Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him Posted January 3, 2025 Posted January 3, 2025 31 minutes ago, Mason Wheeler said: Here's a point I don't think I've seen anyone mention so far: just because it was wrong to imprison BAM back in the day, does not mean it was right to release her now. We've clearly seen that the millennia of isolation have driven her homicidally insane. Renarin and Rlain and Shallan clearly saw this as well, and understood it. So why in the world would they free her, knowing that? Unjustly imprisoned or not, they just loosed a monster on the world, one who's always had the capacity to commit atrocities and now has the inclination and desire to do so without reservation. That was one of the biggest "facepalm" moments of the book. The atrocities that she goes on to commit now are at least partially on their heads. It feels like to me is a lot of projection about what BAM might do wrapped up in this response Prior to her imprisonment, BAM was trying to save the small portion that was left of the Singers. Humans were on the verge of actual genocide and taking the world of Roshar entirely for themselves before she Connected with the Singers to provide them forms of Power. She was trying to save her people from Extinction, she wasn't "committing atrocities". Even within that concept/war, BAM was willing to and in favor of brokering peace between the Singers and the Humans, it was only Honor's interference that ruined the peace between Humans and Singers. Not Odiums, Honor's. Moving forward, she has to hide in the CR from Retribution for the foreseeable future and won't be able to do much without drawing his attention. Also, her rage was to a large degree abated on screen as she saw Rlain/Renarin's relationship, by Rlain standing in front of Renarin to protect him and argue for him and attune Love. To the point that she delivered them all from the Spiritual Realm into the Cognitive with her as she fled to hide from Odium/Retribution. The book itself tells us that it was right for her to be released: Quote "A long-lasting discordant note, vibrating the soul of Roshar in the most terrible of ways, was finally extinguished. Something that had been broken - for so very long - righted." - Wind and Truth, Page 1264 To have kept BAM trapped because of fear of what she might do is just that, living in fear. Freeing her was a virtuous act, and it inspired Dalinar in the moment, showing him "true honor". Taking the right action, even though it might be detrimental to you is what we talked about with Wit earlier in the book, it is still right to do so. Personally, I can't wait for Retribution to split, BAM to take up Odium and Adolin to take up Honor after Honor has learned the lessons Dalinar set for it and it meshes much better with Adolin's character than Dalinar's anyway. I feel like people's biggest issues so far that I've seen with WaT boil down to two things: It didn't meet their expectations of how the story would go, which is bad somehow Even though it is an ending, it is not THE ending, but people seem to be treating it as such. Their interpretation of moments in WaT are as if those moments are in any way final for those characters. We don't know where Jasnah's story is going to go from here. We don't know where BAM's story is going to go from here. There were pieces (Szeth's own oath breaking especially) that didn't jive with me, but I'm going to reserve judgement until we see the rest of the story. There were theories out there that actually came true (child champion, mostly) that I thought would be the worst possible way to take the story, but Brandon did it in a way that I liked and accept. 10
Through the Living Wrath he/him Posted January 5, 2025 Posted January 5, 2025 I really liked this book. It took the story, and veered it away from what I thought would happen. Sure, some things were a little clumsy. But I think it’s perfectly understandable. It’s a big book, and there is a lot that had to be covered. The biggest problems people have that I’ve heard are the emphasis on therapy and Dalinar’s decision. Most say that the therapy is clumsy, and I, to a certain extent, agree. But bear in mind that Kaladin by no means “fixed” anyone. Sure, Szeth feels better, but that doesn’t mean he’s fully healed. The same with the Heralds; for this purpose, Kaladin became immortal and devoted himself to helping them throughout the rest of his days. Another point on the therapy is that what Kaladin did with the Heralds was by no means natural. They had something investiture related that was forcing their madness, and it was Kal’s fifth path that helped most of them. And then Dalinar’s decision. Many people hate this, because they cannot possibly see why it would be a good thing. The people of Roshar are oppressed, and Retribution is free! But there is more in the long run. Sure, they on Roshar might be oppressed for a century, but in the view of a Shard, that’s a whole lot better than permanently being under control of a tyrannical totalitarian Shard. His actions allow the end of Retribution. What Dalinar did is freaking awesome. He proved Taravangian wrong on TWO fronts. One of them, he didn’t even know. TOdium argued with Jasnah that the Alethi leadership (namely, her) wanted what was best for Alethkar, not Roshar. And Dalinar’s actions completely and utterly disprove this. All in all, this was a very good book, with a wonderful ending. 7
somegirlx Posted January 11, 2025 Posted January 11, 2025 I liked the book but.. I tend to like TOMES. There are a few things I don't understand (which I like). And some things I didn't like. (which I don't like.) I feel like the "sibling" going into a protective coma is both smart and cowardly but, why is Navani in the same state? Her knowledge is greatly needed now... I believe the high storms will return, either through the sibling or Syl, or even the Nightwatcher? I'm not sure I understand all of this. I'm in freefall over Ba-ado-Mishram. She seemed so kindly in the flashbacks yet, I understand her anger at being betrayed the way and WHEN she was. I hate Taravangian's attitude of "I can save them all". Ugh! We all know that "saving them all" results in killing people for "death rattles". His "I'll be the best god ever" is terrifying. 1
Bonecat Posted January 24, 2025 Posted January 24, 2025 (edited) The book started off great. But then it just kind dragged on. I had the feeling he was trying too hard to misdirect us. As a result he could’ve culled at least 400 pages out of this and not lose anything from the plot. Too many breaks in the various story lines made it tiresome after awhile. The previous four books were well written. This one was just a huge letdown unfortunately. Edited January 25, 2025 by Bonecat 2
ChillPenguin Posted January 31, 2025 Posted January 31, 2025 I just finished the book today and my first overall impression is satisfaction! The main reason I’m satisfied is because I feel we got a ton of answers about things, especially what happened in the past on Roshar. Sanderson did this in a clever way with the spiritual realm. The book also set up the future well too. It wove in a few things from books further in the timeline and set the board. My favorite moments of the book are Szeth and Kaladin, learning to work together. I especially loved Nightblood and his learning to not eat everyone - we will see if that lasts. The final bright point I want to highlight is the Lift interlude. Lift has never been one of my favorite characters, but storm it if I’m not excited to see what she can do in the back half! I think the most underwhelming moment for me is the Contest of Champions. On the one hand, Taravangian toted out his favorite argument and that’s to be expected in a way, but he just beat Jasnah with it. I expected Dalinar to apply “talk no jutsu” to get Gav to forfeit. I am sure that when taken in context of future books this contest will look way better than it does. It truly has been great to spend time with these characters. While many of them ended up in a different place than I’d hoped, there’s still more journey to be had. 2
Mags she/they Posted February 17, 2025 Posted February 17, 2025 (edited) I'm a bit too tired to go super deep with this reaction, but here is a summary of my current thoughts having finished the book today. (I also wrote this to share with some non-sharder friends, so if it seems needless spoiler avoidant, that's why). It took me quite a bit longer then I'd hoped, I wanted to devote more time to reading this year, but this book is 1300-ish pages, so I think I can cut myself some slack. The other Stormlight books certainly took me longer then a month and a half to complete, so I see this as a win. I really liked this book--I know there's a loud few who are disappointed in it, but my general impression is to disagree with them. My current rating is a 4.5/5, really great, but not perfect. If we're being honest here, I've read thousands of pages of novels building up to this, I already love and care about the world and characters. I would've loved this book even if it was all of my beloved characters just sitting around in a void talking to each other--which is a testament to how well things have been set up this far. I just think I ought to admit that bias because it's very real and very strong. While I do think that most of the time Brandon's dialogue is just fine, in this book there were a few bad scenes where it lacked subtlety, and felt cheesy. One scene in particular that comes to mind felt like Brandon was having the character say what he should say, in his situation, instead of something more in-character. Other scenes felt masterfully done, though. I just think it's the dialogue's wide range in quality throughout the novel that leaves a bad impression. I have a few small issues here and there, but other then that, my thoughts are overwhelmingly positive. I think, while fumbled in some aspects, the main themes of the story come to a nice point. WaT walks a strange line between being a finale for the first arc of it's book series, as well as setting up and establishing the environment and conflict of the next arc. This is done really well IMHO, and as a big fan of the Cosmere, I find this a very satisfying 'half finale.' The ending made sense in a way that, while I did not fully expect the outcome, linked into the other books in the world really well. While I have found that diving deeper into literary analysis has caused me to see occasional holes in the writing of things I enjoy, including Brandon's books, with WaT I am overwhelmed by the fact that I could never figure out how to balance an ending like this, to a series so ambitious. As a very beginner when it comes to creative writing, Brandon has my full respect. Edited February 17, 2025 by Magi 4
Gidrons Posted February 20, 2025 Posted February 20, 2025 On 12/8/2024 at 5:21 PM, Mason Wheeler said: Cultivation sucks. It doesn't get discussed much in here, but it seems pretty clear that at virtually every turn, she screwed up and made things worse. And yeah, there's a whole lot of blame to go around for how things turned out in the end, but the lion's (dragon's?) share definitely belongs to her. I can't see Brandon writing a god to be so stupid. Her attempts to keep Todium on the right path were laughable. I can only assume this is all part of Cultivation's genius master plan, to be revealed 20 years from now and after I've died of old age. 2
Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him Posted February 21, 2025 Posted February 21, 2025 5 hours ago, Gidrons said: I can't see Brandon writing a god to be so stupid. Her attempts to keep Todium on the right path were laughable. I can only assume this is all part of Cultivation's genius master plan, to be revealed 20 years from now and after I've died of old age. I'm 99% sure that Cultivation has multi-leveled plans in place here And I don't think that her FIRST plan was to keep TOdium on the right path. I think she told him and did things that were specifically designed to get the Contest to fail, because I think she wanted off of Roshar as her #1 priority, just like Odium did. 2
Soccorro Posted February 21, 2025 Posted February 21, 2025 2 hours ago, Green Hoodie Mistborn said: I'm 99% sure that Cultivation has multi-leveled plans in place here I don’t think so. In the end of the book Dalinar realised that shards aren’t Gods but stupid mortals who gained power that didn’t deserve and now so many people suffer because of their irresponsibility. I guess that’s what BS wanted to show with Cultivation. She made stupid plan and failed. That’s it. Don’t try to play God 3
Gidrons Posted February 21, 2025 Posted February 21, 2025 21 hours ago, Soccorro said: I don’t think so. In the end of the book Dalinar realised that shards aren’t Gods but stupid mortals who gained power that didn’t deserve and now so many people suffer because of their irresponsibility. I guess that’s what BS wanted to show with Cultivation. She made stupid plan and failed. That’s it. Don’t try to play God Time will tell I suppose. But if a dragon/god can see all possible outcomes, I'd expect a better plan.
king of nowhere Posted February 27, 2025 Posted February 27, 2025 halfway through the book (it shipped very late), i have to say i love how much of a team player adolin is. the way he shares his shards and fights as part of a unit is even more badass than his combat skill. learning of shin culture is great. really crazy people. "he subtracted! with a rock!!!!" it's a minor miracle the country hasn't been subjugated by a military rebellion, the way all the people with weapons are little more than slaves. also, after kaladin realized that szeth is tien, and elokar is tien, someone should make a meme of tiens everywhere 5
king of nowhere Posted March 1, 2025 Posted March 1, 2025 i'm definitely unhappy about taravangian. the reveal that he was selfish all along detracts from the character and its depth. i've seen many characters like him in the media. people who were doing terrible things in the name of a greater good. and in every case i remember, they turned out to be selfish all along. this both cheapens the moral dilemma presented, and appears to be moralizing. i liked taravangian specifially because he appeared to be actually striving for the greater good. now, i could have totally accepted him changing after taking the shard of odium. but the book is pretty clear that it had always been about him. it turns the taravangian of the first four books into a shallow character. bad move there. to avoid accusations of negativity, i'll also mention something that surprised me positively: renarin and rlain. inserting a homosexual relationship in a story is dangerous; not much for the backlash from the least tolerant members of the public, but because it's easy for it to be cringy, or to appear like some hamfisted woke element. there are many pitfalls there. when i learned it was going to happen, i was worried for its execution; additionally, i never liked renarin, and was neutral on rlain. but i can say, the story was well laid out and executed. the subtle plants of rlain orientation left in earlier books paid well, as without them, rlain turning out to be gay the moment renarin showed interest would have seemed too much of a contrived coincidence - which in turn would have fed the sense of "it's just to fill the wokeness quota". no, the whole thing develops naturally and feel real. good job there. 3
king of nowhere Posted March 5, 2025 Posted March 5, 2025 Well, the end was... Weird. Too much stuff happening, diminishes the full impact of stuff. I definitely wasn't expecting T to take honor. Frankly, i think dalinar should have killed gavinor and let odium bear responsibility. If odium had sent a different champion, dalinar would have had no qualms killing them. It was a form of nepotism, making such distinctions because of familiy connection. By the way, i wonder how gavinor will feel, the way odium treated him. Jasnah was well executed. I like how previous moments that were all like "wow she is so cool" came back to bite her. However, there is an important argument she missed. T was invoking the nirvana fallacy; jasnah is imperfect, so they should side with odium. Maybe jasnah cannot be trusted completely, but taravangian cannot be trusted at all. Even bound by contracts, he's shown great ability in manipulating them. Someone should have brought that up. I was expecting something terrible to happen with sigzil, given... Well, spoilers from other cosmere stories. What actually happened is pretty tame. Vienta should be grateful that sigzil saved her life, now that they know they can fix deadeyes. Would she have preferred the alternative? I was afraid sanderson would kill adolin, but he's the only one scoring a clear victory. He weaponized being nice, which is cool. Having seen how ridiculously powerful the heralds are, i have a hard time thinking what could be a threat for them in the next return 2
sifth Posted March 6, 2025 Posted March 6, 2025 (edited) My first post here. So my perspective on Winds of Truth might be a little different from many people here. I first started reading this series last June and fell in love with the Way of Kings; possibly one of my favorite books in a long while. Since then I spent the past fall and winter season reading the other 4 novels and 2 novellas in order. So Wind of Truth coming out while I was about 100 pages into Rhythm of War was a happy coincidence for me. I know most of you all have probably waited years to read book 5, but for me I quite literally started it two days after finishing book 4. So after binge reading this entire series, for the past 8 months or so, I have to say Wind of Truth might be my least favorite of the 5. It's a good book, to be sure, but the other 4 books just each had these "special" moments to them, that nearly brought me to tears; Kaladin being forgiven by his brother, Dalinar taking responsibility for his past and not giving up his pain, and so on. We got some great lore and answers to a lot of mysteries. Some great set up for the future to come, but I felt a lot of human moments, to be the weakest part of this series. The best ones I can think of is Taln defending the innocent again, even with no weapons and hardly even sane and Kalak meeting Kaladin in the final chapter and being forgiven by Taln. The contest of champions was really disappointing for me. Are we suppose to believe that if Todium brought any random dude to that fight, that Dalinar wouldn't have killed him/her on the spot, in order to save the world? Also Dalinar's plan has basically sent his own world back to the stone age, with only the parts of the world that worship an evil god, having a power source. Not sure if that sits well with me. I guess the heroes had a lot of wins at the end of the other 4 books, so they needed to be taken down a peg, but dam, I didn't think Sanderon would take them down this much. Edited March 8, 2025 by sifth 6
king of nowhere Posted March 7, 2025 Posted March 7, 2025 21 hours ago, sifth said: My first post here. So my perspective on Winds of Truth might be a little different from many people here. I first started reading this series last June and fell in love with the Way of Kings; possibly one of my favorite books in a long while. Since then I spent the past fall and winter season reading the other 4 novels and 2 novellas in order. So Wind of Truth coming out while I was about 100 pages into Rhythm of War was a happy coincidence for me. I know most of you all have probably waited years to read book 5, but for me I quite literally started it two days after finishing book 4. So after binge reading this entire series, for the past 8 months or so, I have to say Wind of Truth might be the least favorite of the 5. It's a good book, to be sure, but the other 4 books just each had these "special" moments to them, that nearly brought me to tears; Kaladin being forgiven by his brother, Dalinar taking responsibility for his past and not giving up his pain, and so on. We got some great lore and answers to a lot of mysteries. Some great set up for the future to come, but I felt a lot of human moments, to be the weakest part of this series. The best ones I can think of is Taln defending the innocent again, even with no weapons and hardly even sane and Kalak meeting Kaladin in the final chapter and being forgiven by Taln. The contest of champions was really disappointing for me. Are we suppose to believe that if Todium brought any random dude to that fight, that Dalinar wouldn't have killed him/her on the spot, in order to save the world? Also Dalinar's plan has basically sent his own world back to the stone age, with only the parts of the world that worship an even god, having a power source. Not sure if that sits well with me. I guess the heroes had a lot of wins at the end of the other 4 books, so they needed to be taken down a peg, but dam, I didn't think Sanderon would take them down this much. the bad guys winning definitely creates a strange feeling, but this is the halfway point, i was expecting some of that. as for human moments, i think everything adolin does is awesome. it took me a few days to process dalinar's choice. i disagree with it, but i came to the conclusion that there were no good choices. killing gavinor would have merely shifted the problem to the future. while one may hope future generations to do better, it's most likely that taravangian would have been able to keep manipulating events to his advantage. in that light, what dalinar did was... i wouldn't call it wrong, nor right. he had a bunch of bad choices, he tried to pick a lesser evil. in his place, i'd have considered killing odium, making sure to shelter at least a few survivors to rebuild. an equally bad choice. 1
Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him Posted March 7, 2025 Posted March 7, 2025 On 3/6/2025 at 9:37 AM, sifth said: Not sure if that sits well with me. I guess the heroes had a lot of wins at the end of the other 4 books, so they needed to be taken down a peg, but dam, I didn't think Sanderon would take them down this much. Welcome to the Shard! I'm actually fascinated by this and would love if we could get a good survey of WaT readers, their enjoyment level of WaT, and "how long ago they started reading Sanderson", because I've started to notice (which could 100% just be my observational bias of comments on different platforms) that it seems those who came to Sanderson more recently and have binged SA in the last couple of years are enjoying WaT less than those who have been reading Sanderson longer. I wish I could get good data on that because I'd love to see if my observations are real or not As to WaT itself and how it ends... WaT is the Empire Strikes Back of the SA, the heroes are supposed to be at their low point right now in the 10 book narrative arc But it's not all gloom, there are many bright spots and there were wins had in almost every arena, even if they were relatively minor or unexpected ones. 2
sifth Posted March 8, 2025 Posted March 8, 2025 (edited) On 3/7/2025 at 12:46 PM, Green Hoodie Mistborn said: Welcome to the Shard! I'm actually fascinated by this and would love if we could get a good survey of WaT readers, their enjoyment level of WaT, and "how long ago they started reading Sanderson", because I've started to notice (which could 100% just be my observational bias of comments on different platforms) that it seems those who came to Sanderson more recently and have binged SA in the last couple of years are enjoying WaT less than those who have been reading Sanderson longer. I wish I could get good data on that because I'd love to see if my observations are real or not As to WaT itself and how it ends... WaT is the Empire Strikes Back of the SA, the heroes are supposed to be at their low point right now in the 10 book narrative arc But it's not all gloom, there are many bright spots and there were wins had in almost every arena, even if they were relatively minor or unexpected ones. Thanks, most appreciated. After talking with a good friend of mine, I thought of the main reason why I feel so conflicted on this book, more so then anything else I posted. I feel there is a lack of commitment in this book in some ways. Alright so Dalinar is dead...........expect sorta...........not really. Since an evil "shadow" of him was created to serve Todium, while his real soul was "claimed" by someone/thing else. Like how do I even process that? Is he dead or not? I feel this allows Sanderson to have his cake and eat it too. If he wants to keep Dalinar dead and simply have the heroes fight some evil clone of him later down the line, he can do that. However if he wants to bring him back to life down the line, he's free to do that as well. So this resulted in me, unable to feel any emotion from his "death", at the end of the story. Another example to me is Kharbranth. Kharbranth is destroyed, what an amazing chapter, Taravangian is a monster..................800 pages later.................nope, everyone's just fine. I'm sure it will be used by Sanderson down the line to bite Taravangian in the ass, but it still ruins for me, one of the best chapters in the book, IMO Edited March 8, 2025 by sifth 9
Nitpicking Posted March 9, 2025 Posted March 9, 2025 @sifth, I agree with basically everything you wrote. I think the message above helps me understand why I felt WaT ended with a letdown: Brandon backed away from a lot of the dramatic stuff that he made us think had happened. People need to be dead when they die. Sorry, Brandon, but they do. You talk a lot about "stakes", but if anything can happen to reverse anything that we see on the page, there are no stakes. 2
Kheran Posted April 9, 2025 Posted April 9, 2025 Finally finished the book this week, and my first reaction was.... All this for this ? The ending was very disappointing, especially with the character I loathe the most becoming one of the most powerful entity in the Cosmere. This trope is upsetting, and one of the reasons I never liked Game of Thrones, where the baddies win. The single redeeming story arc in the book was Adolin. Everything else was pretty mild, on the epic scale. Those book were my escape from the real world, but now, I don't even have this anymore, I don't even want to reread the previous books. And I don't even know if I'll be around for the 6th tome, my health not being the best. This is depressing. 2
Mason Wheeler Posted April 9, 2025 Posted April 9, 2025 8 hours ago, Kheran said: Finally finished the book this week, and my first reaction was.... All this for this ? The ending was very disappointing, especially with the character I loathe the most becoming one of the most powerful entity in the Cosmere. This trope is upsetting, and one of the reasons I never liked Game of Thrones, where the baddies win. I know! I've been keeping my ear to the ground and hearing a lot of reactions from a lot of people, and it seems like a common thread: "this book does things that I read Brandon because he does not do. This book betrays the whole point of being a Cosmere fan." 2
SpartanBrigade He/Him Posted April 9, 2025 Posted April 9, 2025 (edited) 4 hours ago, Mason Wheeler said: I know! I've been keeping my ear to the ground and hearing a lot of reactions from a lot of people, and it seems like a common thread: "this book does things that I read Brandon because he does not do. This book betrays the whole point of being a Cosmere fan." One thing to remember is this is the halfway point, the Empire Strikes Back and NOT the ending. We'll have our happy ending but not yet. It's sort of like if people said that The Well Of Ascension ruined Mistborn Era 1 or that Shadows Of Self ruined Era 2 and that both betrayed what it means to be a Cosmere fan. It's because these aren't the endings it's the halfway point. Edited April 9, 2025 by SpartanBrigade 1
ParaTulip fae/faer (declines as she/her) Posted April 9, 2025 Posted April 9, 2025 5 hours ago, SpartanBrigade said: It's sort of like if people said that The Well Of Ascension ruined Mistborn Era 1 or that Shadows Of Self ruined Era 2 and that both betrayed what it means to be a Cosmere fan. How does someone only get as far as Well of Ascension and decide they know what the whole vibe of the cosmere as a setting is like? 17 hours ago, Kheran said: All this for this ? The ending was very disappointing, especially with the character I loathe the most becoming one of the most powerful entity in the Cosmere. This trope is upsetting, and one of the reasons I never liked Game of Thrones, where the baddies win. I feel like the problem with WaT's ending is that RoW wasted the opportunity to actually explain "humans are the bad guys according to the Singers" in a way that resonated with the readers. If you view the ending of WaT from the perspective of the Singers, it is "Finally, we beat the voidbringers for the first time! Our era of peace and freedom has arrived! The endless suffering of the Fused may end." and stuff like that. It's not Empire Strikes Back for them. This is Return of the Jedi from their perspective. 1
king of nowhere Posted April 9, 2025 Posted April 9, 2025 4 minutes ago, ParaTulip said: I feel like the problem with WaT's ending is that RoW wasted the opportunity to actually explain "humans are the bad guys according to the Singers" in a way that resonated with the readers. If you view the ending of WaT from the perspective of the Singers, it is "Finally, we beat the voidbringers for the first time! Our era of peace and freedom has arrived! The endless suffering of the Fused may end." and stuff like that. It's not Empire Strikes Back for them. This is Return of the Jedi from their perspective. i cannot symphatyze with a group bent on subjugating and enslaving others on behalf of an evil god, despite their other circumstances. I especially cannot get worked up over something that happened 2500 years ago and that nobody alive remembers or understands, no matter how atrocious. especially because we know the leaders of the human coalition are reasonable people and an agreement could have been reached. an agreement was about to be reached, in azimir, before the fused show up. it's not a happy ending for the singers anyway. they are going to get used as fodder for the future cosmere conquest. 3
Mason Wheeler Posted April 9, 2025 Posted April 9, 2025 57 minutes ago, king of nowhere said: i cannot symphatyze with a group bent on subjugating and enslaving others on behalf of an evil god, despite their other circumstances. I especially cannot get worked up over something that happened 2500 years ago and that nobody alive remembers or understands, no matter how atrocious. especially because we know the leaders of the human coalition are reasonable people and an agreement could have been reached. an agreement was about to be reached, in azimir, before the fused show up. it's not a happy ending for the singers anyway. they are going to get used as fodder for the future cosmere conquest. Exactly this! The Voidbringers are the followers of Odium. A long, long time ago, that was the humans. Now it's not. Now it's the Singers. Either way, the Voidbringers are evil and are a threat to peace and stability on Roshar. Honestly, this is something that really bugged me about Oathbringer. The notion of collective guilt spanning millennia even though the facts on the ground are completely different today is utterly bizarre from a factual perspective, and from a moral perspective it simply cannot be squared with the religious doctrine that Brandon is supposed to adhere to, that "we believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for [an ancestor's] transgression." Neither the Radiants of old nor the people of modern Roshar should need Honor to set them straight on this point; it's obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. Between this and Syl telling Kaladin that he needs to do the right thing but she has no guidance as to what that actually entails, (despite being a self-proclaimed "piece of God,") and that he just needs to figure it out for himself, in hindsight it's looking painfully clear that Stormlight started going off the rails long before Wind and Truth, and the writing was just good enough that we were willing to overlook a lot of it. Until it finally wasn't. 1
Soccorro Posted April 10, 2025 Posted April 10, 2025 On 4/9/2025 at 1:52 PM, Kheran said: The ending was very disappointing, especially with the character I loathe the most becoming one of the most powerful entity in the Cosmere. I don’t know for sure but I’d guess Taravangian is one of BS’s favourite characters. I think he has said that Taravangian is the character he’s most proud of. In terms of writing quality, I mean. I personally don’t understand what’s so interesting and complex about character who only wins because all other characters lose their brain cells and act like utter morons. It’s not that Taravangian is smart, everyone around him is stupid and the plot itself bends around Taravangian to let him succeed. Poor Dalinar was character assassinated to let T win. Jasnah too 3
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