they are real they are still hard to go on. Hence me trying to move conversation and my mind away from this potential world. 

Just gonna put this out there though. Could be dangerous to but i figure idk why not free information. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 minute ago, Qianweilian said:

I don't feel either of them has meaningfully contributed, despite posting.

*cough* lowkey me *cough*

Ngl though literally all we can do in SE is post

Like I know what you mean but...

Yeah

I guess we can PM too

Not anymore though

[coco.pudding she/they]

2 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

I don't feel either of them has meaningfully contributed, despite posting.

Okay, that makes sense.

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Oh yeah, Just to let everyone know-

The reason I'm caught on TUC/Coder being Elims and have been trying to shake myself out of that- what I was talking earlier and coco was asking about. I already told Mint but I'll tell thread about it since, Idk, end of the cyle. I don't think I'm going to die, and I'm gonna try to get out some more thoughts before the end of the cycle but first I'll just talk on this: 

Coder in his opening PM to me mentioned that he had heard I was a returning player. This was before he popped into thread the first time, probably very shortly before he did he sent me the PM. 

I asked him where he heard that, because immediately I had a hard time imagining myself come up in conversation in a PM, He had not been in thread to see TUC's post about everyone, and even if I did come up in conversation...he didn't seem very...conversational? it had to have been a direct ask. 

I then asked him about it, and he said that it had come up in conversation with TUC, as he had PMs with TUC and Hoid. I had also said something else in the PM unrelated and he didn't respond to that part. 

Then when I asked TUO, who responded in thread without prompting (to his merit), he, well, I mean you can see the responses. It was basically him saying Coder asked him about me, which, while not completely conflicting with Coder's story...doesn't really match how I truly want it to. 

 

Anyways. Derps like this- from the Elims- Are rarely trustworthy, and when they are real they are still hard to go on. Hence me trying to move conversation and my mind away from this potential world. 

Just gonna put this out there though. Could be dangerous to but i figure idk why not free information. 

Well that’s very interesting. I’m seeing a reason to potentially look at them both a bit closer next cycle. I’d say this cycle but I don’t think we have enough time left. 
Did you (or anyone else) ever say you were a returning player before TUC’s post? If not that’s definitely suspicious. 

[Illwei]

@Hoid Slayer, @Stardust, @The Unknown Character, @coco.pudding, @Through the Living Hopper, @Mint11, @Qianweilian, @CoderDrag0n8, @|TJ|

Second Reminder that most people if not all should be using their Bonus Action (some should probably use their main action-idk feels like something) to be grabbing the Agreement. 

Though I understand if people are not going to be on in the next hour. 

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FAVOR: 

Today we have currently 3 people providing favor, correct if wrong. 

Mint
Coco
Qian

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

Just now, Illwei said:

Second Reminder that most people if not all should be using their Bonus Action (some should probably use their main action-idk feels like something) to be grabbing the Agreement. 

Though I understand if people are not going to be on in the next hour. 

I want to be fully transparent here

I am not going after the Agreement

I'm doing something else that I feel should be done, I don't really wanna say more, but I don't want a situation where everyone thinks someone else is gonna do it so no one does it

[Illwei]

EDIT: 

@coco.pudding  I never said anything I believe, but even if I had Coder had

1) Not been in thread yet

2) explicitly told me it had come from TUO in a PM. 

Real Edit: Well that's embarassing again. It's showing that I don't actually hit the edit button and instead just draft a new post with "EDIT" at the top.....

1 minute ago, Hoid Slayer said:

I'm doing something else that I feel should be done, I don't really wanna say more, but I don't want a situation where everyone thinks someone else is gonna do it so no one does it

Honestly you shouldn't have said anything to begin with here lmao, but it is what it is. 

Edited 5 hours ago by Illwei

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

Honestly you shouldn't have said anything to begin with here lmao, but it is what it is. 

I know I said it mainly for point #2

[coco.pudding she/they]

6 minutes ago, Illwei said:

FAVOR: 

Today we have currently 3 people providing favor, correct if wrong. 

Mint
Coco
Qian

So wait can I take an item and use it in the same round? Because otherwise I can’t but I’m kinda unclear on that still

Also, if I do that I can’t try to get Axies…that is one less person going for it. But if y’all are fine with that I could still be willing.

ALSO. If anyone else is taking and using an item in the same cycle, can we clarify which one each of us is going for since I believe there’s only the one favor increasing item this cycle?

4 minutes ago, Illwei said:

I never said anything I believe, but even if I had Coder had

1) Not been in thread yet

2) explicitly told me it had come from TUO in a PM. 

Okay cool. Just making sure. 

[Illwei]

Just now, coco.pudding said:

So wait can I take an item and use it in the same round? Because otherwise I can’t but I’m kinda unclear on that still

No, You cannot. So we have two people. 

Everyone has two actions. I do stand by that everyone should be going after the Agreement, as Grub brought up, but if you aren't or you are don't advertise it to the thread. Bonus actions cannot be blocked. If you are providing favour, please use your bonus action. 

[Qianweilian He/him]

1 minute ago, Illwei said:

No, You cannot. So we have two people. 

Everyone has two actions. I do stand by that everyone should be going after the Agreement, as Grub brought up, but if you aren't or you are don't advertise it to the thread. Bonus actions cannot be blocked. If you are providing favour, please use your bonus action. 

What is the agreement? Is Axies the Collector just camping out in the cargo hold, just waiting for someone to grab him and run?

[coco.pudding she/they]

2 minutes ago, Illwei said:

No, You cannot. So we have two people. 

My bad, that was me misreading the rules.

Can somebody else step up that got a favor item last cycle?

[Mint11 she/her]

the game totally slipped my mind since the afternoon oof

2 hours ago, Ascended Grubberfly said:

Okay, so @Qianweilian has offered to take responsibility for one Favor. Is there anyone else who can help, preferable two or more people?

I might have missed the post where Qian said this, but two other people have already offered so we're good on that front

 

I do find it kind of weird that Qian went from all self-preservation last cycle to barely minding that he's the primary ex target this cycle... until like five minutes ago when again he voted purely out of self preservation and again made no move to ex someone he believes is actually a ghostblood. I do think the lack of discussion after he got so many votes indicates village though. I wanted to give it a little more time to see what would happen, but then I totally forgot to check in after this morning

atm I think hoid is village. TUC also.

not totally confident in this, but Illwei. I feel like he's been mostly agreeable, the exception being the initial vote on TUC which he hedged:

Quote

I do believe that historically I clash a little with TUO, but I may be wrong about that. So forgive me if my vote of 

The Unknown Character

Is at all premature. 

but did not change til very late. I'm also willing to vote on grub or coco

 

I've changed my mind a bit from C1 and I do think it's useful having a set of players stating outright that they can give favor in thread. we can aim for the current amount of enmity + 1. so if you're willing to, say so, but I think villagers should stop announcing that they can't give favor. whether you do it or not is one thing, but we don't need to give the elims insight into our abilities for the round

Just now, Hoid Slayer said:

I am not going after the Agreement

same vein, I really don't think its in our interest to announce stuff like this

 

update: smh you guys post too fast

vote count

Qian (2): Hoid, TUC

Hoid (3): Illwei, Qian, coco

Illwei (1): Mint

[coco.pudding she/they]

2 minutes ago, Mint11 said:

I've changed my mind a bit from C1 and I do think it's useful having a set of players stating outright that they can give favor in thread. we can aim for the current amount of enmity + 1. so if you're willing to, say so, but I think villagers should stop announcing that they can't give favor. whether you do it or not is one thing, but we don't need to give the elims insight into our abilities for the round

Are you going to add favor? You volunteered earlier, yes? 
If you and Qian both can we only need one more. (Technically we’re good but insurance is nice)

[Mint11 she/her]

Just now, coco.pudding said:

Are you going to add favor? You volunteered earlier, yes? 
If you and Qian both can we only need one more. (Technically we’re good but insurance is nice)

okay yeah I think I missed that you might not be able to. but yes, I'll add favor

[coco.pudding she/they]

Just now, Mint11 said:

okay yeah I think I missed that you might not be able to. but yes, I'll add favor

Okay cool

Yeah I had misremembered the item taking/using rules earlier when I volunteered lol

[Illwei]

Gonna share this with thread, even though I know people will probably go "uhhhh this makes no sense"

Yellow is likely unpaired, green is "potentially pairing actions" but like, ignore them because they don't matter to flips. 

I think i unpaired some people early on for easy things that mayyybe I shouldn't have- but idk it's a rough Idea. 

Another Caveat is that if Coder is an Elim I don't think he is ever partnered with BOTH TUO and Hoid, but I also have TUO and Hoid as unpartnered as is, so that's fine. 

If Hoid is an Elim (i know i know, I'm voting on him-) I really only see him with Coder/TJ/Hopper/Stardust, which really isn't a lot. I think through activity he has pretty much unpaired himself with everyone else. Everyone like. in thread. I think the most solid unpairings are probably Qian and Coco though- Coco from their side with their instigating suspicion on Hoid. 

Spoiler

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11 minutes ago, Mint11 said:

not totally confident in this, but Illwei. I feel like he's been mostly agreeable, the exception being the initial vote on TUC which he hedged:

You're so sweet for that

EDIT: 

This is a really good unpairing moment between Qian and Hoid - if you read it. Qian's response is what people are initially right now talking about why he's suspicious partly, and Hoid's half is him backing off slightly of Qian because he knows his vote is unjustified. 

This would also mean more if Qian was dead and flipped V, but how I see this is another point for why I think Hoid could be an Elim- because his initial response was "I didn't like the goodnight post," but when pressed on it more it turned into "I know it was a normal goodnight post, but I didn't have anywhere else to vote."

ED2T:

Again, I don't think I'm dying tonight, but I'm also paranoid and though pairings aren't incredibly useful as a grounds for an Exe, I do want to get my thoughts out before the next cycle because. Well. Uhm. I'm paranoid. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Illwei

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

 Alright C1 Summary of Meaningful Events (SME) let's do this

Spoiler

I pop in

Coco pops in

Qian says good night

I RP a bit, poke Qian, introduce coordination discussion

Illwei appears, isn't too excited about coordination

Wahr pokes Hopper

Qian questions me

I give minimum reason

Qian fights it

TUC pops in

Mint asks about Crew Mentorship ability - probably safe to presume a crewmember here, but it really isn't important

Illwei backs my vote on Qian

Wahr jumps of Hopper to Illwei for making a train, 7 hours after Hopper poke

I support Illwei

Grub wonders if homicide is optimal

Qian is stubborn

We talk about killing people a little

Wahr supports murder with good points

Hopper pokes TJ

TUC wants to coordinate

Myst pokes me

Illwei settles the "should we kill" discussion, votes TUC cause she's still anti coordination too much, thinks he's hyperfixating

Myst unvotes me (I'm still not sure why, tbh)

I spend a lot of time quoting people and saying little

Illwei thinks Grub looks like a new elim, debates with Myst a little

Coco appears

Grub votes me for backing his own idea

Mint pops in and yaps about nothing

Grub unvotes me, pokes Coder

Qian v!leans me and Grub, votes Myst I don't know why

Illwei seems to have changed her mind about Grub, cause now she likes them. I don't really agree with her reasons why tbh (specifically the vote on me)

Coder finally appears, RPs, says nothing

Grub reiterates liking me and Qian, now likes Illwei too, doesn't like Myst or TUC, votes TUC

Myst votes Qian for weird reads

Coco is still around but doing nothing

So is Wahr

Qian switches vote from Myst to TUC

VC:

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

Illwei (1): Wahr

TJ (1): Hopper

TUC (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian

Mint v!reads Qian, slightly e!reads me, doesn't love Grub, doesn't like Myst, votes me

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

Illwei (1): Wahr

TJ (1): Hopper

TUC (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian 

Hoid (1): Mint

TJ votes Wahr for reaction to Illwei's vote on Qian at the start

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

Illwei (1): Wahr

TJ (1): Hopper

TUC (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian 

Hoid (1): Mint

Wahr (1): TJ

Wahr switches vote from Illwei to me cause he didn't like how I proposed tying him for the exe 

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

TJ (1): Hopper

TUC (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian 

Hoid (2): Mint, Wahr

Wahr (1): TJ

Illwei votes Wahr

Qian also decides to vote Wahr to save his skin and likes me

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

TJ (1): Hopper

Hoid (2): Mint, Wahr

Wahr (3): TJ, Illwei, Qian

Rollover happens uneventfully from there

*sigh*

I am now reminded why I stopped doing this

I'm gonna give reads and some conclusions, maybe some vote analysis in a sec but first I'mma drop this and see what the 7 new replies are about

9 minutes ago, Illwei said:

This is a really good unpairing moment between Qian and Hoid - if you read it. Qian's response is what people are initially right now talking about why he's suspicious partly, and Hoid's half is him backing off slightly of Qian because he knows his vote is unjustified. 

This would also mean more if Qian was dead and flipped V, but how I see this is another point for why I think Hoid could be an Elim- because his initial response was "I didn't like the goodnight post," but when pressed on it more it turned into "I know it was a normal goodnight post, but I didn't have anywhere else to vote."

Well I mean the truth is it was a pretty weak vote

It was just a poke with the most reasoning I could scavenge on anyone who had posted so far cause I didn't wanna blatantly claim a poke vote and maybe get a reaction out of Qian (which I did)

3 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said:

Alright C1 Summary of Meaningful Events (SME) let's do this

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I pop in

Coco pops in

Qian says good night

I RP a bit, poke Qian, introduce coordination discussion

Illwei appears, isn't too excited about coordination

Wahr pokes Hopper

Qian questions me

I give minimum reason

Qian fights it

TUC pops in

Mint asks about Crew Mentorship ability - probably safe to presume a crewmember here, but it really isn't important

Illwei backs my vote on Qian

Wahr jumps of Hopper to Illwei for making a train, 7 hours after Hopper poke

I support Illwei

Grub wonders if homicide is optimal

Qian is stubborn

We talk about killing people a little

Wahr supports murder with good points

Hopper pokes TJ

TUC wants to coordinate

Myst pokes me

Illwei settles the "should we kill" discussion, votes TUC cause she's still anti coordination too much, thinks he's hyperfixating

Myst unvotes me (I'm still not sure why, tbh)

I spend a lot of time quoting people and saying little

Illwei thinks Grub looks like a new elim, debates with Myst a little

Coco appears

Grub votes me for backing his own idea

Mint pops in and yaps about nothing

Grub unvotes me, pokes Coder

Qian v!leans me and Grub, votes Myst I don't know why

Illwei seems to have changed her mind about Grub, cause now she likes them. I don't really agree with her reasons why tbh (specifically the vote on me)

Coder finally appears, RPs, says nothing

Grub reiterates liking me and Qian, now likes Illwei too, doesn't like Myst or TUC, votes TUC

Myst votes Qian for weird reads

Coco is still around but doing nothing

So is Wahr

Qian switches vote from Myst to TUC

VC:

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

Illwei (1): Wahr

TJ (1): Hopper

TUC (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian

Mint v!reads Qian, slightly e!reads me, doesn't love Grub, doesn't like Myst, votes me

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

Illwei (1): Wahr

TJ (1): Hopper

TUC (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian 

Hoid (1): Mint

TJ votes Wahr for reaction to Illwei's vote on Qian at the start

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

Illwei (1): Wahr

TJ (1): Hopper

TUC (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian 

Hoid (1): Mint

Wahr (1): TJ

Wahr switches vote from Illwei to me cause he didn't like how I proposed tying him for the exe 

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

TJ (1): Hopper

TUC (3): Illwei, Grub, Qian 

Hoid (2): Mint, Wahr

Wahr (1): TJ

Illwei votes Wahr

Qian also decides to vote Wahr to save his skin and likes me

Qian (2): Hoid, Myst

TJ (1): Hopper

Hoid (2): Mint, Wahr

Wahr (3): TJ, Illwei, Qian

Rollover happens uneventfully from there

*sigh*

I am now reminded why I stopped doing this

I'm gonna give reads and some conclusions, maybe some vote analysis in a sec but first I'mma drop this and see what the 7 new replies are about

Alright time for some analysis

Instinctually, from C1, I like TJ a lot (both his vote on Wahr here, his vibes, and his PM behavior with me, I like TUC

I don't know how much I like Illwei but the truth is that is an absurd amount of work to be putting in for an elim, I still don't think we should pursue a possible exe here just cause if Illwei is village she is an extremely valuable resource

I'm gonna leave my vote on Qian cause I actually need to go now, don't kill me pls 

I know I promised analysis and didn't give it, this stuff happens

I don't like Coder either, still

Oh and I don't like Coco cause she's been around a lot but has never really said anything game related

[Illwei]

Also I'm gonna take back my comment that TUO and Hoid are unpaired. After re-reading through C1 there is nothing I find that sways me. I also take back the TUO/Grub unpairing. 

I love games

EDIT: 

@Hoid Slayer

Can you give some examples about coco? Having just read through can you give more info than "Hasn't said much?"

I have comments but I feel as though people keep using my words and thoughts that I've said so far with less elaboration. Coco shaded hoid so I went through and made a list of things for him, and before that I provided a detailed summary of why I didn't trust Coco. lol. 

Edited 4 hours ago by Illwei

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

@Illwei I just PMed you and it said you left the conversation what is up with that