The truth behind vorinism and the future of the knights Radiant

[bmcclure7]

I think I’ve cracked the case I can now harmonize sunlit Man with the epigraphs, and it all comes back to chapter 10 and vorinism 

We know that Brandon likes to make his religions true are at least based on truth. We can assume that vorinism is no exception so what is the truth behind vorinism? 
 

In chapter 10, we see that at least some animals that bond with Spren seem to live on after they die as Spren so what if the same is true for humans what if a 5th ideal radiant can live on as some kind of Spren after death. 
 

Vorin theology teaches that if you are really good at your “calling “ you can join the heralds in to fight the void bringers in the afterlife what if originally it was that if you are really good in your order and reach 5 ideal you can become a spren after death and fight the voidbringers in the cognitive realm? 

what if that is the future of the knights radiant they all swear the 5th ideal Becoming Spren and go to damnation to fight the void bringers?

This would explain much would harmonize what we learning about the orders in Sunlit Man, and the epigraphs in insistence that the Spren have retreated from mankind. 
 

It would also explain why back half it said to be focused around the Harolds not the knights. 
 

Am I crazy or am I perhaps on to something?

Edited September 3, 2024 by bmcclure7

[Isilel]

2 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

some animals that bond with Spren seem to live on after they die as Spren

 

IMHO it was just Sureblood's former bonded spren.

[bmcclure7]

13 hours ago, Isilel said:

 

IMHO it was just Sureblood's former bonded spren.

It seem to act like it is sureblood through 

[LewsTherinTelescope]

4 hours ago, bmcclure7 said:

It seem to act like it is sureblood through 

Given the way Gallant acts as if he's used to galloping without gravity, I suspect that for them the spren and horse minds aren't as distinct as for a Radiant, especially since their intelligence comes from the bond in the first place.

[therunner he/him]

I like the idea!

I am on my re-read, and it did strike me as odd how Vorinist afterlife is supposed to function (fighting to conquer Tranquilline Halls alongside Heralds), and this would explain that, since a lot of Vorinism is based on how Radiants were perceived.

 

[+Child of Hodor]

The "fight to take other worlds" thing in Vorinism was Odium's whole plan to use Roshar as a training ground for his troops in a "a battle of the gods" in the wider Cosmere. 

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I need soldiers. For the true battle that is coming, not for one people or one miserable windswept continent. A battle of the gods. A battle for everything. Roshar is a training ground. The time will come that I unleash you upon the others who are not nearly as well trained.

- Rayse in RoW Ch. 112 Terms 

It is true that a 5th ideal radiant would be more invested than most beings because the bond has seeped deeper into their spiritweb. This would give them an opportunity to stick around longer than the average person, but I don't think it's enough for them to stick around indefinitely. There would need to be Shard intervention like Preservation pushing Kelsier into the well in SH, Endowment making Returned, Odium making the dead singers into Fused or Honor making the Oathpact with the Heralds. 

[Diomedes]

On 9/4/2024 at 3:15 PM, Child of Hodor said:

The "fight to take other worlds" thing in Vorinism was Odium's whole plan to use Roshar as a training ground for his troops in a "a battle of the gods" in the wider Cosmere. 

But Odium didn`t invent Vorinism did he? So its more like he is using this to his advantage. Unless he was secretly influencing people somehow all these millenia. 

[+Oltux72 he/him]

On 9/4/2024 at 3:15 PM, Child of Hodor said:

There would need to be Shard intervention like Preservation pushing Kelsier into the well in SH, Endowment making Returned, Odium making the dead singers into Fused or Honor making the Oathpact with the Heralds. 

Did they stop with the Heralds? Is it possible that Honor and Cultivation made an army of Cognitive Shadows precisely for that war?

[Through the Living Wrath he/him]

On 9/13/2024 at 6:41 PM, Diomedes said:

But Odium didn`t invent Vorinism did he? So it’s more like he is using this to his advantage. Unless he was secretly influencing people somehow all these millenia. 

Remember, Honor was not the human’s Shard. Honor was first working with the Parshendi. Odium is the one who brought the humans to Roshar (the whole “weeeee are the voidbringers morale debate”)

[Lightspine]

On 9/13/2024 at 6:41 PM, Diomedes said:

But Odium didn`t invent Vorinism did he? So its more like he is using this to his advantage. Unless he was secretly influencing people somehow all these millenia. 

I actually think the modern version of vorinism is "tainted" and in many ways describes the situation from the perspective of the Dawnsingers, with Odium as the "Almighty" better than it does the humans.

The Dawnsingers were pushed out of Roshar (the "Tranquiline Halls") by the voidbringers (humans) who came from Ashyn ("Damnation"). The original Dawnsingers now fight on in their afterlife to reclaim the "Tranquiline Halls". 

This fits much more neatly than the narrative that humans are somehow fighting to reclaim Ashyn in the afterlife after being kicked out by voidbringers coming from Braize, which is the face-value interpretation given to us by the books.

But I also think it could totally be foreshadowing for Odium using Roshar as a training grounds for his war on the rest of the Cosmere.