Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 Just now, Verdance said: Has someone got an example of a more complex and confusing game of SE? Aman’s Zelda game was so wonky I was too scared to play it
coco.pudding she/they Posted May 28 Posted May 28 3 minutes ago, Hoid Slayer said: Aman’s Zelda game was so wonky I was too scared to play it I can confirm this one is miles more complicated I got that one pretty quick. This one I’m still struggling with and think I probably will be for at least a couple more cycles.
Wahrheitswächter He/Him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 6 minutes ago, Verdance said: Has someone got an example of a more complex and confusing game of SE? I have seen a Ruleset that was played a few years ago, it was based on the KKC, the Google Doc with the Rules had like 30 Pages I think that was way more complex
The Unknown Character he/him Posted May 28 Author Posted May 28 8 minutes ago, Verdance said: Has someone got an example of a more complex and confusing game of SE? Yes! The one this is based on, LG92 was definitely more confusing. KKC is definitely more complex. I'd say it depends on the player whether this one is worse than the Shard games, and it's pretty comparable to the Majora's Mask game.
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 I was planning on posting an RP tonight but I’m too tired
Araris Valerian he/him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 I mean, in a pinch we could just ignore this game and focus on the metagame. It's a terrible strategy, but it does avoid a lot of the complication.
Mystic He/Him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 5 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I mean, in a pinch we could just ignore this game and focus on the metagame. It's a terrible strategy, but it does avoid a lot of the complication. To me that sounds like a really bad idea. I’d rather take the 50/50 chance and just commit to a side and hope for the best.
coco.pudding she/they Posted May 28 Posted May 28 11 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I mean, in a pinch we could just ignore this game and focus on the metagame. It's a terrible strategy, but it does avoid a lot of the complication. Don’t love this idea, but ig it’s possible the game plays out on its own in the opposite way the elims want I doubt it tho, we are not living in a perfect world
___ He/Him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 6 hours ago, Myst said: As am I. All in favor of shardworlds? Sure
Araris Valerian he/him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 I wasn’t really saying we should do that. Just that the added complexity doesn’t have to get in the way of solving the game. We can win by solving the metagame, getting this one right just makes it easier. I probably can’t convince everyone to chill on my porch with me, but I do think folks should just take things as they come and not overwhelm themselves with stuff we don’t have to bother with yet.
coco.pudding she/they Posted May 28 Posted May 28 5 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: I wasn’t really saying we should do that. Just that the added complexity doesn’t have to get in the way of solving the game. We can win by solving the metagame, getting this one right just makes it easier. I probably can’t convince everyone to chill on my porch with me, but I do think folks should just take things as they come and not overwhelm themselves with stuff we don’t have to bother with yet. See now that I can get behind. There’s way too much complexity here for us to be adding more ourselves. There’s really nothing we actually know this cycle, we’re going to have to figure all the elim bet stuff out later depending on how the pseudogame goes, that’s kinda the whole point. What we need to be doing right now is pretending this is the first cycle of a normal game and toss out some random votes to see what sticks. Then when the first pseudogame cycle is done and we have an actual data point, we can extrapolate from there. (I can vote in thread, right? That is a thing we’re doing, the spreadsheet is just for note purposes?)
Mystic He/Him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 2 minutes ago, coco.pudding said: I can vote in thread, right? That is a thing we’re doing, the spreadsheet is just for note purposes?) If it’s not in the spreadsheet it doesn’t count
coco.pudding she/they Posted May 28 Posted May 28 5 minutes ago, Myst said: If it’s not in the spreadsheet it doesn’t count Ohh okay Well in that case I can’t do a vote that counts rn bc I can’t edit the spreadsheet currently but uh seems like the trend is voting inactive people so they become active so to that end Coder defend yourself! @CoderDrag0n8
Qianweilian He/him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 Hey everyone, I'm sorry, but something I wasn't expecting came up. I won't be freely available (although I may or may not be able to post one or two things) for the next turn (48 hours). I apologize for the inconvenience. 2
Hoid Slayer He/Him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 (edited) In a shocking turn of events, I find myself agreeing with Araris Valerian With that said, I haven’t played in a long time, and I wanna reap the juice of this game if I can, which does mean tryharding the pseudogame 5 hours ago, coco.pudding said: Ohh okay Well in that case I can’t do a vote that counts rn bc I can’t edit the spreadsheet currently but uh seems like the trend is voting inactive people so they become active so to that end Coder defend yourself! @CoderDrag0n8 Coder get in here RP: Evinir Cragborn walked the streets of his homeworld, his head down. Even now, after all these years, the place brought back memories. It was here, after all, where his life had changed forever. The visions came back to him in flashes. The murders. The Wizard. A false friend, And then, peeking around the bars of his cell like a savior, Hoid. Damn Hoid. He had fought for something, in those days. He had thought himself a hero. Now, he merely fought to survive. He shut his eyes, and a lone tear began to trickle down his cheek. He ignored it, let it fall. It did not merit his effort. His uncle would have called it weakness. His uncle had died hundreds of years ago, fat and forgotten. Only Evinir endured. Hallandren had changed a lot since his uncle’s days. But some things never changed. Dodging stares from his Breaths, Evinir walked down side streets, until at last he arrived at what seemed to be a modern building. He went inside, and snuck past the manager into a secret level underneath. From there, he maneuvered his way down old tunnels, until at last, he reached a seemingly blank wall. He reached out with his hand, and spoke a Command. Slowly, the bricks peeled apart to reveal a passageway. It was still here. Evinir walked into the hideout, and made sure the door shut behind him. He lit a match, and used it to light the torches perched throughout the walls. This place predated electricity. It, too, held a special significance for Evinir. It was here where he had first come into contact with Ekkar - poor, damned Ekkar Loral. After his feud with Hoid, Evinir had returned here, and set it up. In the centuries that followed, he had come only a few times - only when he truly needed to hide. This was one of those occasions. After cleaning the place, Evinir sat down at the desk, and pulled out his spanreed and quill. Old fashioned as they were, they felt right in his hands. And those who needed to hear his words would understand him. Evinir placed the quill on the paper, and began to write. Edited May 28 by Hoid Slayer Added RP 2
Stardust She/Her Posted May 28 Posted May 28 Uh, hi, I realized I hadn't posted in any of the threads yet, so here I am! I have been talking with people but in PMs and in the world doc, so I have been here, and I have seen everything, I just haven't had anything to post in the threads. I just don't want to get called out for not posting anything, so I guess here I am!
___ He/Him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 11 hours ago, coco.pudding said: Ohh okay Well in that case I can’t do a vote that counts rn bc I can’t edit the spreadsheet currently but uh seems like the trend is voting inactive people so they become active so to that end Coder defend yourself! @CoderDrag0n8 Yes coder where you be
|TJ| he/him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 21 hours ago, Araris Valerian said: I’m pretty sure the elims have a major incentive to let this game drag on for a while, especially if they are confident in their bet. The reason is that conversions are more powerful the later on in the game that they take place. On the flip side, if the village wins quickly (causing the elims to lose their bet), we’ll get a some flips that won’t tell us much, since we won’t have any discussion to draw further connections with. For this reason, I think the elims would bet on an elim victory, since it necessarily takes longer. So while it won’t result in as much carnage, I’d be in favor of the elims outing themselves (or at least one of them doing so). I don't see any rule that says they HAVE to use the conversion as soon as they get it. They can choose to win the pseudo-game early and hoard the convert till late-game, no?
Mystic He/Him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 12 minutes ago, |TJ| said: I don't see any rule that says they HAVE to use the conversion as soon as they get it. They can choose to win the pseudo-game early and hoard the convert till late-game, no? I believe so. Which means they could save it till they’re about to die(or close to) and then flip the game. It’s what happened in the last conversion game. Granted, the right before we died was C1, but still
|TJ| he/him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 Yeah, which means that the argument that they would choose pseudo-elim to win to prolong the game to get the convert late does not really hold true.
Mystic He/Him Posted May 28 Posted May 28 Just now, |TJ| said: Yeah, which means that the argument that they would choose pseudo-elim to win to prolong the game to get the convert late does not really hold true. If anything that just supports my theory of blitzing the game.
Araris Valerian he/him Posted May 29 Posted May 29 (edited) 3 hours ago, |TJ| said: I don't see any rule that says they HAVE to use the conversion as soon as they get it. They can choose to win the pseudo-game early and hoard the convert till late-game, no? Oh. I was just assuming that a few folks flipped alignments at random, since the elims that get revealed also happens randomly. @The Unknown Medallion, could we get confirmation about this? Edit: And conversion isn't currently listed in the metagame OOA, so that should probably be clarified if it is an action. Edited May 29 by Araris Valerian
___ He/Him Posted May 29 Posted May 29 Well I'm not gonna be on again probably till rollover so I dont really have anyone in suspicious of right now
Mystic He/Him Posted May 29 Posted May 29 6 minutes ago, ___ said: Well I'm not gonna be on again probably till rollover so I dont really have anyone in suspicious of right now You should still submit a vote, even if it’s pure random, voting will always be better than not voting*
The Unknown Character he/him Posted May 29 Author Posted May 29 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Araris Valerian said: Oh. I was just assuming that a few folks flipped alignments at random, since the elims that get revealed also happens randomly. @The Unknown Medallion, could we get confirmation about this? Edit: And conversion isn't currently listed in the metagame OOA, so that should probably be clarified if it is an action. It was intended to be a choice, though it does not use an action. I put it into the OoA for future reference, but it is after the Retiree Scan but before the kill and exe Edited May 29 by The Unknown Medallion
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