Chapters 27 and 28

[BinarySecond]

https://reactormag.com/read-wind-and-truth-by-brandon-sanderson-chapters-27-and-28/

 

For your reading pleasure, 1 month to go (almost)!

 

My man Szeth is getting a stew whether he wants it or not.

Edited November 4, 2024 by BinarySecond

[the_archduke]

Testament is only mostly dead if she can form a shield.

And apparently Mraize and/or Iyatil can Elsecall.

Really short chapters today

[CtrlAltDepressed]

hmmmm, the antilight section was interesting. 

 

Plate and shield should be fine against a bolt with light. The bolts are not made from godmetal, so they should just bounce off of shardplate and shardshield before transferring the light. 

 

Only if they are using Raysium points should the plate or shield be in danger. Feels like Shallan didnt need to do that. 

Edited November 4, 2024 by CtrlAltDepressed

[Ookla she/her]

Kaladin's making soup for Szeth! Kaladin's making soup for Szeth!

Also, fascinating tidbits about Anti-Stormlight. The fact that Shallan can take it in without causing overt harm to herself is particularly interesting. Could potentially mean that a Radiant could turn themselves into a walking nuclear/Investiture bomb if they wanted to. 

[Atlas333]

12 minutes ago, the_archduke said:

And apparently Mraize and/or Iyatil can Elsecall.

Makes sense considering their msision. But that means that they've either bonded light spren or ink spren. It could be either but my money is on Ink Spren. We've seen ink spren already accept enlightenment and as far as I'm aware light spren prefer parshendi.

[BinarySecond]

10 minutes ago, CtrlAltDepressed said:

Only if they are using Raysium points should the plate or shield be in danger. Feels like Shallan didnt need to do that

"The bolt had a metal tip, with a gemstone clipped into the shaft"

It has a Raysium point. It "injected" Shallan with Anti-Stormlight.

 

I also think Lieke is probably the one who transferred them to Shadesmar.

Edited November 4, 2024 by BinarySecond

[CtrlAltDepressed]

1 minute ago, BinarySecond said:

"The bolt had a metal tip, with a gemstone clipped into the shaft"

It has a Raysium point. It "injected" Shallan with Anti-Stormlight.

Could very well be the case, but I don't think this is confirmed. Raysium seems really rare to be strapping it to crossbow bolts. 

[Ninth of the Night]

6 minutes ago, CtrlAltDepressed said:

Only if they are using Raysium points should the plate or shield be in danger. Feels like Shallan didnt need to do that. 

I was thinking along similar lines while reading that scene, but it makes sense considering she has no idea what the full capabilities of Anti-Light are. I was just thinking it's gonna be funny when she learns her Armor could tank that hit. Though she likely won't regret it anyway since the wound was informational for her.

Or maybe we were misled and Armor would actually suffer some noticable damage? We know it and Shardweapons are "more resistant" but it could still hurt them. Enough to where a Radiant still wouldn't want to risk it. Hmm.

7 minutes ago, Atlas333 said:

Makes sense considering their msision. But that means that they've either bonded light spren or ink spren. It could be either but my money is on Ink Spren. We've seen ink spren already accept enlightenment and as far as I'm aware light spren prefer parshendi.

Yeah my immediate assumption was Elsecallers. Makes the most sense.

[The Stick]

The Elscalling was interesting. I would say that the dark violet light appearing around them suggests that they were using enlightened spren, and using Voidlight to power them. I would guess they are  probably Elsecallers, because Brandon does not have that many yet.

I also thought the Szeth chapter was invaluable. We now know that the Monastery of Taln was invaded. This could potentially allow us to try to figure out which Unmade is linked to Stonwards, to see if it is Dai-Gonarthis or Chemoarish. I will look at the gem chart.

Edit: I looked at the chart, and Taln is associated with Topaz and Stone. This connection to Stone reinforces a potential Chemoarish connection.

Edited November 4, 2024 by The Stick

[logicless.bt]

Makes sense that ink spren would accept enlightenment, given Elsecallers' general vibes. I'd be bummed if the Ghostbloods have more Elsecallers than the Radiants do now.

Hoping we get to explore this Unmade pretty thoroughly

[teknopathetic he/him]

I’m worried that the Sting Operation was a trap. 
 

My gut tells me that Shallan will take all those off-world artifacts to Navani, and one of those artifacts will let the Ghostbloods get in. 

[BinarySecond]

15 minutes ago, CtrlAltDepressed said:

Could very well be the case, but I don't think this is confirmed. Raysium seems really rare to be strapping it to crossbow bolts. 

If there is another metal that can transport Investiture we don't know about sure; but Shallan feels the Anti-Stormlight:

"In this case, it injected the anti-Light, making it seep through her. It wasn’t painful, not compared to the actual wound, but it was wrong. A cold that prowled through her veins, carried through her body with every beat of her heart."

And:

"She decided not to try, as it did not seem to be able to hurt her so long as she set her jaw against the pain and refused the normal Stormlight that would heal her. Because if those two met…"

If there's another metal that can do it, great! Ghostbloods seem to have access to materials most would consider difficult or rare.

[CtrlAltDepressed]

1 minute ago, BinarySecond said:

If there's another metal that can do it, great! Ghostbloods seem to have access to materials most would consider difficult or rare.

If any group found an alternative to Raysium, it would be the Scadrians!

[BinarySecond]

1 minute ago, CtrlAltDepressed said:

If any group found an alternative to Raysium, it would be the Scadrians!

I'd bet dollar to donuts (is that the phrase?) their knowledge of alloys and alloy production (and alloy accessories) will produce some fantastic results

[alder24]

Shallan got hit with anti-Stormlight gemstone, surprisingly she was mostly fine because she didn’t breathe it in. This seems kind of the opposite to what was shown to us in RoW, when Raboniel killed her daughter - it just reacted directly with her soul, no breathing required. But we did have a WoB asking a question like this that said if a person is invested enough he will live, but it won’t be a fun time - it checks out. 

In the end I'm still disappointed by the total lack of preparation from Ghostbloods. They did nothing, they just run away, no secret off-world weapons, no technology ready to be used against Radiants - nothing. I've expected too much from them and now I'm just utterly disappointed by how this eneded.

And we now know what spren did Mraize or Iyatil bond - Inkspren, Lightspren or Cryptics - all three allow them to travel to CR physically, but Cryptics aren’t so obvious to use. I doubt Lightspren agreed to be Enlightened when they all decided to bond with Singers and that leaves Inkspren as the most likely candidate. And we’ve seen Corrupted Inkspren already so I bet at least one of them is bonded with an Inkspren.

I think one of the reasons why there are no Lifespren in Shinovar is because those aren’t plants native to Roshar. No surprise here, but Rosharan plants probably need Lifespren to infuse plants with Stormlight - a mechanism amplified by the proper Rhythm, used by Parshendi and later Rlain in RoW ch 15 to increase the rate at which plants were growing. Shin flora don't need investiture to grow, they don’t need Stormlight and Lifespren just aren’t attracted to them. 

[listerfeend]

I completely disagree that the bolts would even need to penetrate the Plate or Shield for it to be devastating. At that point, the bolt would crrrrrunch into the Plate/Shield, similar to a car crashing into an impervious wall, obliterating the gemstone and crashing that anti-light directly into the Investiture made solid of whatever it was hitting, annihilating on contact with any part of the Spren that it is coming into contact with. Whether or not this is enough to completely kill a Spren, I don't know, but I do feel the effect would be devastating.

Edited November 4, 2024 by listerfeend

[Ookla she/her]

2 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Shallan got hit with anti-Stormlight gemstone, surprisingly she was mostly fine because she didn’t breathe it in.

I'm a little confused. The chapter says she felt it inside her; no, she didn't breathe it in, but why would that make a difference if it's being transferred into her by an external force? I don't think I'm catching the point you're making here. Please elaborate.

[the_archduke]

If Mraize/Iyatil/Lieke are Elsecallers that could be terrifying.  Scadrians with access to soulcasting!  If you can soulcast metals, it makes allomancers with nigh-infinite ammo.

[Ookla she/her]

1 minute ago, the_archduke said:

If Mraize/Iyatil/Lieke are Elsecallers that could be terrifying.  Scadrians with access to soulcasting!  If you can soulcast metals, it makes allomancers with nigh-infinite ammo.

I just realized that Hoid can do this, because he is both Mistborn and a Lightweaver. We probably haven't seen it because of the whole can't-harm-things restriction he has, though. 

[listerfeend]

3 minutes ago, Ookla said:

I'm a little confused. The chapter says she felt it inside her; no, she didn't breathe it in, but why would that make a difference if it's being transferred into her by an external force? I don't think I'm catching the point you're making here. Please elaborate.

We seem to be making a distinction between Fused and Humans in this case. Raboniel didn't need to "breathe" the Anti-Light in to annihilate her soul, but for some reason a Human would. I'm not entirely sure why that would be the case, except maybe a Fused's spirit-web is more accessible through the physical body than a normal human's would be?

[Wanguu He/Him]

17 minutes ago, BinarySecond said:

If there is another metal that can transport Investiture we don't know about sure; but Shallan feels the Anti-Stormlight:

 

Is it possible that it is Trellium? I know Trellium pushes away investiture, maybe it attracts anti-investiture?

 

  

11 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Shallan got hit with anti-Stormlight gemstone, surprisingly she was mostly fine because she didn’t breathe it in. This seems kind of the opposite to what was shown to us in RoW, when Raboniel killed her daughter - it just reacted directly with her soul, no breathing required. But we did have a WoB asking a question like this that said if a person is invested enough he will live, but it won’t be a fun time - it checks out. 

I believe that it would also annihilate a Herald in a similar way. Radiants are people, while Fused are cognitive shadows, no? 

Edited November 4, 2024 by Wanguu
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[StanLemon]

Iyatil was able to track the real Shallan. Luck? Skill? Bronze?

[Ookla she/her]

1 minute ago, listerfeend said:

We seem to be making a distinction between Fused and Humans in this case. Raboniel didn't need to "breathe" the Anti-Light in to annihilate her soul, but for some reason a Human would. I'm not entirely sure why that would be the case, except maybe a Fused's spirit-web is more accessible through the physical body than a normal human's would be?

Thanks! That helps a bunch! 

[+Oltux72 he/him]

1 minute ago, listerfeend said:

We seem to be making a distinction between Fused and Humans in this case. Raboniel didn't need to "breathe" the Anti-Light in to annihilate her soul, but for some reason a Human would. I'm not entirely sure why that would be the case, except maybe a Fused's spirit-web is more accessible through the physical body than a normal human's would be?

She is a Cognitive Shadow. Her soul, or the fossil of her soul depending on your stance on this, is made from voidlight.

[alder24]

10 minutes ago, Ookla said:

I'm a little confused. The chapter says she felt it inside her; no, she didn't breathe it in, but why would that make a difference if it's being transferred into her by an external force? I don't think I'm catching the point you're making here. Please elaborate.

There is a difference between those two things - the chapter made a point about it. I think the difference is that anti-light was in her body, but was not "touching" her soul. She could try drawing it in (breathing it in) and that would make it interact with her soul, annihilating parts of it. 

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This feeling was unnatural, counter to her very nature, but… she felt she could have drawn it in like normal Light. She decided not to try, as it did not seem to be able to hurt her so long as she set her jaw against the pain and refused the normal Stormlight that would heal her. 

Here is the WoB I've mentioned before. It said it's survivable for highly invested individuals, but it did suggest anti-investiture would interact with the soul, annihilating parts of it - the bolt should be devastating to Shallan and yet nothing but pain happened to her. 

Spoiler

Questioner

What would happen if a Mistborn ingested anti-lerasium or anti-atium, assuming they don't explode?

Brandon Sanderson

If you are not highly Invested yourself, and you get the anti[-Investiture], it's not gonna be a fun time. You won't explode, but it will kill you, almost assuredly. Not a fun time, but not an explosively not-a-fun-time, just a regular old not-a-fun-time. Maybe a little bit like pouring molten metal down your throat.

Dragonsteel 2023 (Nov. 21, 2023)

 

3 minutes ago, StanLemon said:

Iyatil was able to track the real Shallan. Luck? Skill? Bronze?

As an Elsecaller, she could just look into CR to see where the real Shallan went. 

 

Edit:

3 minutes ago, Wanguu said:

I believe that it would also annihilate a Herald in a similar way. Radiants are people, while Fused are cognitive shadows, no?

True, that could be the reason, but a normal soul still is made out of raw investiture, it should work the same as with Fused. It didn't. 

Edited November 4, 2024 by alder24