Doc12 Posted April 19 Posted April 19 I also chose upstairs for my exploration. As I didn't receive a role and am still a villager, it's for sure scenario 2 Jokes aside, I do think it would be interesting for everyone to share where they explored last night. Won't be of any help in scenario 1, where (14x20%=3) players are motivated to lie, but in scenario 2 and 3 there's only 1 person motivated to lie would lie. One of the actual concrete hints could be the butler's gift. If in the vote count tonight a player's vote counts twice, we know we're in either scenario 1 or 3. The other way is clue-searching. I'm not completely sure of the mechanics between searching the house for clues or items, but from what I understand we have a 65% chance of finding a relevant clue and a 10-70% chance of finding an item (70% for the shoe, 10% for a useful item) It seems like searching for clues for the first couple rounds would be the helpful to determine exactly what kind of situation we've found ourselves in, but not after that. ------------------------------- Quote “Perhaps one, the cards speak to everyone and everything” Brax started to shuffle the cards, making them fly through the air before landing in a deck in his palm. “Perhaps it’ll tell something.” He offered the deck to Verna. Verna gasped in delight. Placing her hand on the deck, she closed her eyes. Her slender fingers tapped the cards, before settling on one that called to her. She pulled it. A great crescent moon in the sky, a goddess watching, moon motes like possibilities drifting into the city below. "Art thou pale for weariness Of climbing Heaven, and gazing on the earth, Wandering companionless Among the stars that have a different birth,— And ever changing, like a joyless eye That finds no object worth its constancy?" Verna let out a happy sigh. "What a gift. Thank you, dearest." She lifted her veil, just slightly enough that Brax might catch a glimpse of a pale face and dark lips curved into a smile. "Now, you must name something I might give you in return." (Poem by Percy Bysshe Shelley)
StrikerEZ he/him Posted April 19 Posted April 19 I explored the basement for no particular reason. I do want to point out that we maybe shouldn’t gang up on anyone who is reticent of sharing where they explored N0. I do agree that it is most beneficial for the village, but I can understand the possibility of someone being reluctant there. Granted, that might not even be necessary caveat. For all I know everyone will just come out and share where they explored and we’ll just have to reason out what scenario we ended up in.
Verdance he/him Posted April 19 Posted April 19 I explored upstairs for no reason other than RP cause that’s what my character would do And I didn’t read the rules until after I explored upstairs
Stardust She/Her Posted April 19 Posted April 19 I explored the ground floor because tbh I had no clue what to do and figured that ground floor was as good as any. Also it kinda makes sense for my character.
Mystic He/Him Posted April 19 Posted April 19 I’m seeing a lot of ground floor and upstairs. So unless the luck went wonky, that seems to suggest scenario 1 or 2. Just going by weights(remember this is all chance do there’s no guarantee that this is accurate) In scenario 1, that would suggest an Elim in Striker or I(I admit, I explored the basement for the express purpose of weighting my chances of being Elim, since I felt scenario 1 was likely from what people said) or perhaps both. In scenario 2, that suggests the gun in Wahr, Fizz, Star and ____ *these aren’t complete lists and it’s very chance based, so I’m not sure how helpful it’ll be, but the weighting should be mostly accurate in scenario 1, since there’s 3 chances of Elim. I think either way though we can soft clear the people who explored upstairs for now(obviously not anyone after this post, but the people who claimed before this) because while it’s not bulletproof, it leaves the chances in our favor Striker
Mint11 she/her Posted April 19 Posted April 19 (edited) okay so I thought the scenario would actually be revealed on D1. this should be interesting 13 hours ago, StrikerEZ said: Anyway, I think our best course of action is to proceed as if this is a standard elim game until we get actual info proving otherwise. So, to start things off, I’m going to give a lovely poke vote to Frozen Mint to start us off. Someone’s gotta throw down the first vote. hello! I don't have much going, except that I chose to explore the basement. also that doc PM'ed me my guess yesterday was that most people would choose to explore either the upstairs or basement, which would lead to scenario 2 or 3. I wanted to be village this game, so I figured basement would be my safest bet. of course, if I do get converted later, I will show no mercy current tally: Upstairs: doc, divergent, ver Ground: ___ (aka mippo), wahr, fizz, star Basement: mist, mint @Through the living Wahr @Divergent @Doc12 @Fizz9 @___ any particular reason you guys chose to explore the floor you did? edit: I put my vote in the wrong place :') fixed now edit2: last time, unless I got something else wrong.... Edited April 19 by Frozen Mint
___ He/Him Posted April 19 Posted April 19 9 minutes ago, Frozen Mint said: okay so I thought the scenario would actually be revealed on D1. this should be interesting hello! I don't have much going, except that I chose to explore the basement. also that doc PM'ed me my guess yesterday was that most people would choose to explore either the upstairs or basement, which would lead to scenario 2 or 3. I wanted to be village this game, so I figured basement would be my safest bet. of course, if I do get converted later, I will show no mercy current tally: Upstairs: doc, divergent, ver Ground: ___ (aka mippo), wahr, fizz, star Basement: mist, mint @Through the living Wahr @Divergent @Doc12 @Fizz9 @___ any particular reason you guys chose to explore the floor you did? edit: I put my vote in the wrong place :') fixed now edit2: last time, unless I got something else wrong.... I forgot to vote, it was randomized
Wahrheitswächter He/Him Posted April 19 Posted April 19 11 minutes ago, Frozen Mint said: okay so I thought the scenario would actually be revealed on D1. this should be interesting hello! I don't have much going, except that I chose to explore the basement. also that doc PM'ed me my guess yesterday was that most people would choose to explore either the upstairs or basement, which would lead to scenario 2 or 3. I wanted to be village this game, so I figured basement would be my safest bet. of course, if I do get converted later, I will show no mercy current tally: Upstairs: doc, divergent, ver Ground: ___ (aka mippo), wahr, fizz, star Basement: mist, mint @Through the living Wahr @Divergent @Doc12 @Fizz9 @___ any particular reason you guys chose to explore the floor you did? edit: I put my vote in the wrong place :') fixed now edit2: last time, unless I got something else wrong.... There wasnt really a reason for why I explored the Basement
Mystic He/Him Posted April 19 Posted April 19 1 hour ago, Through the living Wahr said: There wasnt really a reason for why I explored the Basement Huh? Didn’t you say you explored th ground floor? 12 hours ago, Through the living Wahr said: Yeah, so finding out what Scenario we are playing will be quite dificult. Because neither our exploration nor the clues we find will be reliable. The Clues can be wrong and N0 exploration caims can be wrong. And I think whoever is the Elims/First Gun/Kandra could share wrong N0 ecploration to be purposefully misleading. I will say though that I have explored the Ground floor. Now I will poke vote Qian See?
Fizz9 Posted April 19 Posted April 19 1 hour ago, Frozen Mint said: any particular reason you guys chose to explore the floor you did? Just seemed like the best option. *Shrugs* I'm going to poke someone, so I might as well poke Through the living Wahr.
Mystic He/Him Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Alright, the tallies I’ve seen have had wrong information, or have been missing stuff, which is weird, because this isn’t even a page long, so here: Upstairs: Dive, Doc, Ver, Middle Floor: Wahr, Star, ____, Fizz, Basement: Mist, Striker, Mint. hmmm, I might need to take back what I said earlier, this is a pretty even distribution, so no more soft clearing of the upper floor people from me. Unless the remaining people who haven’t declared yet all went to the same floor, I think the numbers are close enough that we can’t figure it out based on that. 1
Wahrheitswächter He/Him Posted April 19 Posted April 19 1 hour ago, Mist. said: Huh? Didn’t you say you explored th ground floor? See? The Basement Quote was just a Mistake by me, english is not my first language and it was just a mix up in the Moment which I didnt noticed. 1
Miss Fallen she/her Posted April 19 Posted April 19 So to continue our exploration declarations, I went upstairs. Also, people with roles doesn’t entirely clear them. The rules have this whole thing about 50/50 for the weighting. “After the scenario is selected, the elims/Kandra/Gun are handed out per the specific scenario. For each choice, a coin flip determines whether the player is selected from the Floor Exploration pool, or from the entire player pool. For example, if only Araris explores the Ground Floor during N0 and Scenario 2 is selected, there is a 50% chance Araris receives the Smoking Gun, and a 50% chance that anyone gets it (Araris could also get it from this roll).“ -this is in the exploration on N0 section So floor and roles don’t equate scenario, but can help. We should definitely prioritize searching for clues; while some may be from the wrong scenario, getting lots of clues will hopefully narrow down which scenario we’re in. This seems like the most solid way to solve the scenario, especially as these will be info we don’t already have.
Mystic He/Him Posted April 19 Posted April 19 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Through the living Wahr said: The Basement Quote was just a Mistake by me, english is not my first language and it was just a mix up in the Moment which I didnt noticed. Alright, I assumed so but still wanted to check. 14 minutes ago, Miss Fallen said: So to continue our exploration declarations, I went upstairs. Also, people with roles doesn’t entirely clear them. The rules have this whole thing about 50/50 for the weighting. “After the scenario is selected, the elims/Kandra/Gun are handed out per the specific scenario. For each choice, a coin flip determines whether the player is selected from the Floor Exploration pool, or from the entire player pool. For example, if only Araris explores the Ground Floor during N0 and Scenario 2 is selected, there is a 50% chance Araris receives the Smoking Gun, and a 50% chance that anyone gets it (Araris could also get it from this roll).“ -this is in the exploration on N0 section So floor and roles don’t equate scenario, but can help. We should definitely prioritize searching for clues; while some may be from the wrong scenario, getting lots of clues will hopefully narrow down which scenario we’re in. This seems like the most solid way to solve the scenario, especially as these will be info we don’t already have. Yeah, but it’s all a numbers thing, regardless, with clues it’s numbers, with exploration it’s numbers. I actually think the gift is the best way to figure it out, whoever has the gift knows they do, and can watch their vote to see if they got anything(unless their Elim or Kandra or have the gun) Edit: I suppose I should clarify, the person with the gift should only claim that once they know for sure what the scenario is, if we haven’t figured it out by then(the NK could be helpful in figuring it out) until then do not claim it. Edited April 19 by Mist.
Divergent He/Him Posted April 20 Posted April 20 4 hours ago, Frozen Mint said: okay so I thought the scenario would actually be revealed on D1. this should be interesting hello! I don't have much going, except that I chose to explore the basement. also that doc PM'ed me my guess yesterday was that most people would choose to explore either the upstairs or basement, which would lead to scenario 2 or 3. I wanted to be village this game, so I figured basement would be my safest bet. of course, if I do get converted later, I will show no mercy current tally: Upstairs: doc, divergent, ver Ground: ___ (aka mippo), wahr, fizz, star Basement: mist, mint @Through the living Wahr @Divergent @Doc12 @Fizz9 @___ any particular reason you guys chose to explore the floor you did? edit: I put my vote in the wrong place :') fixed now edit2: last time, unless I got something else wrong.... I signed up because I thought either Scenario 2 or 3 would be interesting to play, and between the two, I liked Scenario 2 more because of the survival aspect So I chose Upstairs to give Scenario 2 better odds of being picked
Verdance he/him Posted April 20 Posted April 20 Erm i will try to participate but am very busy with school and graduation coming up soon so forgive low effort decisions and observations 1
Mystic He/Him Posted April 20 Posted April 20 10 hours ago, Doc12 said: I also chose upstairs for my exploration. As I didn't receive a role and am still a villager, it's for sure scenario 2 Jokes aside, I do think it would be interesting for everyone to share where they explored last night. Won't be of any help in scenario 1, where (14x20%=3) players are motivated to lie, but in scenario 2 and 3 there's only 1 person motivated to lie would lie. One of the actual concrete hints could be the butler's gift. If in the vote count tonight a player's vote counts twice, we know we're in either scenario 1 or 3. The other way is clue-searching. I'm not completely sure of the mechanics between searching the house for clues or items, but from what I understand we have a 65% chance of finding a relevant clue and a 10-70% chance of finding an item (70% for the shoe, 10% for a useful item) It seems like searching for clues for the first couple rounds would be the helpful to determine exactly what kind of situation we've found ourselves in, but not after that. ------------------------------- Verna gasped in delight. Placing her hand on the deck, she closed her eyes. Her slender fingers tapped the cards, before settling on one that called to her. She pulled it. A great crescent moon in the sky, a goddess watching, moon motes like possibilities drifting into the city below. "Art thou pale for weariness Of climbing Heaven, and gazing on the earth, Wandering companionless Among the stars that have a different birth,— And ever changing, like a joyless eye That finds no object worth its constancy?" Verna let out a happy sigh. "What a gift. Thank you, dearest." She lifted her veil, just slightly enough that Brax might catch a glimpse of a pale face and dark lips curved into a smile. "Now, you must name something I might give you in return." (Poem by Percy Bysshe Shelley) Brax slid the deck into his pocket, bowing as he did so. “That’s hardly necessary, the cards do the talking, not me” He smiled back, “Though… There’s an entire house here, filled with secrets and surprises. It’d be a shame to waste it.” “Verna, isn’t it? I don’t think I introduced myself, I’m called Brax, a magician of sorts”
Miss Fallen she/her Posted April 20 Posted April 20 2 hours ago, Mist. said: Yeah, but it’s all a numbers thing, regardless, with clues it’s numbers, with exploration it’s numbers. I actually think the gift is the best way to figure it out, whoever has the gift knows they do, and can watch their vote to see if they got anything(unless their Elim or Kandra or have the gun) Edit: I suppose I should clarify, the person with the gift should only claim that once they know for sure what the scenario is, if we haven’t figured it out by then(the NK could be helpful in figuring it out) until then do not claim it. Fair; we just try to figure out the scenario all the ways, combining our info, and only use gift as a last resort. I like this plan
Mystic He/Him Posted April 20 Posted April 20 Just now, Miss Fallen said: Fair; we just try to figure out the scenario all the ways, combining our info, and only use gift as a last resort. I like this plan Theoretically, if we got perfect search results, we could figure it out, but even that I’d say is sketchy, because I wouldn’t put it past the Elim team(either the actual team, Kandra, or person with the gun) to lie about finding a clue. But the percentages on the clues(from what I understand) plus the fact that it’s either searching or using a role ability, means we probably won’t get many clues quickly, and so it’s best to search when we can(there’s no downside if you don’t have a role) but it may not be the best thing to rely on. Oh, also, to clarify even more about the NK thing. From what I’m getting from the rules, the person with the gun has to NK someone or else they die, which isn’t true of the Kandra or normal Elim team, so that means if no one dies N1, we know it’s not scenario 2, if someone does, and they have a role, I think that means we’re not in scenario 3, because I believe all Kandra people are revealed as not having a role(I think). Feel free to correct me, but the NK could be very informative 1
StrikerEZ he/him Posted April 20 Posted April 20 Oh that’s a good point about the role thing. Roles do get revealed upon death right? We can theoretically rule out the Kandra if we see a role upon death. Because the only way to die at night in each scenario is by the elim(s)/gun. All that assumes we do get roles upon death though. I’m busy right now so can’t go check the rules.
Mystic He/Him Posted April 20 Posted April 20 2 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said: Oh that’s a good point about the role thing. Roles do get revealed upon death right? We can theoretically rule out the Kandra if we see a role upon death. Because the only way to die at night in each scenario is by the elim(s)/gun. All that assumes we do get roles upon death though. I’m busy right now so can’t go check the rules. So, I did go and check the rules, and I found this. Quote Each Night turn you can steal another player’s body (by attacking them) and discard your current one, which will be revealed as a dead Explorer in the writeup. And that makes me think that they’re revealed as having no role, especially when paired with this Quote Exploration roles of attacked players are not retained So I think that we can. @Araris Valerianmind checking me on that?
Araris Valerian he/him Posted April 20 Author Posted April 20 14 minutes ago, Mist. said: So, I did go and check the rules, and I found this. And that makes me think that they’re revealed as having no role, especially when paired with this So I think that we can. @Araris Valerianmind checking me on that? Yeah, rules as written, a body the Kandra discards would always flip as vanilla.
Mystic He/Him Posted April 20 Posted April 20 3 hours ago, Araris Valerian said: Yeah, rules as written, a body the Kandra discards would always flip as vanilla. Alright, that’s nice. We’ll have to keep it in mind when the NK results are in. I just remembered that we try not to vote new people(I’m pretty sure Striker is new, I haven’t played a game with you, so idk) VC: Mint(1): Striker Qian(1): Wahr Doc(1): Dive Fizz(1): ____ Wahr(1): Fizz Yeah, that’s not helpful either, yeah, we don’t have much. And I don’t think there’s anything mechanical that could help us right now. I guess I’ll add to the ties. Fallen cause why not, I wasn’t able to vote her last game. Updated VC: Mint(1): Striker Qian(1): Wahr Doc(1): Dive Fizz(1): ____ Wahr(1): Fizz Fallen(1): Mist
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