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I'm actually inclined to believe that they have no Smokers, else why would they donate 'em to us if they could just cover themselves? Of course, it could just be to throw us off, but it feels like a waste. Of course, if they have Smokers, if means the v!Soother plan doesn't work.

4 minutes ago, Divergent said:

Well, I don't think there are four elims since it wouldn't be mechanically possible for the game to still be continuing today if there were, but I suppose the same reasoning applies with 3 elims.

I see

And it's correct right only Day 1 and Day 2 have had votes altered? Is there any information on who caused that? I think D1 could have been influenced by Hoid, but since Hoid died N1, it's someone else that affected D2

We have a chance even if there are 4 elims, if there's a village Soother and the elims don't have Smokers, as well as if we have a Mistborn with pewter or something, who could draw steel in the future. I am unsure if a Thug alone is enough to mean we have a chance...

It was the Soother D2. Or a Mistborn, I guess. 

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@Ookla the Broken, @Divergent, @Honors Ghost, @Stick., turn on your copper! It's the only way the v!Soother plan can work

I really feel like a Wallfacer now 😂

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2 minutes ago, Ookla the Wallfacer said:

I'm actually inclined to believe that they have no Smokers, else why would they donate 'em to us if they could just cover themselves? Of course, it could just be to throw us off, but it feels like a waste. Of course, if they have Smokers, if means the v!Soother plan doesn't work.

We have a chance even if there are 4 elims, if there's a village Soother and the elims don't have Smokers, as well as if we have a Mistborn with pewter or something, who could draw steel in the future. I am unsure if a Thug alone is enough to mean we have a chance...

It was the Soother D2. Or a Mistborn, I guess. 

Majority of claimed people are Smokers, so do you think the elims lied and said they're Smokers when they're not?
 

I think the village Soother idea doesn't really work because why would they kill the claimed Tineye when they could shoot someone else who would be the candidate for the Soother

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1 minute ago, Divergent said:

Majority of claimed people are Smokers, so do you think the elims lied and said they're Smokers when they're not?
 

I think the village Soother idea doesn't really work because why would they kill the claimed Tineye when they could shoot someone else who would be the candidate for the Soother

Yes, or at least some of them

Good point... maybe they didn't want to risk hitting a Thug or thought we could coordinate something in PMs? I don't really know.

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1 minute ago, Ookla the Wallfacer said:

Yes, or at least some of them

Good point... maybe they didn't want to risk hitting a Thug or thought we could coordinate something in PMs? I don't really know.

I mean, we outnumber them(assuming there’s 3) we can literally just coordinate in here and they can’t really do anything about it 

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Also, why do you think the elims killed the people they did?

Appreciate the answers, I think there's some ideas forming in my mind, which I will hopefully be able to synthesize as the day progresses

Posted (edited)
9 minutes ago, Divergent said:

Also, why do you think the elims killed the people they did?

Appreciate the answers, I think there's some ideas forming in my mind, which I will hopefully be able to synthesize as the day progresses

Well, with the coinshot, it’s obvious, Tineye to keep us out of PMs, though idk why. Exp, idk. Hoid slayer, maybe they found out he was a rioter and just went to remove the power roles? I’m honestly not sure

Edit: I just remembered, day 1, Exp kept saying he was not a smoker, but wouldn’t say what role he was, it’s probably because of that for him

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8 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Well, with the coinshot, it’s obvious, Tineye to keep us out of PMs, though idk why. Exp, idk. Hoid slayer, maybe they found out he was a rioter and just went to remove the power roles? I’m honestly not sure

Edit: I just remembered, day 1, Exp kept saying he was not a smoker, but wouldn’t say what role he was, it’s probably because of that for him

Hmmm, taking into account what you said about Exp, we can see a pattern that they have been actively killing non-Smokers and Exp happened to die because they thought he was a non-Smoker. So I guess they might have went for a "hide trees inside a forest" plan with 2/3 of them being Smokers

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7 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

I mean, we outnumber them(assuming there’s 3) we can literally just coordinate in here and they can’t really do anything about it 

There might be 4.

@DrakeMarshall are you allowed to say if there are any possible world where there are four elims?

3 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Well, with the coinshot, it’s obvious, Tineye to keep us out of PMs, though idk why. Exp, idk. Hoid slayer, maybe they found out he was a rioter and just went to remove the power roles? I’m honestly not sure

Hoid Slayer is a pretty common elim target, especially early on, since he's kind of just good at solving.

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Also, I'd like to ask, @Ookla the Broken what made you switch to Doc last minute? I remember last day your main townread was Doc and I'm aware TUO claimed Thug, but that didn't necessarily mean his claim was real or that being the real Thug would mean he's village, so I'd like to know what your thought process was and what your intentions were with that vote

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1 minute ago, Divergent said:

Also, I'd like to ask, @Ookla the Broken what made you switch to Doc last minute? I remember last day your main townread was Doc and I'm aware TUO claimed Thug, but that didn't necessarily mean his claim was real or that being the real Thug would mean he's village, so I'd like to know what your thought process was and what your intentions were with that vote

Basically, I wasn’t thinking. I didn’t think that TUO was lying, and I thought it was LyLo. And if TUO was a thug, and we hit him, not only did we not learn anything, we let the Elims basically get a free kill, and we lose something that may have been saving us. I can’t tell you my exact thought process because it happened so fast, but I just did what I thought was the right move in that movement 

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unfortunately I don’t think we can turn on our copper clouds during the day so the e!soother will just have to guess who is smoked and who isn’t 

 

and who knows……maybe I lied about having my coppercloud on :ph34r:

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3 minutes ago, Ookla the Broken said:

Basically, I wasn’t thinking. I didn’t think that TUO was lying, and I thought it was LyLo. And if TUO was a thug, and we hit him, not only did we not learn anything, we let the Elims basically get a free kill, and we lose something that may have been saving us. I can’t tell you my exact thought process because it happened so fast, but I just did what I thought was the right move in that movement 

So were you banking on the possibility then that Doc was actually an elim? because if it actually were LyLo, the game would have end right there and then

Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Stick. said:

unfortunately I don’t think we can turn on our copper clouds during the day so the e!soother will just have to guess who is smoked and who isn’t 

 

and who knows……maybe I lied about having my coppercloud on :ph34r:

We can turn 'em on

These are slightly different rules from normal Tyrean

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SMOKER: The Smoker is undetectable and they can extend this power to one other person. If scanned by a Seeker, the smoker or the person encompassed within their coppercloud will show up as being Smoked. Additionally, the Smoker and their target are unaffected by emotional Allomancy. A Soother or Rioter cannot change their vote. Smoking can be initiated on either a Day or Night turn, but it lasts a full cycle, and you can only smoke again once it is finished.

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As in, if someone turned it on during the night 4 (which is what I assume most of us have been doing) then we can’t change it today since it can only be changed after a whole cycle 

Posted
1 minute ago, Stick. said:

As in, if someone turned it on during the night 4 (which is what I assume most of us have been doing) then we can’t change it today since it can only be changed after a whole cycle 

I turned it on in the Day, since there was no reason to do it in the Night.

I didn't want my vote to be Soothed.

Posted
Just now, Divergent said:

Who did y'all extend your smoking powers to so far? 

up until night 3, no one

no comment on night 4 

Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, Stick. said:

ive been turning it on every night since n2 (or have I??? Keep guessing soother)

Oof

Well who have you got Smoked?

Ninja'd

1 minute ago, Stick. said:

up until night 3, no one

no comment on night 4 

It's the endgame

There's no reason to hold back that I can think of

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5 minutes ago, Ookla the Wallfacer said:

Oof

Well who have you got Smoked?

Ninja'd

It's the endgame

There's no reason to hold back that I can think of

The idea is, I don’t want the e soother to know who they can target, I don’t think it’s smart to reveal who is currently smoked (tho revealing past targets is fine). If they know who isn’t protected they’ll just win by soothing them and piling on one villager. 

 

also, just to clarify did u explicitly turn it on d1? 

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13 minutes ago, Stick. said:

The idea is, I don’t want the e soother to know who they can target, I don’t think it’s smart to reveal who is currently smoked (tho revealing past targets is fine). If they know who isn’t protected they’ll just win by soothing them and piling on one villager. 

 

also, just to clarify did u explicitly turn it on d1? 

But we have enough Smokers to cover everyone

I did not; I first turned it on Day 3

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gosh I rly wish we had PMs open rn lol

 

but ok, im hoping the rest of us didn’t turn it on night 4 and we’re able to coordinate targets now 

 

I smoked mippo cuz almost everyone else is able to self-smoke lol and I don’t rly trust alv. i also thought that if the elims rly stole the soother then they would prioritise killing a smoker overnight over the tineye, just to decrease the pool of smoked voters. not rly sure what the strat is 

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