Quick Fix 76: Judgement on the Shores of the Purelake

[TwinStorm He/Him]

Just now, Askthepizzaguy said:

Mass confusion is already here, if the wolves aren't dead on obvious. So it's not needed in many of the possible worlds.

 

I was thinking abt yesterday's total chaos, and I find it highly unlikely an elim was not among the last minute voters, since that was the de facto beginning of total confusion.

1 minute ago, Doc12 said:

Hey they could try and kill me since you just called me de-facto town leader, you're not that special  

Do kind of agree with CD being TWTBW (Too weak to be worthwhile, for anyone else who had to look that up) I am just curious if there was any other reason we shouldn't exe them or just leave it a tie again with Hoid slayer/CD

 

oh I was referring to TWTBW as Too Wolfy To Be Wolf

[Aeternum]

25 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Honestly, I tried to parse what IcedoutPenguin was saying in their post and came out confused - as I said, they started out with one assumption, invalidated said assumption in one of their scnearios, and then ended up voting for a third party not related to any of their original assumed suspects. That confuses me. And it confuses me that Ksauce, CD, and Twinstorm apparently do understand the reasoning. I honestly don't feel good voting for Hoid Slayer in this situation. 

Good to know I'm not the only one confused.

25 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Who are you voting for this cycle?

Leaning towards CD atm.

1 minute ago, Doc12 said:

TWTBW (Too weak to be worthwhile

That's a new one, I'm used to "too wolfy to be a wolf"

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

The gimmick with having a wide tie between lots of folks at 1 vote and a few people at 2 votes, while not an intended strategy by me, I kept not breaking the tie yesterday because it would be good for game state info.

However, that ceases to be particularly useful; the information was already gained yesterday, whatever use it may be, as to what happens when those candidates are tied or under pressure.

So I would recommend not tying the round today and making a decisive vote on the person you think is most likely to be a wolf, not someone you think is a townie struggling or a wolfy townie. 

Is my feedback on that, doc.

Edited August 8, 2025 by Askthepizzaguy
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[TwinStorm He/Him]

3 minutes ago, Askthepizzaguy said:

The gimmick with having a wide tie between lots of folks at 1 vote and a few people at 2 votes, while not an intended strategy by me, I kept not breaking the tie yesterday because it would be good for game state info.

However, that ceases to be particularly useful; the information was already gained yesterday, whatever use it may be, as to what happens when those candidates are tied or under pressure.

So I would recommend not tying the round today and making a decisive vote on the person you think is most likely to be a wolf, not someone you think is a townie struggling or a wolfy townie. 

Is my feedback on that, doc.

With this in mind, CD Hoid Slayer

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

45 minutes ago, Askthepizzaguy said:

CD, I know that sounds hostile and or adversarial, but my advice is to distance yourself from it personally.

Just walk Aeternum through your logic, in a calm, detailed manner.

If your point of view comes from an innocent telling the truth, you just explaining it fully helps everyone get there.

I know a lot of players, even experienced ones, get put off or feel defensive or under attack when theyre asked questions like that.

Don't think of it that way. I been playin' 17 years. This is your opportunity to take the witness stand and absolutely nail your testimony and show your perspective.

You actually want other townies to react to you in this way, and ask you questions.

That's how they find you if you're innocent. Don't be shy, make a whole wall explaining your POV.

Knock it out of the park.

ok

53 minutes ago, Aeternum said:

Cool.

Now explain why Iced's worldview there a) makes any sense in the first place, and b) is correct and worth following.

38 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

I still don't like CD's analysis or reads, though I will only vote for you if you don't prove yourself innocent. @CoderDrag0n8

35 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

It's been a quiet cycle. I'm worried that there's not been much defense of Hoid Slayer by anyone. It feels like last game, where Aeoryi, a villager, soothed her own vote on a tie situation, and then for the next cycle everyone focused on the wrong person while the elims sat back.

Honestly, I tried to parse what IcedoutPenguin was saying in their post and came out confused - as I said, they started out with one assumption, invalidated said assumption in one of their scnearios, and then ended up voting for a third party not related to any of their original assumed suspects. That confuses me. And it confuses me that Ksauce, CD, and Twinstorm apparently do understand the reasoning. I honestly don't feel good voting for Hoid Slayer in this situation. 

Recapping my current reads for clarity and reflection

Current Reads, positive to negative.

Also, Greeblas, Javert respects that you assume everyone starts out innocent until proven otherwise. But as a former lawman, Javert assumes guilt first and makes people prove their innocence or helpfulness. 

Pizzaguy/Greebas - Strongest town read so far. If they're elim, they're really shooting their team in the foot by trying to encourage discussion. Who are you voting for this cycle? 

@Aeternum: Been a lot more active this cycle. I might be stupid for this but I'm honestly leaning him village for now. His post about me being elim if Worldhopper was elim. His helpfulness this cycle. Who are you voting for this cycle?

@TwinStorm: Pretty active last cycle poking people. Posted once this cycle being skeptical of IcedPenguin's post. Net neutral. EDIT: Voted for CD which makes him more interesting

@KelsierApologist/Mehlarin: Seemed pro-discussion cycle 1. Has not posted this cycle. We miss you!

CoderDrag0n8: Seemed to be voting for the sake of voting. They're new. I get that. But I'd vote for them again just to see what happens. 

Hoid Slayer/Wishikk Makar: We all agree that that last minute jump was extremely weird. I'm still inclined to keep voting on you just to see how you flip, but as I said, I'm uneasy. Confused villager or panicked elim?

IcedoutPenguin: Confusion. I was suspicious early last cycle, but right now they just seem to be extremely confused. They were also surprised at the 2 kills, which could be an act, but genuinely seemed to not understand the rules. I am honestly leaning Village, just confused and lashing out. 

@KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren: Couple of posts. last post was saying Iced's post made some sense but still refraining from a solid conclusion. Honestly leaning negative until they convince me otherwise. Can we get a vote from you?

@Booknewt: New, a couple of posts. Made a post with reads on players, mostly reading everyone neutral. 50/50 shot here. Do you think you could update your reads list based on happenings this cycle?  

@StrikerEZ you coming? I'm honestly not concerned about Striker right now. As Aeternum says, there's an inactivity filter, and I think shooting someone who isn't contributing hurts us more if they're village as it just doesn't give us any new information. They have up to the end of this cycle to post before they get replaced. 

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Hoid Slayer CoderDrag0n8 Let's debate this people! 

honestly i have kind of fumbled this (as an innocent or elim, this would be a pretty bad game)

15 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

Alright, read time

Pizzaguy/Greebas, I'm leaning town read rn since no elim would nearly as active/promoting as much discussion, tho as a vet of mafia, he's worth keeping an eye on.

Doc12 is another v/lean as he is actively encouraging discussion and posting vote counts, when elims want fog of war and mass confusion and chaos.

Aeternum is honestly a neutral for me, slight v/lean but haven't looked enough into his posts to make anything beyond a gut feeling.

KSauce is fairly neutral, not standing out in any particular way, which could be an undercover elim, or just a moderate villager. No real leaning.

Polly has disappeared, which is unfortunate, as I enjoy playing with her. Come back soon, Polly. Village rn, but need to see more from her.

Striker come to us please, buddy. Every villager counts.

Hoid Slayer is looking like an elim rn, for his weird vote changing things up rn, but for the sake of info/discussion I'm keeping my vote on Coder.

IcedOutPenguin is giving me a neutral/elim lean, with me not liking some of his reads/posts. Again, I need to do more analysis of his posts.

Coder is honestly coming out as a TWTBW to me, but I really don't know, and for safety purposes/sake of discussion I'll keep my vote on you.

Booknewt is giving me village appeal, with some solid early reads and votes.

Other people/people I forgot: Neutral, leaning elim. Sorry folks, just can't trust nobody till they prove themselves to me.

You really think you're going to die?

I have been watching Traitors (mafia on steriods) and I know that when you have suspicion, you can't shake it. It will always be there.

8 minutes ago, Doc12 said:

Hey they could try and kill me since you just called me de-facto town leader, you're not that special  

Do kind of agree with CD being TWTBW (Too weak to be worthwhile, for anyone else who had to look that up) I am just curious if there was any other reason we shouldn't exe them or just leave it a tie again with Hoid slayer/CD

 

Honestly, I think I do too.

I still don't fully understand how to do this

8 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

I was thinking abt yesterday's total chaos, and I find it highly unlikely an elim was not among the last minute voters, since that was the de facto beginning of total confusion.

oh I was referring to TWTBW as Too Wolfy To Be Wolf

oh

good ig?

2 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

With this in mind, CD Hoid Slayer

yay?

[TwinStorm He/Him]

1 minute ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

ok

honestly i have kind of fumbled this (as an innocent or elim, this would be a pretty bad game)

I have been watching Traitors (mafia on steriods) and I know that when you have suspicion, you can't shake it. It will always be there.

Honestly, I think I do too.

I still don't fully understand how to do this

oh

good ig?

yay?

yeah good for you

if you are elim then I think you'll be dead pretty soon

depending whether if you slip again

no offense intended

[Aeternum]

CD

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

2 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

yeah good for you

if you are elim then I think you'll be dead pretty soon

depending whether if you slip again

no offense intended

yeah, honestly, im prob gonna be exed

the elims must be loving this, huh?

im in the final stage of grief

goodbye SE.

it was nice.

while i was here, at least.

1 minute ago, Aeternum said:

CD

ok thats fair

[TwinStorm He/Him]

2 minutes ago, CoderDrag0n8 said:

yeah, honestly, im prob gonna be exed

the elims must be loving this, huh?

im in the final stage of grief

goodbye SE.

it was nice.

while i was here, at least.

ok thats fair

come back next game at least

it can only get better from here

to quote the Wheel of Time, "If you must mount the gallows, give a jest to the crowd, a coin the hangman, and make the drop with a smile on your lips."

Edited August 8, 2025 by TwinStorm
Edited for Inspiration

[Doc12]

This feels too storming simple. 

15 minutes ago, Askthepizzaguy said:

So I would recommend not tying the round today and making a decisive vote on the person you think is most likely to be a wolf, not someone you think is a townie struggling or a wolfy townie. 

The thing that worries me the most is the absolute lack of defense that CD or Hoid Slayer are receiving. And maybe that's just the lack of people talking, but it shouldn't be this simple, right? 

[Aeternum]

You know there's still several hours left in day, yeah?

My vote is subject to change if you actually respond to what I asked.

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Hello. I am alive. Barely. I honestly completely forgot about this game. Been working like crazy and have lots of schoolwork this week. I completely didn't realize that this is my last week of the semester, oops. 

Anyway, I haven't touched D1 at all, but I've read all of D2 so far. Hoid Slayer and Iced are absolutely elims together. Doc, Greebas, and Aeternum are confirmed town in my opinion. CD could be elim, maybe just confused first time villager. Honestly probably more likely to be confused first time villager. Not sure who the third elim would be. Lots of other low-posters out there.

My tie-loving heart is sad that the tie has already been thoroughly crushed (I think), so I'm going to vote for Hoid Slayer to insure someone I suspect to be elim is exed. I probably won't be around much after this before rollover, but I'll try to pop back in at least once.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

Just now, StrikerEZ said:

Hello. I am alive. Barely. I honestly completely forgot about this game. Been working like crazy and have lots of schoolwork this week. I completely didn't realize that this is my last week of the semester, oops. 

Anyway, I haven't touched D1 at all, but I've read all of D2 so far. Hoid Slayer and Iced are absolutely elims together. Doc, Greebas, and Aeternum are confirmed town in my opinion. CD could be elim, maybe just confused first time villager. Honestly probably more likely to be confused first time villager. Not sure who the third elim would be. Lots of other low-posters out there.

My tie-loving heart is sad that the tie has already been thoroughly crushed (I think), so I'm going to vote for Hoid Slayer to insure someone I suspect to be elim is exed. I probably won't be around much after this before rollover, but I'll try to pop back in at least once.

STRIKER!

YAY  

[StrikerEZ he/him]

Just now, TwinStorm said:

STRIKER!

YAY  

Hello! Sorry I wasn't around until now. I promise to be around at least more than I have been so far lmao.

Also anyone got a VC?

[Aeternum]

Hi Striker

3 minutes ago, StrikerEZ said:

Hoid Slayer and Iced are absolutely elims together.

Last I checked, Iced was really trying to get Hoid Slayer killed so yk. Although I can understand where this is coming from.

Edited August 8, 2025 by Aeternum
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[Askthepizzagal He/him]

@Doc12

This is the thought dump Ive been working on.

 

Spoiler

So here is the problem with following a town read-

I don't have any special insight into the answers, myself. Often times deep trust someone is town goes hand in hand with trusting their reads.

It doesn't always work that way. Sometimes I can think, like yesterday, that Hoid is town, and then just disagree with his process and his vote, right.

I can look at Penguin and think his day today doesn't make tons and tons of sense from a wolf, and also think his process up to this point and his vote for me, wasn't right. You know?

And it's a fallacy to go, okay, well I am town and I've got experience, my reads must be better.

I like Aeternum for town, that didn't make his vote yesterday any good, he could be wrong again today.

I can enter the fray and vote someone I think would help with the solve, because their flip could bust the game open if they're a wolf, have all the right intentions, and flip another town.

I can trust you and follow you, Doc, and that could very well be wrong two ways. You can just be a very experienced, skilled, masterful wolf who reads like a concerned townie, and that can be enough to blow right past me in a game where I don't know you and I don't know where to set the bar. And you can be in the same boat I am with wanting to vote for folks whose votes and processes don't make sense and if they're town, then they're town. Town ate itself if I did it, it can be town eating itself if you do it, or you can be in my blind spot.

It's not a 1:1 thing where a town read means they're also making good vote choices, nor is a town read always town.

 

So here are my current snapshot thoughts.

I think Striker EZ slot is town, just based on a read of the game state, even in worlds where wolves were, and weren't, under pressure yesterday. If they show up and start being super wolfy, ok, rescind.

That's a fancy guess, the same kind of fancy guess I made to differentiate the alignments of two inactive players in a game once, and it was right, due to how others were acting.

I don't require anyone to sheep my legacy on that, it's just my real thought.

Booknewt, I would press into more, but not today. I think she may need more flips, I think she is having real trouble sorting her very wide neutral list, I cannot towncore her, but I also don't have a reason to think she is a wolf after how she reacted so far. So call that neutral leaning positive, if you have cause to go there, fine.

I believe Aeternum is town. Why? Isn't that too easy? Yes. But I also think Aeternum wolf would be happy to silence me either way, via the vote yesterday or the murder. And I think his solving posts outside of that are good.

Is that clearing? No, but you need a wolf case that makes sense, imo.

I still think Kelsier reads town, despite their absence.

Starseeker and Kaladfin are on the borderline, but, I think if they can press a wolf to death, that's a decent sign. I just worry I miscleared here, because of the RP and coasting from starseeker. They aren't interacting very deeply.

@KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren

It's possible my memory is just faulty, I'm extremely tired, please don't take that as a shot at you if its a mischaracterization, I just cant remember anything youve done besides your very well done entry roleplay.

I also think the super easy world where like, hoid and cd and penguin are all wolves is... even more too simple a world to be likely very true. That's possible but their reactions to that and everything afterward felt all wrong for that world.

Don't they just continue resisting and dunking on me if so?

I don't know where to go, I'm more like, suggesting where not to go, and hoping I am correct about it.

That's the full thought dump.

And you, you can be town for destroying all the wolves and reconsidered when you havent done so, later, imo.

If that's fair.

1 minute ago, Doc12 said:

This feels too storming simple. 

The thing that worries me the most is the absolute lack of defense that CD or Hoid Slayer are receiving. And maybe that's just the lack of people talking, but it shouldn't be this simple, right? 

 Yeah, shouldn't be.

It should also be easy to just explain one's POV and process when you're innocent, but, it's not always the case.

Moving these quote boxes around is very difficult.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

2 minutes ago, Askthepizzaguy said:

@Doc12

This is the thought dump Ive been working on.

 

  Hide contents

So here is the problem with following a town read-

I don't have any special insight into the answers, myself. Often times deep trust someone is town goes hand in hand with trusting their reads.

It doesn't always work that way. Sometimes I can think, like yesterday, that Hoid is town, and then just disagree with his process and his vote, right.

I can look at Penguin and think his day today doesn't make tons and tons of sense from a wolf, and also think his process up to this point and his vote for me, wasn't right. You know?

And it's a fallacy to go, okay, well I am town and I've got experience, my reads must be better.

I like Aeternum for town, that didn't make his vote yesterday any good, he could be wrong again today.

I can enter the fray and vote someone I think would help with the solve, because their flip could bust the game open if they're a wolf, have all the right intentions, and flip another town.

I can trust you and follow you, Doc, and that could very well be wrong two ways. You can just be a very experienced, skilled, masterful wolf who reads like a concerned townie, and that can be enough to blow right past me in a game where I don't know you and I don't know where to set the bar. And you can be in the same boat I am with wanting to vote for folks whose votes and processes don't make sense and if they're town, then they're town. Town ate itself if I did it, it can be town eating itself if you do it, or you can be in my blind spot.

It's not a 1:1 thing where a town read means they're also making good vote choices, nor is a town read always town.

 

So here are my current snapshot thoughts.

I think Striker EZ slot is town, just based on a read of the game state, even in worlds where wolves were, and weren't, under pressure yesterday. If they show up and start being super wolfy, ok, rescind.

That's a fancy guess, the same kind of fancy guess I made to differentiate the alignments of two inactive players in a game once, and it was right, due to how others were acting.

I don't require anyone to sheep my legacy on that, it's just my real thought.

Booknewt, I would press into more, but not today. I think she may need more flips, I think she is having real trouble sorting her very wide neutral list, I cannot towncore her, but I also don't have a reason to think she is a wolf after how she reacted so far. So call that neutral leaning positive, if you have cause to go there, fine.

I believe Aeternum is town. Why? Isn't that too easy? Yes. But I also think Aeternum wolf would be happy to silence me either way, via the vote yesterday or the murder. And I think his solving posts outside of that are good.

Is that clearing? No, but you need a wolf case that makes sense, imo.

I still think Kelsier reads town, despite their absence.

Starseeker and Kaladfin are on the borderline, but, I think if they can press a wolf to death, that's a decent sign. I just worry I miscleared here, because of the RP and coasting from starseeker. They aren't interacting very deeply.

@KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren

It's possible my memory is just faulty, I'm extremely tired, please don't take that as a shot at you if its a mischaracterization, I just cant remember anything youve done besides your very well done entry roleplay.

I also think the super easy world where like, hoid and cd and penguin are all wolves is... even more too simple a world to be likely very true. That's possible but their reactions to that and everything afterward felt all wrong for that world.

Don't they just continue resisting and dunking on me if so?

I don't know where to go, I'm more like, suggesting where not to go, and hoping I am correct about it.

That's the full thought dump.

And you, you can be town for destroying all the wolves and reconsidered when you havent done so, later, imo.

If that's fair.

 Yeah, shouldn't be.

It should also be easy to just explain one's POV and process when you're innocent, but, it's not always the case.

Moving these quote boxes around is very difficult.

In my opinion only one (possible two) of <CD, Penguin, Hoid Slayer> are elim, doesn't seem realistic for every elim to have outed themselves. I'm hoping for the best, but preparing for the worst.

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

The fact that CD and Hoid Slayer aren't defending themselves makes me think it's not them

Hoid Slayer

Doc12

[TwinStorm He/Him]

1 minute ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

The fact that CD and Hoid Slayer aren't defending themselves makes me think it's not them

Hoid Slayer

Doc12

whoa okay

why?

pls explain

I don't see much suspicion of Doc being elim

but enlighten me

Edited August 8, 2025 by TwinStorm
clarity

[Doc12]

1 minute ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

The fact that CD and Hoid Slayer aren't defending themselves makes me think it's not them

Hoid Slayer

Doc12

...Yay?

[CoderDrag0n8 He/They]

23 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

come back next game at least

it can only get better from here

to quote the Wheel of Time, "If you must mount the gallows, give a jest to the crowd, a coin the hangman, and make the drop with a smile on your lips."

I will come back

I WILL KEEP ON PLAYING UNTIL I CAN FIGURE IT OUT

also

i'm not gonna die?

This is confusing.

I will keep my vote.

[IcedOutPenguin He/Him]

8 minutes ago, TwinStorm said:

I don't see much suspicion of Doc being elim

but enlighten me

I think he's an Elim

[TwinStorm He/Him]

1 minute ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

I think he's an Elim

and why? he thus far has done a ton of work clearing the confusion and being (in my opinion) a model villager

[Aeternum]

2 minutes ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

I think he's an Elim

Can you walk me through your reasoning again?

[Askthepizzagal He/him]

8 minutes ago, IcedOutPenguin said:

I think he's an Elim

I take two assumptions, that you are town, and that he is an Elim, as this culture calls it.

Can you go back to day one and look for the things he said, and explain which bits you think come from an Elim?

For example, the innocent people he is pushing, who are their names?

Do you have suggestions for who his partners would be?

This is an open ended question, and it really doesn't matter to me whether youre right about his alignment or not- what I'd be looking for is for you to explore that world, and fill in what you think is most likely to be true, with those assumptions.

Also, evidence that shows this can be the case. Mainly, who are the innocents he is trying to kill, would be helpful.

And then, what I would do is look and see if that's likely to be true, that the persons he is pushing are all innocent.

If that helps you express your viewpoint and make it more persuasive when it's correct, and also, helps people read your alignment even if it weren't.

Sometimes a guess with deeper thoughts comes from town whether its right or wrong, so the depth is what I'd be looking for, personally.

It's a hard ask to vote for someone else I think could be a town leader today, but if you were to try to aim for that outcome, this would be the path of doing so, in order for me personally to get there in the hours remaining.

 

 

Also really huge for me is who you think is most likely to be town and why, because that sort of narrows the pool and makes the guess otherwise more likely in general, if you care to name innocents as well

Edited August 8, 2025 by Askthepizzaguy
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