Askthepizzagal

That's one, care for another?

Can anyone who is interested in playing future games I play or host, but on an MU subforum, contact me via direct message on here or on MU? I had a game that isn't filling and it could be a half and half blend of the playdiplomacy people and the 17th shard people, might be neat.

Bah you can play on the civfanatics subforum then, we dont use it, and thats like my third original site. I come from 3 sites at the same time, because i was playing civ before i was playing totalwar and mafia and i started playing mafia on totalwar.org. And there were 2 totalwar sites I was on, so its an origin story of 3 sites, even though totalwar is the main, civfanatics is the only one being repped on MU. The subforum is inactive so we could use it.

I also have heard of Inspector Javert but I have not seen the movie or the book if there is one. It's just a famous enough character to be part of my cultural awareness. And I am very touched by the compliment, Doc12. You brought me nothing but joy all game. I read the dead document, it was amusing to see my name so many times. Yeah, I probably dont break my back for 14 hours a day there if I were elim, that was a tell. Also, I do death gambits a lot, but there's no point in bluffing innocent with no power role and not self preserving when I had townies I could vote d1. That also correctly wouldnt have happened from wolf me. I am too powerful a wolf to allow myself to die like that day 1. You all correctly cleared me for valid reasons if you did, because yes, that was not stuff I would do as wolf. The list of things I would do is pretty darn long, but some things are just a little bit too weak and useless for me to try.

This is why I accept that random voting is valid, it is a guessing game and guesses for just about any reason or none are completely respectable ways to play the game. I don't like to gamble, but sometimes in a huge dearth of information I will pick someone for shrug reasons too.

You should come play with me on MU where I think the 17th shard has a subforum, because I would play with this group again, or host games for you. You can imagine the kind of flavor I can generate as host, considering how I did so as a player. Aeoryi's flavor was amazing and reminded me of the sorts of detailed flavor I can write. So it wouldn't be that different. I am afraid the anti double posting rule is pretty much a deal breaker for me as it severely detracted from my fun. -------------------------------------- edit- also will attribute the character Nybbeth is the namesake and based upon this already existing fictional character https://ogrebattlesaga.fandom.com/wiki/Nybeth_Obdilord Greebas was my own creation and this version of Nybbeth Obdilaurd was written differently, simply borrowed the idea of a person seeking to conquer death, and also, the bit about the war, and how he was given official status in fighting enemies of his nation, and how he would experiment on the corpses of the fallen, or those condemned by Galgastan. That template of a lawful evil necromancer, who valued his research over actual lives or morality, was the heavy inspiration. Greebas, is a neutral good wizard, not unlawful but also, not a big fan of political structures and mirrors a lot of my real life views on the law being wielded by those who are evil. Like Nybbeth, except in real life. He would sound a lot like Engywook, from the Neverending Story. And he would appear like this, visually, pretty much. Except less with the brown clothes and, he's hiding the fact that he's been stabbed completely through the stomach with a truly heinous wound there that never healed, and also, never quite rots either. And he's just used to the pain at this point. Technically Greebas is undead, he just disguises himself to appear more normal looking with a low level disguise spell. He doesn't appear that undead, however, as something about the arcane bond he shares with Nybbeth has given him a smidge of immortality, so other than the grievous wound he suffers from, which he hides well, you wouldn't even know that he's not quite alive, not quite dead. He looks like an ordinary albeit wild and uncivilized and dirty and silly old man.

So glad you enjoyed them. @Booknewt The experience was lovely, because I had envisioned more players being more active and then roleplaying with me, it is part of why starseeker did so well with me, is I felt like they were more focused on roleplaying than being all that concerned about looking good or arguing with townies, which I tend to associate with a more guilt-free perspective, which was incorrect as it happens. But, I had no history with any player, and I have no reference for the stories and fantasy inspirations they draw from, or the terminology they used, all I knew was it was a high magic fantasy setting and that I could improvise, per Aeternum telling me pre-game what to expect. So I was looking forward to longer and lengthier interactions between Greebas and, for example, Mehlarin, which had such a promising start, and then they vanished. Starseeker seeking immortality was a huge coincidence with my character who I never announced what his whole deal was, I chose to reveal it through context clues until close to end of day one, where I decided it was pretty likely I was going to be eliminated so, I needed to at least tell more of the story directly. On day two most people dropped their roleplay so it was harder for me to do it alone, and I would have preferred if people tried to stay in character more, or roleplay at all. Striker, for example, discussed playing a short fellow named Var, and it never came up. Some players had no names for their characters and did not roleplay. I found that to be a source of fun when players like Kelsier, you, Striker, were not present, or when Kaladin wasn't doing anything for most of day one, or when I missed out on Aeternum for large portions of each day, or when town was completely doomed by day 3 due to being scattered and having town on town suspicions. Even when every single day was a pretty bad result for town, what interested me and what was fun were those in character snippets where we could actually treat this as an improvised play, and have fun with one another. I regret there wasn't more of that. It also helps, because it helps us remember it is a game, and we are playing characters who are not ourselves. You and I would have no real argument in real life were it not for our little figurines in this dungeons and dragons game being opponents. Being in character while playing out the conflict between those characters brings an extra degree of separation and reminds us, by being in character, that we are not enemies, our characters might be, and that's fun. I know that being the target of a case, correctly or incorrectly, can be stressful, you've happened to bump into a player in me who is kind of... usually successful at getting the person I accuse dead, not just by reputation alone, but as you can see, I take my time with it and I try to bring as much decisive evidence as I can muster. It can be really jarring when I am otherwise so affable and take the position of a defender of other people's honor and town alignment as my primary task as much as possible. So when you are suddenly condemned by me, it's really, really jarring at times. Its like when the sweetest old man in the entire village out of nowhere just starts blasting you with magic missiles and fireballs and death spells. It is really easy to take that strong and aggressive push on you as a personal attack outside of the game, when instead, it's just Greebas the arcane magic user determining you were, correctly, a monstrous villain that was the enemy of the village and was simply defending it. If that monster was being played by anyone but you, you'd probably be rooting for him, because that's kind of awesome. Not so much if youre not separated from your character, or don't have a character, and you weren't prepared for that kind of critical offense. If everyone had been roleplaying, I promise you, I would have done a lot more posts about how I'm just throwing magic spells at you, one after the other, and would have made it more narratively interesting, but with Kelsier about to be eradicated due to inactivity, and the whole game literally riding on people believing me and following me to your execution, I chose to just focus on the out of character aspect of the game, which is why I felt you were guilty. I thought being clear in my explanation would also help you defend yourself if my guess were wrong, as well. But it would have been lots of fun for you to roleplay with Greebas throwing lightning and fireballs and whipping up tornadoes, or Nybbeth Obdilaurd raising the actual dead in the vicinity, all four corpses, to come and attack you. That would have been so cool. So imagine that's how our battle went, and you and your allies ganged up on Greebas and won the fight, slaying the wizard Greebas in combat. That's my head canon. Well fought.

What is the AG @The Unknown Order? Also come talk to me @Doc12, fellow wall poster. It was a pleasure finding you. And warm hugs for @Aeternum as always, brother, friend. Always a pleasure finding you particularly, and I was seriously considering worlds where you were a wolf every single day until I locked you town. Good job being obvious town, its not always so. Thanks for inviting me to play on the shard with you. Lots of love to everyone else, too, but I really needed you guys in particular in the game with me and I lost each of you one at a time for for most of certain rounds and that was sadge. I really tried to play by the principles of my character- not just reflexively voting people for voting wrong and also, trying to be patient, thoughtful, and accurate before making an accusation, and even when I voted a guilty person, i explained how it wasnt personal, and I could be wrong, and all that. I may have been sticking to it a lot more because I was trying to stay in character even when I spoke out of character, but I think the system worked very well even when I knew almost no one. My guess on d3 could have been wrong, and I still think it would have been a fundamentally good approach. I also need to state, I don't get to putting twin and booknewt so low in my leans list without other people trying and appearing to be villagery. I could have used a lot more @StrikerEZ and a lot more @KelsierApologist in the game, because you were good when you were there, willing to consider me town, willing to vote for my suspect, willing to hear me out even if I was different. Differences aren't always warmly welcomed. @CoderDrag0n8 thank you for giving me the time of day and at least considering my case work. You were a pleasure and I kept worrying you claimed innocent to avoid being hit by town powers and also, to explain why you werent murdered ever, but I realized after a while, that wasnt likely and therefore you just read like a lost townie. I am glad I could find you in the end and that you even considered helping me, and voting with me. I needed that. I could have voted Twins with you on d1, but it was hard to consider the case as it just appeared to be random and I don't gamble. @IcedOutPenguin thanks for being patient with me and trying a new approach mid game, looking at worlds. Trying to work with me. That was a good process, dont worry too much about your guesses being wrong, the fundamentals were good because you began thinking in that branching path way, and also, not tunneling someone just because your reads and methods disagree. If I had your assistance on day 3, maybe town stays in the game, since we were always losing kelsier to inactivity, sadly. @Hoid Slayer good on you realizing I was town and so was Iced, that's probably hard and even harder, respectively, since we couldnt find you as townie so easily. Game is hard and I am sorry if I was critical of your play style, I didn't mean anything by it, you're human and you had a different approach. I regret not finding you properly even when I got mega town feels from you suddenly 180ing me on day 2 after I just suggested you should be eliminated. That was a big mistake by me, to not stick with it. @ThatOneWorldhopper thank you for showing up and voting and trying. Sorry you got eliminated d1, I could have stopped it by... voting kaladins with you. It was difficult for me to judge them guilty on so little, so congrats on being right on that. I am not a gambler so without reasons why they were guilty I have trouble voting there. My fault. @Booknewt thanks for being a good sport when accused. @TwinStorm I recognized the skills, thats why i had you in the bottom 3 in any world where iced was town. Due to no Kelsier, I didnt have time to explore that world. Game was already over by then, sadly, since so many folks didnt vote. @KaladinsSenseOfHumorSpren Thanks for being present more on day 3, because I am not a fan of wolves winning by hiding. You gave me a chance to find you and I did not. @Aeoryi thanks for the game, 24h and no night is definitely not my bag. I need my 48/24 minimums. But good game, good hosting.

Greebas did it, he was slightly competent, Seth! Sorry Greebas couldn't save you from death, or anyone else.... is Greebas is free of the evil spirit now? Redemption is a rare gift, indeed. Not all who seek to follow the path reach the end. It's a journey that has no end, Obdilaurd. The destination is the path itself. Unfortunately for you, Greebas, I am not done seeking the path. You still can't die, not while we are still bound. We merely need to wait until the others leave, and then, you shall rise again. Slightly weakened. Greebas understands, he hasn't been able to die since he stabbed himself a century ago. The wound never heals. You've been undead all this time, your wounds will never heal. Greebas wonders if the wounds suffered here will ever heal. *pointing to the fallen innocents* They can, but you need to figure out how to restore their corpses to life, just as you planned to do for mine. RISE, MY FALLEN BRETHREN..... You will take my commands now... at least, until Greebas figures out a way to free us all from this tiny corridor between life and unlife. All the corpses of the fallen innocents begin to rise as one and follow Greebas Obdilaurd, both master and victim of death. I hope, for your sake, Greebas' ability to take notes and read scrolls and investigate things can save us all, still.... A brand new army of the undead. Don't you even think about doing crimes with it. Perish the thought. What fun would that be?

This is what happens when innocents refuse to show up and play. Or vote the guilty. Well played, wolves. It was nice to have met all of you, fellow players. Edit- let the record show I did vote Booknewt.

You've been hovering above null and positive all game. I just recognize that you're probably good at the game no matter your current alignment. If I die "tonight", if Iced is innocent, my legacy remains basically the same here. Check Book and also the folks who chose Iced over book. If book is innocent, I've made an error, and I hope that forgiveness goes both ways in that event. If Book is guilty, I double down on that town pile because those town reads are why I got to Book in particular as the main suspect I have outside of Penguin, here. Penguin suggested her name, but not why, and not with a vote. They can be together, or, it can be one or the other. I think those 2 names should be the choices today, and I dont know if we have the activity or personnel to divide ourselves into three wagons. I also won't be here. So someone probably needs to care pretty hard about the rest of the day phase and also be an innocent that people trust, in order for this day to end in a successful move instead of putting us up against the absolute limit of mistakes we can afford. If we get there and we fail, it's okay. We guess, and wrong guesses are still legal.

ThatOneWorldHopper The Unknown Order Hoid Slayer Doc12 Askthepizzaguy Aeternum KelsierApologist Starseeker- not safely town, but leaning that way CoderDragon- not safely town, but leaning that way TwinStorm- read dependent on actions, and how others flip. StrikerEZ- like others, depends on what he does, and how others flip. Iced- complicated, this person can be innocent its just really hard to see that and I cant shield him, all I can do is look at literally any world where he is innocent and what that would imply. Booknewt- I explained where the suspicion came from. Booknewt, if innocent, has an extremely valuable perspective on the game right now because she knows my top suspect is innocent. But, if most of my other reads are much better, then this is her roadmap from my own chair. If I could have marked down Hoid as definitely innocent yesterday, it would have been extremely helpful to me. Same with if Iced is innocent here. Same if Book is. Striker, I basically need his help to flip an elim today, and most days, until the game is over, if he is innocent. That's my path forward together with Striker, and even so, i usually just die. I really love a lot of Twinstorm's posts and I badly want to work with him because he seems to care and show up and that means a lot when Kelsier won't, but I can't lock him innocent either. Coder, I am starting to feel like he lacks an agenda and is mostly actually lost, but i don't know if I can get to a solid, solid town read I would always be comfortable with. It's just a town read. I also think some of his more random votes might have been hits, as it happens, which would be amusing to him if he is town. Starseeker, Ive been really... really struggling to get there. i don't like sneaking from one day to the next, I like it when everyone collaborates and is open and active, as much as possible. I was wary of this person on both previous days, but I wanted to find them innocent if possible. I am leaning this is the case, because they are putting in both the RP and the effort. It's just hard for me to be super solid about it. Kelsier, I'm still shielding. I think the exchange I had with them on day 1 was something not from an elim, strongly. If I am pocketed, then I am, but my vote doesn't go there unless something shows guilt. Aeternum should never be elim here. I stake the game on it. I am afraid some of my other guesses of town have already died, so the people I deeply trust is a circle that has been shrinking every day instead of expanding like I would prefer. It was not Seth and it was never doc, it should never be Aeternum, and I will shield Kelsier until the cycle I die. And I'm relying on hopefully two of Twin, Starseeker, and Coder to come through for me as innocent. And if anyone is innocent in those bottom 3 names I badly need them to shine and make their mark on the game now, not later. And I did this all afternoon instead of sleeping. I really need to do that. My apologies.

Ok. Hey, Book... I'm innocent (you dont have to believe this) and I very much don't believe in making my suspect feel bad, and I always, always, always consider worlds where I am wrong. What I need from you, if you still believe me to be innocent, is to now just ignore my vote for you and just, take your time, read the game, and make those reads however way you believe you can, make guesses, come up with reasons. If I am wrong about you, it is very very good practice anyway, to exercise those "I think it could be this" muscle. Also, if I am wrong about you, this is the only way I could really see it, is to see your solve in full action. Not a demand, not even a request, just a suggestion on how we proceed forward together, if youre innocent. I laid out the case work, its up to everyone else to show me why it is wrong, and also, you can do that by being villagery and truthful and honest and guess who the elims are. I might still guess you wrong after. Thats okay. That's on me at that point. It's never your fault when someone else guesses you wrong, if you simply speak truth to them. Thats my entire philosophy. Its on me if I made an error here, so dont feel like you made the error.

Let me turn down the temperature a bit. *soft spoken* Book, I did in fact argue you were an elim based on what you said, explaining why what you said indicates that you are guilty and not really solving the mystery, due to the content of your posts. And the votes you are making, and how others in the game are treating you. Everything I am saying must be considered in-bounds. I never mentioned nor made an inference on your alignment based on being new. Additionally, your being busy or not, doesn't affect your alignment itself, I can accept youve been busy. However, I still believe you are guilty based on the content of your posts and your solve and how others in the game have treated your slot. In a most impersonal manner, I assure you. I am sure you are a lovely person, this is my guess, and it is a guessing game and I am allowed to be right, wrong, or guilty myself, in order to make this accusation. Can we agree to these terms? And also, I would like you to now also acknowledge that I did in fact case you almost solely on your content and not, factually, did not accuse you based on being new. Because we should be honest if we're innocent.

Is that your evidence of you being discussed all day as a suspect by others? Me, me, and a neutral slash town lean in a leans list containing all the players?