QF78: Hearts of Riches, Rhythms of Hatred [signups]

[Akimikoisthecutest]

Anyways to get back on track, @ThatOneWorldhopper, explain yourself. You still haven't said anything on the matter of Jo's accusation. 

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

I haven't played mafia and that thread didn't really explain the rules, or I just didn't read the part that did. Or didn't understand them.

I might've accidentally been part of a game like mafia?

Is it kinda like Among Us? -ish?

Or like people guess who's-who?

If ur sayin' what i think ur sayin', this is pretty much what happened last time. That was hilarious. Abd somewhat frustrating.

Or ur just jokin'.

Usseewa, glad you’re expressing interest, but we should really not clutter this thread up too much

If you have questions, I suggest taking them to the Welcome thread or some other pinned thread

[Qianweilian He/him]

 

18 minutes ago, Usseewa said:

I haven't played mafia and that thread didn't really explain the rules, or I just didn't read the part that did. Or didn't understand them.

I might've accidentally been part of a game like mafia?

Is it kinda like Among Us? -ish?

Or like people guess who's-who?

Here's the basics of regular Mafia. (Obviously the rules vary)

 

I don’t really know who seems the most suspicious (it’s kinda hard on the first day). For now, I’ll go with Wahrheitswächter, but I might change later.

[Myst He/Him]

1 hour ago, Doc12 said:

Nienna hummed to Confusion. She had accused young Kiri, but it was true that of those that had piled on Yakat, Dahran had also acted opportunistically and tried to justify their vote in a way that Kiri had not. 

Currently she found her attention drawn towards Marne, who's reaction to O seems very defensive - they were happy to pile onto Kiri, and when challenged instead of arguing with anyone present chose to accuse one not yet arrived. And yet they are also so young..."

Current thoughts (incomplete because i have to leave soon)

Archer is acting pretty chaotic but has actually been giving reasoning for some of their vote switches. I don't believe their shardbearer claim but am interested to see the results. 

Mistfallen gave some reads which I appreciate. @Mistfallen Soldier does your analysis change the poke vote you dropped?

TJ gave some thoughts on the SK and warned people about conversions, which to me means nothing yet. 

TheUnknownM is interacting but not giving analysis or votes, so I'm inclined to vote them just because  

Coco, Mippo, Honor's Ghost and Wahr are relatively new players that have thrown out random poke votes. As stated, I was looking closely at Coco and Mippo due to the Drake train, but that early in the cycle it could still be nonindicative. I am actually more interested in Wahrheitswächter. I want to cut you some slack as you're a new player, but you jumped on the Coco train, then I found your switch to Stick very sudden. As Archer just pointed out, you seemed to switch from poke voting loud people to poke voting quiet people. in PMs, you told me you just wanted to change your vote literally to get Archer off you, but then you picked a random person instead of actually trying to find any reasoning to vote anyone. So that's where my vote is for the moment. 

Current count

Drake: (3) Honor's Ghost, Archer3, Mippo2, Coco

Wahr: (2) Archer5, Doc

TOW: (2) Jo, Penguin

Stick: (1) Wahr

Penguin: (1) Mistfallen

Coco Pudding: (0) Doc1, Archer4, Wahr1

Mippo: (0) Archer1

Honors Ghost (0) Archer2

Akimiko: (0) Mippo1

It did, and then I forgot to. I was going to Vote Coco, but not anymore since I went to sleep.

10 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

 

Here's the basics of regular Mafia. (Obviously the rules vary)

 

I don’t really know who seems the most suspicious (it’s kinda hard on the first day). For now, I’ll go with Wahrheitswächter, but I might change later.

So, Qianweilian, I know he just got here, but he basically just jumped on the Wahr train and said, “I’ll change it later” which he may, but still, jumping on a train because you don’t know who to vote is very sketchy.

[Qianweilian He/him]

6 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

I know he just got here, but he basically just jumped on the Wahr train and said, “I’ll change it later” which he may, but still, jumping on a train because you don’t know who to vote is very sketchy.

Am I required to vote? I read through all the posts and I agree that Wahr sounds the most off. There’s no evidence right now really. It probably is a fair bit suspicious, I’ll admit that, but Wahr is suspiciously flipping his vote from Coco, another train, to Stick. The “I might change it later” is mostly for people to realize I’m open to changing if someone seems suspicious or someone else convinces me.

Edit: I’m also new to online Mafia, and am used to playing face to face.

Edited February 1 by Qianweilian

[Myst He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

Am I required to vote? I read through all the posts and I agree that Wahr sounds the most off. There’s no evidence right now really. It probably is a fair bit suspicious, I’ll admit that, but Wahr is suspiciously flipping his vote from Coco, another train, to Stick. The “I might change it later” is mostly for people to realize I’m open to changing if someone seems suspicious or someone else convinces me.

Edit: I’m also new to online Mafia, and am used to playing face to face.

You do not have to vote, but generally it is advised. I get what the “I might change it later” was supposed to be for, but when you added that to voting on a train I didn’t like it. 

[Qianweilian He/him]

Just now, Mistfallen Soldier said:

You do not have to vote, but generally it is advised. I get what the “I might change it later” was supposed to be for, but when you added that to voting on a train I didn’t like it. 

Eh. Fair enough.

[coco.pudding she/they]

I agree that Wahr suddenly changing their vote and reasoning is a little odd, so I am going to switch to them. Voting for a random person who (at that point) hadn’t even spoken yet seems like an odd choice. Could also very easily be a rookie mistake though. 
Drake has made some good points and I’m inclined to trust them for now at least. 

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

Jojala attuned anxiety. "I would really rather we did not remove someone so young this early, especially as no one is defending them. This feel more like an easy way for the Regals to hide rather than a legitimate mistake by an inexperienced Regal. I do not believe that anything Marne has done is suspicious in the context of who they are."

[Qianweilian He/him]

Then who would you vote for? I would consider Wahreitswächter to be the most suspect as of now.

[___ He/Him]

5 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

Jojala attuned anxiety. "I would really rather we did not remove someone so young this early, especially as no one is defending them. This feel more like an easy way for the Regals to hide rather than a legitimate mistake by an inexperienced Regal. I do not believe that anything Marne has done is suspicious in the context of who they are."

My only hesitation for voting wahr is that he is acting the way I have and normally do when fingers are being pointed at me and I'm not elim

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

10 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Analysis time:(if anyone has problems with the shortened names tell me)

Wahr: poke vote on coco, however, coco has already had a few votes, and so unless Wahr didnt know that, this seems odd for a poke vote. E!lean

Jo: seems to communicate via Rp, which isn’t bad, it’s just easy to hide things. Based on stuff from PMs, I’m getting the impression of V!lean, but because of the Rp I really don’t want to. I’ll still go with V for now.

TJ: hasn’t posted yet(as of time of writing this particular part) so waiting on that. 

Akimiko: one post so far, basically saying they didn’t know how to defend themself. Which seems odd, but I’m not sure what I make of it yet. Neutral lean.

Honors Ghost: said she was waiting for more info before deciding anything, but then didn’t give any. Later said she was like voting Drake, which defeats the purpose, but still is weird based on that a train later formed on him.

 Mippo: decides to vote Drake for fun it seems, and seems to just be reacting so far. Slight E!lean

Stick: hasn’t posted yet, still waiting

Worldhopper: hasn’t posted, still waiting 

Penguin: anounces a poke vote on Unknown I think, which defeats the purpose, but I’ll need to make more before making a judgement.

Doc: has some analysis, was joking in PMs, and seems very proactive, but that’s how he played Elim in my first game, so slight V!lean

Unknown: jumped in to cite Drake, and then update his citation. There’s not much to go on here. 

Coco: so hopped on the Drake train, and then was surprised why people were voting her for it. And then said that they were going to change vote later. Could be an elim slip up and recover. Slight E!lean(I think I got your pronouns right, tell me if not though, I wasn’t sure about the “her” or if I should’ve used “they”)

Qian: hasn’t posted yet.

Archer: offers to vote match Honor, then asks Mippo to join the Drake train with him (After Honor voted him) this gives me Spren vibes for Honor. 

Drake: made some Rp, later said Mippo wasn’t village, but Coco was, with only later giving reasoning. Was very accommodating in PMs, so V!lean for now.

Do have a number of Elims for this? I know general amount is about a quarter of the people as Elims, so 4, but the Shardbearer would probably(?) take up a slot, so 3 Elims? It would depend on the Distro for the exact number, but for now 3 Elims, 1 Shardbearer, and at least 1 Spren makes sense.

Mistfallen can join the village bin for now. Effortful analysis != good but y'know it kinda does help.

Re: elim count. We have 16 players but I'd discount third parties from the mix, so I'd guess it's more like 14 players who are either village or elim. Also, they likely have 1 or more converts up their sleeve, which could justify a smaller starting elim team. I would personally expect 2 or 3 elims, with a 2-elim starting team having more conversion charges than a 3-elim team.

I guess, theoretically, 1 elim with a generous number of converts could work, but I would be reluctant to do that as a GM since it could end the game on Day 1 if we got lucky with the votes.

It's kind of a moot point because conversions are a thing, the starting number doesn't matter quite as much. Guessing it is just a habit I guess. (edit: though, I might as well go on a limb here and guess that # starting elims + # conversion charges = about 4. It's what I would probably do, at least.) 

Don't mind me, just reading through the last couple pages.

Edited February 1 by DrakeMarshall

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

11 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

Jojala attuned anxiety. "I would really rather we did not remove someone so young this early, especially as no one is defending them. This feel more like an easy way for the Regals to hide rather than a legitimate mistake by an inexperienced Regal. I do not believe that anything Marne has done is suspicious in the context of who they are."

I would like to back up Jo a little and remind the general public that exeing a newbie C1 tends to be considered bad manners

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

5 minutes ago, Qianweilian said:

Then who would you vote for? I would consider Wahreitswächter to be the most suspect as of now.

She pointed at Jojoja @ThatOneWorldhopper. "That Singer has had opportunity to contribute, had pressure put on them, heard the discussion happening, and done nothing about it, as if completely certain that they would be saved if the crowd turns against them. Marne meanwhile is merely defensive after being accused, meaning they do think they could be killed. Jojoja feels far more like a Regal than Marne."

[___ He/Him]

@|TJ|what are your thoughts on things?

[Myst He/Him]

11 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

Mistfallen can join the village bin for now. Effortful analysis != good but y'know it kinda does help.

You sure about that? I have a record of deepwolfing, and Doc certainly bought it then

Spoiler

Jk : )

 

7 minutes ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

She pointed at Jojoja @ThatOneWorldhopper. "That Singer has had opportunity to contribute, had pressure put on them, heard the discussion happening, and done nothing about it, as if completely certain that they would be saved if the crowd turns against them. Marne meanwhile is merely defensive after being accused, meaning they do think they could be killed. Jojoja feels far more like a Regal than Marne."

I actually haven’t noticed him lurking. So I’m not sure if this is founded or not

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

7 hours ago, |TJ| said:

We also need to ask the GMs if they would allow joint victories.

win condition gerrymandering is the root of all kinds of evil 

5 hours ago, Archer said:

I've decided Coco is village based on a PM interaction, so everybody change your votes

25 minutes ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

You sure about that? I have a record of deepwolfing, and Doc certainly bought it then

Yes. get into the bin

4 hours ago, Wahrheitswächter said:

Marne was quite angry, as one of the singers appeared at his door, demanding that He changed his vote and acused him of working with the Regals. He was not working with the Regals, he wanted to spend the Rest of his Singer life in peace, but if that insolent Singer insistet that his First Guess was wrong he would change his Vote so that he would stop bothering him Coco there were a few people who have keept quiet so far maybe in fear of saying something wrong? Stick

(Happy now Archer? I am not Elim so please change your Vote)

squints

my condolences, but you're going in the sus bin for that

I am so sorry

citation:

Spoiler

Marshall, Drake. "This Was Once Revealed to Me in a Dream." Subconscious, dir. Drake's Brain, circa last Tuesday, 2:47 a.m. The Dream Realm, accessed Feb. 1, 2026.

 

edit:

3 hours ago, Stick. said:

hey guys what’s up

 

remember, do not claim in PMs to anybody this early but me and definitely do not claim to people like archer and drake 

hey!

I'm fairly sure I've never done anyone dirty for claiming to me

...at least, not if the claim was truthful

edit: this automerge thing is nice and all but I never quite know when it's going to cut off and stop working

Edited February 1 by DrakeMarshall
appending double post

[Hoid Slayer He/Him]

6 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

hey!

I'm fairly sure I've never done anyone dirty for claiming to me

...at least, not if the claim was truthful

edit: this automerge thing is nice and all but I never quite know when it's going to cut off and stop working

I believe the automerge margin is 15 minutes

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

2 hours ago, A Jo in the Bush said:

Unrelated to O, Jojala couldn't help but notice how unconcerned Jojoja was with having two votes on them. Almost as if they didn't feel any pressure to defend themself. She had originally voted on him more as a whimsical joke than anything else, but now felt more willing to end the Singer's life. 

...I hope I'm not the only one who thought this looked like a very confusing self-vote at first 

[Honors Spectral Image She/her]

1 minute ago, DrakeMarshall said:

...I hope I'm not the only one who thought this looked like a very confusing self-vote at first 

Your not I thought that too

[Qianweilian He/him]

Me as well.

[Jo and the Bush all/any]

21 minutes ago, DrakeMarshall said:

...I hope I'm not the only one who thought this looked like a very confusing self-vote at first 

Jojala attuned Scorn. “Yet another good reason to get rid of that mocking Singer.”

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Okay so a few others also spoke up about Wahrheitswächter's post.

Honestly I'd prefer not to execute them for a single post, but glad it's getting talked about I suppose.

I'm not sure I agree with Jo's particular line of thought here for TOW but I guess it depends on what playstyle of elim we're matched against

Yeah idk really how to do day ones

[|TJ| he/him]

11 hours ago, Mistfallen Soldier said:

Analysis time:(if anyone has problems with the shortened names tell me)

Wahr: poke vote on coco, however, coco has already had a few votes, and so unless Wahr didnt know that, this seems odd for a poke vote. E!lean

Jo: seems to communicate via Rp, which isn’t bad, it’s just easy to hide things. Based on stuff from PMs, I’m getting the impression of V!lean, but because of the Rp I really don’t want to. I’ll still go with V for now.

TJ: hasn’t posted yet(as of time of writing this particular part) so waiting on that. 

Akimiko: one post so far, basically saying they didn’t know how to defend themself. Which seems odd, but I’m not sure what I make of it yet. Neutral lean.

Honors Ghost: said she was waiting for more info before deciding anything, but then didn’t give any. Later said she was like voting Drake, which defeats the purpose, but still is weird based on that a train later formed on him.

 Mippo: decides to vote Drake for fun it seems, and seems to just be reacting so far. Slight E!lean

Stick: hasn’t posted yet, still waiting

Worldhopper: hasn’t posted, still waiting 

Penguin: anounces a poke vote on Unknown I think, which defeats the purpose, but I’ll need to make more before making a judgement.

Doc: has some analysis, was joking in PMs, and seems very proactive, but that’s how he played Elim in my first game, so slight V!lean

Unknown: jumped in to cite Drake, and then update his citation. There’s not much to go on here. 

Coco: so hopped on the Drake train, and then was surprised why people were voting her for it. And then said that they were going to change vote later. Could be an elim slip up and recover. Slight E!lean(I think I got your pronouns right, tell me if not though, I wasn’t sure about the “her” or if I should’ve used “they”)

Qian: hasn’t posted yet.

Archer: offers to vote match Honor, then asks Mippo to join the Drake train with him (After Honor voted him) this gives me Spren vibes for Honor. 

Drake: made some Rp, later said Mippo wasn’t village, but Coco was, with only later giving reasoning. Was very accommodating in PMs, so V!lean for now.

Do have a number of Elims for this? I know general amount is about a quarter of the people as Elims, so 4, but the Shardbearer would probably(?) take up a slot, so 3 Elims? It would depend on the Distro for the exact number, but for now 3 Elims, 1 Shardbearer, and at least 1 Spren makes sense.

I keep coming back to this post from Mistfallen Soldier. Posting a reads list of every player in the game 2 pages into it reads like 'wanting to be seen as village' to me.

Also, we used to have a meta of allowing new players some room to breathe and letting them get into the game a bit, which is why I am not interested in a Wahr execution, at least not in C1. Same for Qian. 

[Through the Living Hopper He/Him]

2 hours ago, Akimikoisthecutest said:

Anyways to get back on track, @ThatOneWorldhopper, explain yourself. You still haven't said anything on the matter of Jo's accusation. 

Ah, I have a simple explanation. I didn't realize I had two votes on me. Also, it's D1, so I'm not stressing too much about it.

Honestly, my first vote was a joke, but it seems like Akimo is kind of pushing me for some reason. Early e!read.