Predict Minor Developments in the ten year gap to SA6 [MINOR ONLY!]

[+robardin he/him]

No predictions about major plot lines or developments with Cosmere Implications, those can and will happen in lots of other threads.

This one is for predicting minor stuff, like these:

Adolin will have learned Azish, because with Urithiru inaccessible, he's going to spend a lot of the next ten years in Azimir with that final Bondsmithing from Dalinar for Connection translation already starting to wear off by the end of WaT.

With Urithiru completely cut off from the rest of Roshar and also unable to trade via Shadesmar, they'll have to subsist on food they grow themselves there. Which means the Urithiruans will largely be going vegetarian, because did they bother bringing livestock in to Urithiru when they assumed they could Oathgate for supplies from Azimiar, Thaylen City, and Narak?

(Yes, they could Soulcast meat, but that'd basically all be on Jasnah now to do, unless the ardents with Soulcaster fabrials can use Towerlight as well... Mmaybe they can? -- they'd have to infuse the right gemstones on the bracelets with Towerlight, right, versus a living Radiant just investing themselves from it?) I wonder if Jasnah will finally get to liking chouta as a result.

With Kaladin gone and Sigzil (and Wit) just vanishing from Urithiru (as far as anybody could tell), leadership of the Windrunners will fall to Skar and/or Lopen, one outside and one inside of the Crystal Tower that is now Urithiru.

Skar will reach the Fourth Ideal in the ten year gap, by agonizing over losing Kal, Leyten, and Sigzil within a few days' span and wishing any or all of them could be the leader in his place, before accepting that he couldn't prevent any of that, and that he'd been needed in Azimir with Adolin.

Lopen is inside Urithiru, covering as quartermaster and provisions there with Leyten gone, and learns from Zahel to develop a variant of the dish tektees that Vasher had enjoyed in T'telir to make a fusion dish with the Herdazian chouta, in order to make the Soulcast meat go even further. He calls it chouktees, and is disappointed to find that some people he's close to, like Rlain and Renarin, really, really hate it. He reaches the Fourth Ideal when he is forced to admit to himself that there are some people he just cannot protect from his cooking.

 

[Argenti he/him]

1 hour ago, robardin said:

No predictions about major plot lines or developments with Cosmere Implications, those can and will happen in lots of other threads.

This one is for predicting minor stuff, like these:

Adolin will have learned Azish, because with Urithiru inaccessible, he's going to spend a lot of the next ten years in Azimir with that final Bondsmithing from Dalinar for Connection translation already starting to wear off by the end of WaT.

With Urithiru completely cut off from the rest of Roshar and also unable to trade via Shadesmar, they'll have to subsist on food they grow themselves there. Which means the Urithiruans will largely be going vegetarian, because did they bother bringing livestock in to Urithiru when they assumed they could Oathgate for supplies from Azimiar, Thaylen City, and Narak?

(Yes, they could Soulcast meat, but that'd basically all be on Jasnah now to do, unless the ardents with Soulcaster fabrials can use Towerlight as well... Mmaybe they can? -- they'd have to infuse the right gemstones on the bracelets with Towerlight, right, versus a living Radiant just investing themselves from it?) I wonder if Jasnah will finally get to liking chouta as a result.

With Kaladin gone and Sigzil (and Wit) just vanishing from Urithiru (as far as anybody could tell), leadership of the Windrunners will fall to Skar and/or Lopen, one outside and one inside of the Crystal Tower that is now Urithiru.

Skar will reach the Fourth Ideal in the ten year gap, by agonizing over losing Kal, Leyten, and Sigzil within a few days' span and wishing any or all of them could be the leader in his place, before accepting that he couldn't prevent any of that, and that he'd been needed in Azimir with Adolin.

Lopen is inside Urithiru, covering as quartermaster and provisions there with Leyten gone, and learns from Zahel to develop a variant of the dish tektees that Vasher had enjoyed in T'telir to make a fusion dish with the Herdazian chouta, in order to make the Soulcast meat go even further. He calls it chouktees, and is disappointed to find that some people he's close to, like Rlain and Renarin, really, really hate it. He reaches the Fourth Ideal when he is forced to admit to himself that there are some people he just cannot protect from his cooking.

 

I love this idea!

Shallan's baby will be named after someone, either Kaladin or Dalinar. Kaladin will be flabbergasted that people already named people after him.

Adolin's leg will not be healed.

[+robardin he/him]

4 minutes ago, Argenti said:

I love this idea!

Shallan's baby will be named after someone, either Kaladin or Dalinar. Kaladin will be flabbergasted that people already named people after him.

Adolin's leg will not be healed.

Whoa... I don't think Shallan was pregnant yet...?

Or are you invoking Chekov's Shower Scene as a strong indication that she will find out very soon that she is carrying Adolin's child, while being separated from him for an indefinite time stranded in Shadesmar?

(If she got enough "convertible" Investiture, could she feed the shrunken Oathgate spren to Azimir from Shadesmar to operate it, or is that not ever going to work again?)

But that's going too far into  "real" topics, LOL.

[Ookla she/her]

15 minutes ago, robardin said:

Whoa... I don't think Shallan was pregnant yet...?

Or are you invoking Chekov's Shower Scene as a strong indication that she will find out very soon that she is carrying Adolin's child, while being separated from him for an indefinite time stranded in Shadesmar?

(If she got enough "convertible" Investiture, could she feed the shrunken Oathgate spren to Azimir from Shadesmar to operate it, or is that not ever going to work again?)

But that's going too far into  "real" topics, LOL.

Have you finished the book yet?

Spoiler

Because there's a scene near the end of WaT that strongly implies she's pregnant--it's a few months after the Contest of Champions and she's stuck in Shadesmar, so she'd know by that point. So there is Chekov's Shower Scene, but as I see it, that's more just setup for Chekov's "Shallan's Worried About Her Kid" Moment.

 

[+robardin he/him]

Just now, Ookla the Ookla said:

Have you finished the book yet?

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Because there's a scene near the end of WaT that strongly implies she's pregnant--it's a few months after the Contest of Champions and she's stuck in Shadesmar, so she'd know by that point. So there is Chekov's Shower Scene, but as I see it, that's more just setup for Chekov's "Shallan's Worried About Her Kid" Moment.

 

Yes I did finish the book, but don't remember this passage... Let me go back and read more closely!

...Ah, I see. Her thought to herself about finding a way back to the Physical Realm without an Oathgate, that she might never see Adolin again while putting her hand on her stomach, and that "she could survive. She had to. Not just for herself."

What a yutz I am that I read right past that, LOL

[Ookla she/her]

Just now, robardin said:

Yes I did finish the book, but don't remember this passage... Let me go back and read more closely!

...Ah, I see. Her thought to herself about finding a way back to the Physical Realm without an Oathgate, that she might never see Adolin again while putting her hand on her stomach, and that "she could survive. She had to. Not just for herself."

What a yutz I am that I read right past that, LOL

To be fair, I wouldn't have noticed the first time 'round either, if it weren't for the fact that I compulsively spoil these sorts of things for myself before I ever get there.

[logicless.bt]

I'm psyched for all things Urithiru. Surviving in a perfect and self-sustaining, yet necessarily cramped, island is one of my favorite tropes.

 

I think some ashspren will have started bonding listeners in the gap.

[Elite01]

As far as meat goes the Lightweavers could help soulcast meat so its not just Jasnah

[+robardin he/him]

1 hour ago, Elite01 said:

As far as meat goes the Lightweavers could help soulcast meat so its not just Jasnah

Interesting point, I've gotten so used to not seeing any Lightweaver do any Soulcasting of note yet that I forgot it's in their power set, LOL.

 

[TwinStorm He/Him]

Renarin will get to the Fourth Ideal. idk why, just feels right

[Qianweilian He/him]

Vorinism will go crazy. Some of them are going to be traditional, some of them will worship Dalinar, some of them will even worship Retribution, I could even see some of them ending up worshiping Syl or the Sibling

[+mdross81 he/him]

Seeing a lot of folks mention Radiants reaching a certain Ideal. Do we know whether they can still continue to progress with their bonds? Who’s going to accept the sworn Ideals?

(and yes, I know this is just supposed to be minor stuff, just genuinely curious)

[Zea mays]

Poor Oroden will grow up where everyone idolises his lost older brother. 

 

Gavinor will need some deprogramming from his fun time with Odium. Will Jasnah be able to talk to him? Would that help her reevaluate her world views?

Isn't Skar still in Azimir? How will he and/or Drehy get to Uruthiro with no stormlight (a lot of walking and climbing through enemy territory)

Will Sylphrena inherit the mantle of accepting radiant oaths?

 

 

Edited December 12, 2024 by Zea mays
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[Moirne she/her]

7 minutes ago, mdross81 said:

Seeing a lot of folks mention Radiants reaching a certain Ideal. Do we know whether they can still continue to progress with their bonds? Who’s going to accept the sworn Ideals?

(and yes, I know this is just supposed to be minor stuff, just genuinely curious)

I wonder who was accepting the Enlightened oaths in the first place - weren’t those spren hiding from Stormfather and Odium both? Maybe Sja-Anat was?

[Etedbert he/him]

11 minutes ago, mdross81 said:

Seeing a lot of folks mention Radiants reaching a certain Ideal. Do we know whether they can still continue to progress with their bonds? Who’s going to accept the sworn Ideals?

(and yes, I know this is just supposed to be minor stuff, just genuinely curious)

We did see Syl herself accept Kal’s Herald oath. It’s possible with the death of the Stormfather / possibly the Nightwatcher and the coma of the sibling, along with the Oathpact 2.0 making radiant Spren the largest collection of Honor’s power outside the Heralds left, that individual spren themselves choose whether or not to accept oaths from their radiant, granting them even more agency with the bonds than before

[+robardin he/him]

21 minutes ago, mdross81 said:

Seeing a lot of folks mention Radiants reaching a certain Ideal. Do we know whether they can still continue to progress with their bonds? Who’s going to accept the sworn Ideals?

(and yes, I know this is just supposed to be minor stuff, just genuinely curious)

I would assume so, based on The Sunlit Man.

Spoiler:

Spoiler

We know that Nomad/Zellion are names taken on by Sigzil in the future, not sure how far in the future, but he had broken off his Windrunner oaths (which we've now seen happen in WaT) and has a messed up bond with a highspren (Auxiliary, clearly Szeth's highspren in WaT) and a similar "Torment" to what Hoid has in terms of not being allowed to fight or do physical harm to another person... And he also manifests both Blade and Plate, the latter of which glows with the Skybreaker glyph.

So even if bonding a highspren after reaching the Third Ideal with Vienta as a Windrunner meant he was instantly "grandfathered in" as a Radiant of the Ideal he left off as in becoming a Skybreaker, which I would be surprised about, he still must have reached the Fourth Ideal as a Skybreaker to gain Plate, this all happening after leaving Roshar at the end of WaT.

 

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

- Yanagawn gets really good at Towers

- A Bride Four-based religion (maybe an offshoot of Vorinism) starts, with dead and missing Bridge Four members (Kal, Rock, Teft, Leyten, and Sigzil, plus maybe Dunny) being deified by the time Book 6 rolls around. 

- Szeth and Hesina bond, and Szeth and his wife help raise Oroden

[TwinStorm He/Him]

1 hour ago, mdross81 said:

Seeing a lot of folks mention Radiants reaching a certain Ideal. Do we know whether they can still continue to progress with their bonds? Who’s going to accept the sworn Ideals?

(and yes, I know this is just supposed to be minor stuff, just genuinely curious)

the Sibling can accept words, as they did with Navani.

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Pancake said:

- Yanagawn gets really good at Towers

- A Bride Four-based religion (maybe an offshoot of Vorinism) starts, with dead and missing Bridge Four members (Kal, Rock, Teft, Leyten, and Sigzil, plus maybe Dunny) being deified by the time Book 6 rolls around. 

- Szeth and Hesina bond, and Szeth and his wife help raise Oroden

Kaladin is absolutely being deified as Stormblessed.

[+mdross81 he/him]

11 minutes ago, Ookla the Irreplaceable said:

the Sibling can accept words, as they did with Navani.

Yes, assuming they eventually emerge from their coma.

1 hour ago, robardin said:

I would assume so, based on The Sunlit Man.

Good point, though I guess it always seemed to me like that order handles things a bit differently.

[FollowYourMuse she/her]

Lopen declares himself King of the Herdazian's in exile.
Rushu leads the spren training program. 
Lirin works with others Kaladan helped to open up the Stormblessed Mental Health clinic, next to the hospital medical wing he founds and runs.

Rock's Bridge 4 Stew becomes a favorite meal second only to Chouta. 
Lift figures out how to get into the Spiritual Realm without Dalinar and bothers (spy's on)  Syl, Kaladin, and the Heralds. 
Notum petitions the Emperor for full citizen rights for Spren that move to Azir.






 

[+Child of Hodor]

Lift learns and starts using Zahel’s color-based sayings. 

[a Faceless Immortal he/him]

2 minutes ago, Child of Hodor said:

Lift learns and starts using Zahel’s color-based sayings. 

I'll do you one better - Zahel starts using Lift's made up words.

[+robardin he/him]

1 hour ago, Ookla the Pancake said:

- Yanagawn gets really good at Towers

- A Bride Four-based religion (maybe an offshoot of Vorinism) starts, with dead and missing Bridge Four members (Kal, Rock, Teft, Leyten, and Sigzil, plus maybe Dunny) being deified by the time Book 6 rolls around. 

- Szeth and Hesina bond, and Szeth and his wife help raise Oroden

Wait, what happened to Lirin then? Also, how is Szeth getting into Urithiru?

[Szeth Pancakes he/they]

1 hour ago, robardin said:

Wait, what happened to Lirin then? Also, how is Szeth getting into Urithiru?

- I think Lirin would be too closed off due to his grief about Kaladin to bond with him, at least at first. 

- Szeth's wife becomes an Elsecaller, in league with Jasnah ("head of our order"), so it's likely they're at Urithiru with her. As for how they got there - Nohadon-style, I suppose.

 

[+Oltux72 he/him]

On 12/12/2024 at 10:28 PM, logicless.bt said:

I'm psyched for all things Urithiru. Surviving in a perfect and self-sustaining, yet necessarily cramped, island is one of my favorite tropes.

Given that Knights of Wind and Truth was written by an Elsecaller six years after the Stormfall, it looks to me like contact with the outer world will be reestablished within a few years. So there is no generation growing up under the bubble.