Penultimate(?) Release Chapters - 33

[BinarySecond]

Soon we get the whole damn thing. It feels like yesterday Kal was in a cage ripping up a map.

https://reactormag.com/read-wind-and-truth-by-brandon-sanderson-chapter-33/

 

I was fully expecting two chapters. I am excited.

 

Lift as Navani is funny to me; A queen eating a donner kebab.

Damn just a casual Ishar moment. Did he give Szeth voidbringer info as a child? Set him on this path?

Edited November 25, 2024 by BinarySecond

[Through the Living Shadow he/him]

ONE MORE WEEK!

*excitement*

Do we know why Ishar did not take Tal’s pain? Is it cuz he was on Braize, or was he purposefully excluding him?

I saw a theory somewhere saying the Herald’s insanities are all the direct opposite of what their strengths may be. I personally also believe those opposites may be the Ten Fools. If so, Ishar is exactly nine of the Ten Fools all combined.

And also nine… odium’s number.

[MarcieIsForager She/They]

Do we know how old Hoid actually is, cause even like a spren of Adonalsium calls him "the ancient one"

[BinarySecond]

3 minutes ago, SpiritOfWrath said:

ONE MORE WEEK!

*excitement*

Do we know why Ishar did not take Tal’s pain? Is it cuz he was on Braize, or was he purposefully excluding him?

I saw a theory somewhere saying the Herald’s insanities are all the direct opposite of what their strengths may be. I personally also believe those opposites may be the Ten Fools. If so, Ishar is exactly nine of the Ten Fools all combined.

And also nine… odium’s number.

I think that's a good theory - Taln was suffering anyway, the other could have a chance at life. I wonder if he's actually siphoning their stability to prop himself up. Is he making it worse and Taln is just the way he is because of 4000 years of torture?

Ishar is a lynchpin in all this and I'm excited to be here for it live from Roshar.

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Do we know how old Hoid actually is, cause even like a spren of Adonalsium calls him "the ancient one"

It's about 10,000 years since the shattering. So at least that old.

Edited November 25, 2024 by BinarySecond

[Through the Living Shadow he/him]

1 minute ago, MarcieIsForager said:

Do we know how old Hoid actually is, cause even like a spren of Adonalsium calls him "the ancient one"

From sunlit man

Spoiler

We know he was not always the worldhopper he is, but has pretty much always wished to be one.

But good catch…

Perhaps he is older than he seems… which is saying something.

That spren existed for a while before the Shattering… it may just be saying that Hoid is old compared to most everything else, but… also theory.

[the_archduke]

"The burdens of nine become mine" death rattle was referring to Ishar not Taln.  

Gavinor in the SR?!?  Is he going to get weirdly aged by time shenanigans?

 

And Ishar just talked like the Stormfaker!  Is that theory given new life?

Edited November 25, 2024 by the_archduke

[feruchemicalrockband]

I for sure think Ishar was making stuff up talking about taking everyone's pain onto himself. There's no way that's a true statement alongside stuff like "I'm God" and whatnot. I'd say it's more likely that Taln was taking the pain on himself instead, and that why he's so insane right now. When Taln has lucidity, he's way more sane than Ash is, when Dalinar swearing the 3rd should have only taken away the magical mental issues, not the physical trauma.

[BinarySecond]

1 minute ago, the_archduke said:

"The burdens of nine become mine" death rattle was referring to Ishar not Taln.  

Gavinor in the SR?!?  Is he going to get weirdly aged by time shenanigans?

 

And Ishar just talked like the Stormfaker!  Is that theory given new life?

It would be odd to refer to burdens of 9 become mine if one of the burdens is already yours; if that makes sense?

 

Poor Gav, but he might get to meet Elhokar a little bit. A little bit of family reconnection, as a treat.

Stormfaker can't keep getting away with this. How many little bits of Honour are spread around for the taking?! Did Tanavast do an Ambition??

[The Stick]

Wait, Hoid had nine shadows, scary.

Ishar seems to be the one to motivate Szeth to genocide. Could it be that Dai Gonarthis was never really an Unmade but just Ishar.

The scene with Lift seeing her optimal self in the perpendicularity seems like Allomantic gold to me, probably SR shenanigans.

Szeth's monologue went so strong. It seems like he has the same attitude as Wayne, just way more insane.

Kaladin regressing back into his depression is not good.

[+robardin he/him]

6 minutes ago, the_archduke said:

"The burdens of nine become mine" death rattle was referring to Ishar not Taln.  

Gavinor in the SR?!?  Is he going to get weirdly aged by time shenanigans?

And Ishar just talked like the Stormfaker!  Is that theory given new life?

YAAAASSSSS

I wonder when Ishar reclaimed his Honorblade?

And what is the deal with Ishar bursting with Light and all that? Is this more of his being a Bondsmith Unchained, or something even more?

Has Dalinar officially named himself his own Champions for Contest purposes? Or does a champion of Honor simply have to show up for the contest?

It possibly ending up in a default / broken pact if Dalinar cannot personally show up above Urithiru on the tenth hour 8 days from his disappearance into the SR is certainly a twist I never anticipated...

[BinarySecond]

6 minutes ago, The Stick said:

Wait, Hoid had nine shadows, scary.

Ishar seems to be the one to motivate Szeth to genocide. Could it be that Dai Gonarthis was never really an Unmade but just Ishar.

The scene with Lift seeing her optimal self in the perpendicularity seems like Allomantic gold to me, probably SR shenanigans.

Szeth's monologue went so strong. It seems like he has the same attitude as Wayne, just way more insane.

Kaladin regressing back into his depression is not good.

Where did Hoid have 9 shadows?

Seems that Ishar had some influence on Szeth early on.

Kaladin is hanging in there; he shall prevail!

 

Heck! Sleepless all over the tower! What do they want? Which one is it? Is it the Ghostblood member?

Edited November 25, 2024 by BinarySecond

[TwinStorm He/Him]

So on Brandon's podcast he has a bad story idea called Weekend at Vader's with an Actual Zombie, about these people who accidentally kill Darth Vader and have to pretend he's still alive, and I think Brandon is doing a spin on that idea with Wit and Lift having to pretend Dalinar is still there with Lightweavings and stuff. 

[feruchemicalrockband]

It's interesting that Ishar had no idea who Kaladin was, but seems to be aware of all the other characters. I wonder if he knows about Shallan?

The Sleepless seemed to know about the main 4, Odium was likely aware of all of them as well. It's strange if Ishar was only unaware of Kaladin.

[Ninth of the Night]

Oh man what a chapter. So much to unpack.

18 minutes ago, SpiritOfWrath said:

Do we know why Ishar did not take Tal’s pain? Is it cuz he was on Braize, or was he purposefully excluding him?

Yeah it's because he was on Braize. Ishar had no way of reaching him, therefore no way to siphon off any pain, plus Taln was still being tortured so it would do no good regardless. The other Heralds had to occasionally visit Ishar for some healing sessions.

A small detail I noticed, when Hoid draws in Stormlight it doesn't mention him breathing it in. I think this is the first time we see someone take in Stormlight without any motion to facilitate the process. We knew this was possible of course, it's just cool to see Hoid's mastery of Investiture.

Speaking of which, I think Hoid confirmed that Lift is a Dawnshard. What else could cause her to be so highly Invested?

[BinarySecond]

That's a really good point. Ishar has been watching people for a long time it would seem. Kaladin seems like a Raziel-esque figure in this story. Unpreditable wild card.

[Wanguu He/Him]

4 minutes ago, Ninth of the Night said:

Speaking of which, I think Hoid confirmed that Lift is a Dawnshard. What else could cause her to be so highly Invested?

Direct intervention of a shard, perhaps.

[CognitiveShadow he/him]

18 minutes ago, The Stick said:

Wait, Hoid had nine shadows, scary.

Where was this? I thought he just had one but it was in the wrong direction?

Also, just want to brag about being correct that the collapsing perpendicularity would suck in the people nearby! Called it 

[teknopathetic he/him]

“Stormblessed? I didn’t bless you?”

*StormFaker fans perk up* 

Edited November 25, 2024 by teknopathetic

[Through the Living Shadow he/him]

1 minute ago, teknopathetic said:

“Stormblessed? I didn’t bless you?”

*StormFaker fans perk up* 

*STORMFAKER!!!!!*
I know that isn’t an action… but still.

Stormfaker is here.

[TwinStorm He/Him]

23 minutes ago, feruchemicalrockband said:

It's interesting that Ishar had no idea who Kaladin was, but seems to be aware of all the other characters. I wonder if he knows about Shallan?

The Sleepless seemed to know about the main 4, Odium was likely aware of all of them as well. It's strange if Ishar was only unaware of Kaladin.

Maybe Honor's influence is protecting him? like Odium can touch Dalinar.

[Isilel]

I knew it! The Ghostbloods collapsed the perpendicularity to get sucked into the Spiritual realm. In fact, they may have intended to do so the whole time. 

This makes me wonder if they might have a deal with Odium... Though if Iyatil actually cares about the safety of  Scadrial even a little bit, this would be counter-productive. It is interesting that Dalinar being prevented from appearing by another is accounted for in the deal... So if it could be proven that the Ghostbloods are responsible, there might be a way to lawyer their way out of disaster even if he is late?

Poor Gavinor! It seems that people who foresaw this were right. Might the "suckling child" now happen in the Spiritual Realm instead of during the Duel?

Wit and Lift are cosplaying as Dalinar and Navani?! And Hoid seems to have a cordial relationship with the Sleepless, who has been spying on the whole thing, and whose cremling he rescued, hm... 

Speaking of Lift - is there something special about her mother? It would be very funny if it turned out that _she_ is a daughter of a Herald, instead of Shallan.

Wow, Kaladin's part is explosive! And his bumbling is pretty endearing and believable. Is Ishar trying to pick up Honor? Intriguing,  that he claims to be responsible for Szeth's exile and supports his quest. Also, could whatever he is doing to the other Heralds account for them considering him sane, when he clearly isn't? Is he making them worse instead of better? 
I also really disliked him eyeing Syl like that - more fodder for her being made corporeal in the Physical, I guess.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Isilel

[Ashbringer he/him]

4 minutes ago, Isilel said:

Poor Gavinor! It seems that people who foresaw this were right. Might the "suckling child" now happen in the Spiritual Realm instead of during the Duel?

My mind is saying the "knife" might be Dalinar needing to leave Gavinor behind in the Spiritual Realm in order to get back on time.

[Ewery1]

3 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

My mind is saying the "knife" might be Dalinar needing to leave Gavinor behind in the Spiritual Realm in order to get back on time.

It’s probably nothing but a weird coincidence that Shallan’s nickname by Mraize is Little Knife.

[teknopathetic he/him]

58 minutes ago, the_archduke said:

"The burdens of nine become mine" death rattle was referring to Ishar not Taln.  

Gavinor in the SR?!?  Is he going to get weirdly aged by time shenanigans?

 

And Ishar just talked like the Stormfaker!  Is that theory given new life?

But all the Heralds think Ishar is the most sane usually? So…. How is that working? 
 

I don’t think I trust or believe Ishar on this one. If anything, I could see him pushing his pain on the regular heralds or somehow sending all his pain to Taln somehow 

Edited November 25, 2024 by teknopathetic

[Elder]

Perhaps the Ghostblood spy in Urithiru is in fact the Sleepless.  In fact that makes more sense than anything.  
 

I’m not sure that any the crazy herald says is evidence of anything.  Just sayin’.

It also seems like the Wind is on the same side as Honor.  That Odium was the one who suppressed the Wind. So much for the idea of the Shards being Usurpers.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Elder