Battle Between Deaths

[3udier]

With Moash gaining new spiked eyes how likely do we think we'll see a showdown between Marsh and Moash in the future? I'm still wondering how their lives could be prolonged...

[TheOtherDave]

Dunno, but I dearly hope we get an epic throw down between them.

Admittedly, this is partially because I hate Moash with a passion that burns hotter than a thousand suns, and we know that at least Marsh’s reputation is around for Tress so presumably he’d win that fight.

[rrichard]

I like how Moash's fungal eye spikes are probably similar enough to add to Marsh's Death Mythology.

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

Well let's stack up what we know about them.

Moash

-Has Jezrien's Honorblade, unrestricted Windrunner powers and theoretically limitless Investiture to use those powers by simply praying to Retribution, assuming the fight is on Roshar.

-Gem Spikes for eyes let's him 'See' Investiture to make up for his lost sight.

 

Marsh

-Is a Steel Inquisitor with the Physical and Mental Allomantic powers, along with others like duralumin, plus several Feruchemical ones that, due to him being alive before Harmony, he is capable of Compounding with. he is at least capable of compounding strength, speed and youth, as per the Coppermind.

-He has lived for centuries and has a ton of practice with his powers.

-Has some strange ability that allows him to sneak around with ease.

 

So, both of them would easily be able to disengage from the fight if they wanted to, neither of them could really stop the other from just flying off or 'sneaking' away, or whatever it is that Marsh does.

But in a direct conflict, it would be tricky, since Moash would have the ability to one-shot Marsh with a direct strike to his spine. But Marsh can compound speed and is thus much faster than Moash, along with his Steelpushes and Ironpulls to give him great maneuverability, it would be hard for Moash to get that one hit in. Plus with his Gold Spike, Marsh would have the capacity to heal from lesser wounds, though maybe only one or two due to him not being able to Compound Health (As far as we know, he could have spiked an Augur over the centuries).

Marsh would have difficulty reaching Moash if he decided to simply stay in the sky, but at the same time Moash has no projectile attacks that he could use to hit Marsh from a distance. So close-quarters would be the only way for Moash to win, which would be dangerous due to Marsh's plethora of abilities.

Marsh would need to disarm Moash from his Honorblade to depower him, otherwise Moash will simply heal from most injuries that Marsh could inflict on him.

Though a viable method to victory for Marsh, assuming he was willing, would be to use Hemalurgy on Moash to tear apart his soul. Just get him close, then shoot some metal coins, assuming they are Hemalurgically viable, into his body with the Intent to use Hemalurgy. The healing granted by Honorblades has been said to be incapable of healing spiritual wounds such as the cuts in the soul by a Shardblade, so I think the logic would hold that an Honorblade wouldn't let you walk off having a chunk of your soul torn out with Hemalurgy.

That, or Marsh waits for Moash to try to get close to slash at him, then taps a bunch of speed and strength and crushes Moash's head before he can blink. 

In conclusion, I believe that Marsh's plethora of powers and centuries of experience in using them would allow him to hold his own against Moash until he is able to deal a finishing blow.

[TheOtherDave]

19 minutes ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Marsh would need to disarm Moash from his Honorblade to depower him, otherwise Moash will simply heal from most injuries that Marsh could inflict on him.

What kind of metal are the Honorblades made from? As long as it’s not aluminum (which would be a horrible choice for a sword), Marsh should be able to yank it out of Moash’s unsuspecting hands.

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

47 minutes ago, TheOtherDave said:

What kind of metal are the Honorblades made from? As long as it’s not aluminum (which would be a horrible choice for a sword), Marsh should be able to yank it out of Moash’s unsuspecting hands.

It's made of Tanavastium, the pure Godmetal of Honor. So no, he wouldn't be able to Push or Pull on it, unless he was using a Godlike amount of power in a Push. Maybe if he pulled off what Wayne did except by stuffing his stomach with steel instead then burning duralumin, it might provide enough power to overcome the resistance of Solidified Investiture. 

[Wadders]

Marsh has access to atium which even in a short burst would pretty much put the fight in his hands.

[3udier]

7 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Marsh

-Has some strange ability that allows him to sneak around with ease.

Do we think this is just identity or connection feruchemy?

[Sythrin]

8 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

But in a direct conflict, it would be tricky, since Moash would have the ability to one-shot Marsh with a direct strike to his spine. But Marsh can compound speed and is thus much faster than Moash, along with his Steelpushes and Ironpulls to give him great maneuverability, it would be hard for Moash to get that one hit in. Plus with his Gold Spike, Marsh would have the capacity to heal from lesser wounds, though maybe only one or two due to him not being able to Compound Health (As far as we know, he could have spiked an Augur over the centuries).

Dont forget. Marsh is an Oracle as well. He can use electrum to see his own future. As a spike that grants atium burning abilities grants as well electrum burning.

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

8 hours ago, 3udier said:

Do we think this is just identity or connection feruchemy?

Could be, Connection would be useful for picking up new languages in a new land.

7 hours ago, Sythrin said:

Dont forget. Marsh is an Oracle as well. He can use electrum to see his own future. As a spike that grants atium burning abilities grants as well electrum burning.

Yeah, but seeing your own future isn't necessarily going to help him win this fight, Moash can't see the future so there's really no point.

But, as of the end of TLM, Marsh does have regular atium again, so he could use that to see Moash's future and win the fight very easily.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

23 hours ago, 3udier said:

With Moash gaining new spiked eyes how likely do we think we'll see a showdown between Marsh and Moash in the future? I'm still wondering how their lives could be prolonged...

more likely Blackthorn vs Marsh, as he is the main agent in the Cosmere.

[TheOtherDave]

20 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

It's made of Tanavastium, the pure Godmetal of Honor. So no, he wouldn't be able to Push or Pull on it, unless he was using a Godlike amount of power in a Push. Maybe if he pulled off what Wayne did except by stuffing his stomach with steel instead then burning duralumin, it might provide enough power to overcome the resistance of Solidified Investiture. 

Ah, well, I stand corrected then

[Sythrin]

22 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Yeah, but seeing your own future isn't necessarily going to help him win this fight, Moash can't see the future so there's really no point.

But, as of the end of TLM, Marsh does have regular atium again, so he could use that to see Moash's future and win the fight very easily.

Electrum is not only good against future visions of overs. You can see your own future shadow and if what you see you dislike, it will change. It is much weaker than atium as you only see your own shadow. But you can see things like: „if you run into a trap“ or „if you are gonna get stabbed and where“ 
It allows one to evade attacks pretty nicely. Just not strack against someone.

[1nitiate]

I am so happy to find this thread after the thought popping in my head while reading WaT. Love the hivemind lol

[Kadollan]

Scadrians after witnessing the battle : Our Death is so powerful, it killed that weird crystal-eyed Death from another world

Edited December 28, 2024 by Kadollan

[Hoids Imaginary Friend]

On 12/14/2024 at 7:24 PM, JustQuestin2004 said:

It's made of Tanavastium, the pure Godmetal of Honor. So no, he wouldn't be able to Push or Pull on it, unless he was using a Godlike amount of power in a Push. Maybe if he pulled off what Wayne did except by stuffing his stomach with steel instead then burning duralumin, it might provide enough power to overcome the resistance of Solidified Investiture. 

It was stated that the windrunner honerblade was corrupted, so it's probably now made of.. Taravangian?

Your point still stands, just pointing it out.

Still, a probable and cool fight. I'm gunna bet on Marsh. Compounding is a hell of drug.

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

10 minutes ago, Hoids Imaginary Friend said:

It was stated that the windrunner honerblade was corrupted, so it's probably now made of.. Taravangian?

Taravangianium? Taravangium? Taravanium? 

[Hoids Imaginary Friend]

39 minutes ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

Taravangianium? Taravangium? Taravanium? 

Vargoium?

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

40 minutes ago, Hoids Imaginary Friend said:

Vargoium?

Retributium? It would go hand and hand with the only other hybrid-Godmetal.