Kaladin's Rock?

[CognitiveShadow he/him]

Wondering if anyone has any ideas on the rock that Kaladin finds in his bag, which Leyton is surprised to see and says he didn't put there?

Could it potentially be Szeth's oathstone? Or do we know what happened to his oathstone? I'm thinking if Dalinar and co. have the oath stone, maybe Kaladin asked that they send it down to be packed with his things so that he could have it in case it is useful while he travels with Szeth. Obviously Szeth wouldn't accept it as a binding thing anymore, but I wonder if he wants it as a visual reminder for Szeth of how he was following oaths / orders when he committed all the atrocities he did. Maaaaybe that helps calm the voices in Szeth's head a little bit? Idk, just spitballing.

Also saw a theory that maybe Syl had put it into the bag as like a surprise because she knows small pretty rocks are special to Kaladin because Tien used to give him things like that?

[Texside he/him/his]

I'm going to place a bet that it's Tien's former spren. We don't know for sure that Tien's former spren is around, but we know they're not a deadeye; it stands to reason they could be around.

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Drew Berg

Is Tien's spren still around, or are they recovering like Syl did after her prior Radiant's death?

Brandon Sanderson

We'll RAFO that for now. Tien's spren is not going to be a deadeye. Tien didn't break his oaths, Tien was killed. So we'll RAFO what's up with his spren for now. But you can rest assured that it's not any of that.

YouTube Spoiler Stream 1 (Dec. 17, 2020)

Tien's former spren trying to help Kaladin feels fitting.

I'm not sure about the Oathstone. Do we know what it looks like? I can't recall.

Edited August 26, 2024 by Texside

[Erklitt]

 

I'm wondering about that rock too.

I don't think it's Szeth's. As @CognitiveShadow said, he doesn't consider himself bound to it anymore, and it's very unlike Kaladin to keep something for the purpose of exerting pressure on anyone. 

I think it more likely to have something to do with Tien. 

30 minutes ago, CognitiveShadow said:

maybe Syl had put it into the bag

This made me check whether Syl had gone to 'fetch her things' before or after Kaladin finds the rock. It's after, so she's not referring to that. 

12 minutes ago, Texside said:

I'm going to place a bet that it's Tien's former spren.

Good catch! Though I'm rather betting it's the spren's new Radiant. A spren would have trouble moving a stone. Since they've not shown themselves yet, it's probably a rather new bond. Remember Syl's trouble with the blackbane leaves? Anyway, I'll watch out for Tien's former spren's new Radiant!

 

 

 

Edited August 26, 2024 by Erklitt

[Ailvara]

11 minutes ago, Texside said:

Tien's former spren trying to help Kaladin feels fitting.

Maybe that's why he'll need to do an impression of Edgedancer oaths!

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All agree the first key moment came when Kaladin Stormblessed listened. Though not an Edgedancer, he did a fine impression of their oaths.

[alder24]

28 minutes ago, CognitiveShadow said:

Wondering if anyone has any ideas on the rock that Kaladin finds in his bag, which Leyton is surprised to see and says he didn't put there?

Could it potentially be Szeth's oathstone? Or do we know what happened to his oathstone? I'm thinking if Dalinar and co. have the oath stone, maybe Kaladin asked that they send it down to be packed with his things so that he could have it in case it is useful while he travels with Szeth. Obviously Szeth wouldn't accept it as a binding thing anymore, but I wonder if he wants it as a visual reminder for Szeth of how he was following oaths / orders when he committed all the atrocities he did. Maaaaybe that helps calm the voices in Szeth's head a little bit? Idk, just spitballing.

Also saw a theory that maybe Syl had put it into the bag as like a surprise because she knows small pretty rocks are special to Kaladin because Tien used to give him things like that?

Tien's rock Fortune thingy probably. I think it's just a stone that accidentally landed in the pocket - due to Fortune.

I doubt it's Szeth's oathstone. The last time Szeth heard about someone having an oathstone drew him to insanity so it's definitely not a good idea to remind him of what he used to be via a stone. 

12 minutes ago, Texside said:

I'm going to place a bet that it's Tien's former spren. We don't know for sure that Tien's former spren is around, but we know they're not a deadeye; it stands to reason they could be around.

Tien's former spren trying to help Kaladin feels fitting.

I doubt it. It has been years and a spren wihtout a person loses their mind. Tien's former spren probably moved on to a new Lightweaver, if not they got stuck unable to think.

12 minutes ago, Texside said:

I'm not sure about the Oathstone. Do we know what it looks like? I can't recall.

It has some quartz, but it's just any stone with quartz - WoK I-3:

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The man plucked a twinkling, sphere-size chunk of rock from the hand of the man counting the spheres. It was fairly ordinary, a simple piece of rock with a few quartz crystals set into it and a rusty vein of iron on one side.

RoW I-7:

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“The stone is the oddest request,” the messenger woman said. “Why would he have need of a perfectly round, smooth stone? And why would he specify one with a vein of quartz?”
Szeth’s heart nearly stopped. A round stone. With quartz inclusions?
[...]
A round stone.
With quartz inclusions.
An Oathstone.

 

[CognitiveShadow he/him]

13 minutes ago, Texside said:

'm going to place a bet that it's Tien's former spren. We don't know for sure that Tien's former spren is around, but we know they're not a deadeye; it stands to reason they could be around.

4 minutes ago, Erklitt said:

Though I'm rather betting it's the spren's new Radiant.

I really like the idea of Tien's former spren bonding someone new and encouraging them to do little things for Kaladin here and there that they know Tien would want done. Seems like a really plausible answer!

6 minutes ago, Erklitt said:

it's very unlike Kaladin to keep something for the purpose of exerting pressure on anyone. 

Fair, but I wasn't envisioning Kaladin using it to exert pressure or anything. I was envisioning more so using it as a prop to help guide their therapy discussions or something. Or maybe there is some later tie in with an entity similar to the Wind that is more tied to Stone and how it's considered sacred by the Shin. Maybe there is more backstory to how oathstones are formed or used (if they aren't just random rocks that the truthless is made to swear an oath to). 

It did seem like Kaladin wasn't too surprised to see the stone, and it also seemed like he didn't want to call attention to it or explain what it was. This made me think it might have been something he specifically requested but on the down low.

4 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Tien's rock Fortune thingy probably. I think it's just a stone that accidentally landed in the pocket - due to Fortune.

Just read up on the Tien fortune stuff. I can see that, but it seems like a lot to have that happen with the horse and then again with the stone..? And the way Kal just brushed it off as not a big deal makes me think that if it is tied to Tien Fortune stuff, then it's happening even more than we are seeing on screen and he is just used to it by now..?

Plus I kind of feel like the extreme emotional outburst that Szeth might have when seeing the stone could be good for him in some ways lol just to see it as a paper tiger or something, and maybe Kal gives it to Szeth to show him that he is in control of himself and his actions or something like that. I like the symbolism of Szeth owning himself through the oathstone in a way.

[alder24]

2 minutes ago, CognitiveShadow said:

Just read up on the Tien fortune stuff. I can see that, but it seems like a lot to have that happen with the horse and then again with the stone..? And the way Kal just brushed it off as not a big deal makes me think that if it is tied to Tien Fortune stuff, then it's happening even more than we are seeing on screen and he is just used to it by now..?

It's not the first time when Kaladin picks up a random rock from the ground, watered it to see hidden patterns - just like Tien did. So yeah, he's used to it by now (probably not that random rocks appear out of nowhere, but rather to remembering Tien's love for them).

4 minutes ago, CognitiveShadow said:

Plus I kind of feel like the extreme emotional outburst that Szeth might have when seeing the stone could be good for him in some ways lol just to see it as a paper tiger or something, and maybe Kal gives it to Szeth to show him that he is in control of himself and his actions or something like that. I like the symbolism of Szeth owning himself through the oathstone in a way.

But Szeth already KNOWS that he isn't owned by anyone - he proved it when killing Taravangian. He doesn't need any rock, he isn't bound to an Oathstone anymore. He is in control, he decides. He understands that it was always just a rock, that he was never Truthless.

[Texside he/him/his]

6 minutes ago, CognitiveShadow said:

I really like the idea of Tien's former spren bonding someone new and encouraging them to do little things for Kaladin here and there that they know Tien would want done. Seems like a really plausible answer!

I like this too! I think @Erklitt is right on the money there; Tien's spren alone couldn't but their new Radiant could. There is the question of whether they'd still have memories, but I gather those can come back after a bond is formed?

Just now, alder24 said:

But Szeth already KNOWS that he isn't owned by anyone - he proved it when killing Taravangian. He doesn't need any rock, he isn't bound to an Oathstone anymore. He is in control, he decides. He understands that it was always just a rock, that he was never Truthless.

I think it could be one of those things where Szeth knows it intellectually and somewhat emotionally, but coming face to face with the Oathstone and realizing it has no power over him could be cathartic. I'm not 100% sold on the theory, but I can see where that could be helpful for him in healing. Seeing a thing he hated and feared, and realizing he's grown past it.

[CognitiveShadow he/him]

3 minutes ago, alder24 said:

It's not the first time when Kaladin picks up a random rock from the ground, watered it to see hidden patterns - just like Tien did. So yeah, he's used to it by now (probably not that random rocks appear out of nowhere, but rather to remembering Tien's love for them).

Yeah, but I feel like there's a big difference between noticing a rock on the ground and washing it off in memory of his brother vs. having a rock just appear in his designated 'special items' pouch in his bag that was just packed. To me this rock/stone seems to be of more significance than that

5 minutes ago, alder24 said:

But Szeth already KNOWS that he isn't owned by anyone - he proved it when killing Taravangian. He doesn't need any rock, he isn't bound to an Oathstone anymore. He is in control, he decides. He understands that it was always just a rock, that he was never Truthless.

I get that, but he's also super unstable. So I wonder if having that physical object in his own hands, representing his own control over his actions, could come in handy (pun not intended but noticed and left as if it was intentional). Especially since his current allegiance is sworn to Dalinar who will be nowhere in sight, I could see Kaladin wanting to have the oath stone with him just in case it could be useful. Who knows what Szeth would do if he brought it out - could go horribly wrong or perfectly well. Or both?

 

5 minutes ago, Texside said:

I think it could be one of those things where Szeth knows it intellectually and somewhat emotionally, but coming face to face with the Oathstone and realizing it has no power over him could be cathartic. I'm not 100% sold on the theory, but I can see where that could be helpful for him in healing. Seeing a thing he hated and feared, and realizing he's grown past it.

Totally, this is right in line with what I'm thinking. When he last saw it he murdered the guy who made him murder a bunch of people, so maybe in a more controlled setting he and his new therapist can start talking about how Szeth feels when he sees his old Oathstone, especially in the hands of someone who previously killed him but is now unarmed and handing it to him peacefully... idk but there could be some sort of a healing or cathartic experience there.

[Erklitt]

36 minutes ago, Texside said:

There is the question of whether they'd still have memories

I don't think that's a problem here. It took Syl a very long time to remember her old knight, but her bond with him had been far advanced and this made the separation traumatic. There was this honorspren that Kaladin tried to armwrestle into offering a bond to Rlain after his former knight had died, and he didn't appear to have memory problems. So when a knight dies very early in the process of bonding, which happened with Tien, the spren's memory should be fine.

The bigger question for me is why it took so long... Tien died several years ago. But maybe they've been around for a while, just not on stage (or well hidden) in the books. Maybe they were also behind the horse's reappearance. That would mean they found and kept it after Kaladin was made a slave, and he had a secret well-wisher in the army all that time. Interesting possibilities - I guess we'll RAFO!

Edit: I'll make a far-out guess here: could it be Tarah? There's a theory that we saw her in a bar at Urithiru, though there was no intimation she could be a Radiant. (In OB Veil, when she trains 'noticing people' with Ishna, sees a woman in Thaylen clothes who is not herself Thaylen.) Tarah had an artistic sense shown in her clothing, and she complained about Kaladin's obsession with the dead. She might have grown to understand him better through speaking her own truths. And it would be a real good buildup for a renewed romantic relationship.

Edited August 26, 2024 by Erklitt

[alder24]

25 minutes ago, CognitiveShadow said:

Yeah, but I feel like there's a big difference between noticing a rock on the ground and washing it off in memory of his brother vs. having a rock just appear in his designated 'special items' pouch in his bag that was just packed. To me this rock/stone seems to be of more significance than that

I do agree, the stone is significant. 

27 minutes ago, CognitiveShadow said:

Totally, this is right in line with what I'm thinking. When he last saw it he murdered the guy who made him murder a bunch of people, so maybe in a more controlled setting he and his new therapist can start talking about how Szeth feels when he sees his old Oathstone, especially in the hands of someone who previously killed him but is now unarmed and handing it to him peacefully... idk but there could be some sort of a healing or cathartic experience there.

Not exactly. The last time Szeth was driven to panic and went to confront Taravangian personally, telling him that he won't listen to his lies, then he left. Only after Szeth learnt that Ishar killed his father, just as Taravangian told him and after Taravangian tried to manipulate him once more, did he murder him. It wasn't about the oathstone directly, it was about deception and manipulation. 

That's why I don't think Szeth needs to confront his oathstone in any way - his over it. His whole progression as a Skybreaker is to find a better ideal to follow. He knows that oathstone doesn't hold any power over him and never did.

I do agree Kaladin will probably use it in some way to "treat" Szeth, but not in relation to his oathstone. Rather than he will use Tien's way - to show Szeth that the beauty of this world lies in the most boring, simple things, and this is worth a moment of contemplation.

 

5 minutes ago, Erklitt said:

I don't think that's a problem here. It took Syl a very long time to remember her old knight, but her bond with him had been far advanced and this made the separation traumatic. There was this honorspren that Kaladin tried to armwrestle into offering a bond to Rlain after his former knight had died, and he didn't appear to have memory problems. So when a knight dies very early in the process of bonding, which happened with Tien, the spren's memory should be fine.

That is because that Honorspren was surrounded by other bonded Honorspren, Radiants and squires, so they had anchors provided by everyone around them. However his memories were still slowly fading and he had to find a new bond to stay with his mind intact in PR. Tien's spren was alone, with nobody around him, no Lightweaver, no Cryptic, nobody to whom he could be anchored. After that many years his memories of this event would be gone - even Syl had a hard time remembering Kaladin in the army for a long time as he was progressing in his Oaths.

I highly doubt that that spren would encourage his new Radiant to leave a random rock in Kaladin's pocket (especially that probably nobody knows he's leaving) even if that spren still remembered it. And I doubt that Lightweaver would do it anyway.

9 minutes ago, Erklitt said:

The bigger question for me is why it took so long... Tien died several years ago. But maybe they've been around for a while, just not on stage (or well hidden) in the books. Maybe they were also behind the horse's reappearance. That would mean they found and kept it after Kaladin was made a slave, and he had a secret well-wisher in the army all that time. Interesting possibilities - I guess we'll RAFO!

That's just Fortune. Not a big meaning, not a hidden person working from behind the scenes to bring Kaladin and the horse figurine together, just a coincidence driven by Fortune. Things like this happen when Fortune is involved and it doesn't have to have a greater meaning behind it. 

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Questioner

If so, where did the horse come from?

Brandon Sanderson

Either pure coincidence, or some sort of matching of Fortune to the moment, that ended up leading Kaladin to the place he needed to be, which is the way a lot of Fortune works. Fortune would be like, "You should go here," and you don't even know why. That's what the Arcanist answer would be, it would be the most common answer. [...]

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[+robardin he/him]

I think it's the rock he showed Syl after the battle at Thaylen Fields in Oathbringer, when telling her it was clear to him that Shallan had chosen Adolin.

It represents remembering Tien's effect on him, which Shallan also has, which maybe is a Lightweaver type thing?

Oathbringer Ch. 111:

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Kaladin settled down on the edge of a roof, high at the top of Thaylen City.

...In his hand he rubbed a small stone with his thumb. Down below, in an alleyway off the main thoroughfare, a woman with flowing red hair kissed a man in a ragged and ripped uniform. ...

... He rubbed his finger on the rock. "I don't think I loved her, Syl. I felt... Something. A lightening of my burdens when I was near her. She reminds me of someone."

"Who?"

He opened his palm, and she landed on it ...

"That's a nice rock," she said, completely serious.

"Thank you."

"Where did you get it?"

"I found it on the battlefield below. If you get it wet it changes colors. It looks brown, but with a little water, you can see the white, black, and grey."

"Oooooh."

Why would Kaladin pick up a rock off the ground at Thalyen Fields while thinking of Tien?

Because it helps to "lighten his burdens" - some aspect of seeing how a simple rock can change colors based on how you look at it, reminds Kaladin that Tien knew that to ease his depression, he has to be made to see the same thing from a different POV.

It's an echo of what Tien does/says to him in a flashback in TWoK Ch. 37, "Five and a Half Years Ago" prior to the Battle of Narak:

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"Kaladin, look at this rock," Tien said. "It changes colors when you look at it from different sides." ... He was squatting beside the lacquered cobwood dinner table, eyes level with the glossy surface, looking at a small, lumpish rock.

That's also the flashback chapter were we see a young Kaladin ask Hesina about dungspren, too! LOLOL.

The curious subtlety would be how the rock got into his rucksack, as Leyten says he didn't pack it, but he had packed the Trailman's Flute that Kaladin had sent as part of his "stuff" to bring. So that means Kaladin DIDN'T specifically give this rock to Leyten, yet there it is, and Kaladin noticed and specifically kept it.

Who put the rock there? Hm!

Edited August 26, 2024 by robardin

[Texside he/him/his]

1 minute ago, robardin said:

I think it's the rock he showed Syl after the battle at Thaylen Fields in Oathbringer, when telling her it was clear to him that Shallan had chosen Adolin.

Oh, this is clever.

It would also fit with what @alder24 was saying about Fortune, too, I think; I could see Fortune getting the right stone to Kaladin, if I understand it correctly. (I admit Fortune is a part of the Cosmere I'm a bit shaky on.)

[CognitiveShadow he/him]

2 minutes ago, alder24 said:

I do agree Kaladin will probably use it in some way to "treat" Szeth, but not in relation to his oathstone. Rather than he will use Tien's way - to show Szeth that the beauty of this world lies in the most boring, simple things, and this is worth a moment of contemplation.

OOOH ok now this idea is winning me over a bit actually. I like the idea of Kal pulling out a stone and showing it to Szeth, Szeth being like "WTF is that in oathstone??" and then Kal is like "no, dude, it's just a pretty rock. look at the patterns you can see if you clean it off and hold it in the light"

Maybe as Szeth takes some time to smell the roses and look at pretty rocks the voices might fade away for a moment.

5 minutes ago, alder24 said:

I highly doubt that that spren would encourage his new Radiant to leave a random rock in Kaladin's pocket (especially that probably nobody knows he's leaving) even if that spren still remembered it. And I doubt that Lightweaver would do it anyway.

This is another good point. It's beautiful to think of Kaladin getting some kind of connection to his brother through meeting his former spren, but I agree it's fairly improbable.

7 minutes ago, alder24 said:

That's just Fortune. Not a big meaning, not a hidden person working from behind the scenes to bring Kaladin and the horse figurine together, just a coincidence driven by Fortune. Things like this happen when Fortune is involved and it doesn't have to have a greater meaning behind it. 

So my only problem here is what does that mean for Kaladin? Will he just always keep finding random rocks in his shoes and bags as reminders of Tien? Part of me finds that sweet and the other part finds it depressing. I still think there is something more going on with the stone that just fortune because I still think Kaladin was expecting to find it there.

That said, as I went back a read the part about Kaladin finding the rock it does seem to be definitively not an oathstone haha it's just a dull brown rock.... still very intrigued about it!

7 minutes ago, robardin said:

It represents remembering Tien's effect on him, which Shallan also has, which maybe is a Lightweaver type thing?

Oathbringer Ch. 111:

Any chance Syl snuck the rock in there or asked someone to do it for her if needed? Maybe since she new the effect that kind of rock can have on him and wanted to make sure he had it with him? But then of course she was there when he found it and she didn't say anything about it, so maybe that's a reach

[Texside he/him/his]

9 minutes ago, CognitiveShadow said:

So my only problem here is what does that mean for Kaladin? Will he just always keep finding random rocks in his shoes and bags as reminders of Tien? Part of me finds that sweet and the other part finds it depressing. I still think there is something more going on with the stone that just fortune because I still think Kaladin was expecting to find it there.

My inclination is -- and I could be wrong -- that if Fortune is responsible, Kaladin would find random stones when he needs to find them, and it would probably stop as he didn't?

[SprenWrangler]

Maybe it’s just a Urithiru rock that will provide a useful Connection to the Sibling. 

[CognitiveShadow he/him]

4 minutes ago, Texside said:

My inclination is -- and I could be wrong -- that if Fortune is responsible, Kaladin would find random stones when he needs to find them, and it would probably stop as he didn't?

That tracks with my headcannon of Fortune as well... but I guess my question is how do we define 'need' in this case? Do we think the horse will play a role in the plot, or is it just more of a physical reminder to him of the experience he had when swearing the 4th ideal, and recognizing that he can't protect everyone?

Do we think that Kaladin finding a rock in his bag like that is just Fortune giving him another reminder of Tien, or do we think he will need it for the tasks he has ahead of him?

Another thought I've had is around the Wind and how people have theorized there may be a Stone being as well. Kaladin is already listening to the Wind, and maybe the Stone (if it exists or can be called an entity) is trying to make contact in some way as well? Could the Stone try to communicate to him through this special rock perhaps? Feels a bit out of left field but I guess I'm just brainstorming lol

1 minute ago, SprenWrangler said:

Maybe it’s just a Urithiru rock that will provide a useful Connection to the Sibling. 

Hey, definitely a very practical explanation. Maybe Navani had it get dropped in and did some bondsmith stuff to it so that even when they are far away they can still communicate through it the way they did when he was hiding in the tower and talking to her via the sibling?

[alder24]

11 minutes ago, CognitiveShadow said:

Another thought I've had is around the Wind and how people have theorized there may be a Stone being as well. Kaladin is already listening to the Wind, and maybe the Stone (if it exists or can be called an entity) is trying to make contact in some way as well? Could the Stone try to communicate to him through this special rock perhaps? Feels a bit out of left field but I guess I'm just brainstorming lol

That's a good idea. I don't think Stone would try to communicate to Kal, but maybe to Szeth? He heard a voice in the past, he's a Shin who all treat stones as sacred - originally SA 5 was meant to be named Stones Unhallowed. So maybe this rock will somehow help Szeth to communicate with the Stone.

Of course, assuming that the ancient spren of Stone wasn't turned into something else - like the mountain of Ur, Urithiru itself, old stones that spoke to Venli or something like that.

 

16 minutes ago, SprenWrangler said:

Maybe it’s just a Urithiru rock that will provide a useful Connection to the Sibling. 

A spanreed is a much easier way of having that Connection. A garnet gem taken from the Sibling as well - I doubt it would work after being disconnected from the main body of Urithiru but the Sibling is in gemstones and crystal veins, not rocks itself.

[Texside he/him/his]

1 hour ago, CognitiveShadow said:

Another thought I've had is around the Wind and how people have theorized there may be a Stone being as well. Kaladin is already listening to the Wind, and maybe the Stone (if it exists or can be called an entity) is trying to make contact in some way as well? Could the Stone try to communicate to him through this special rock perhaps? Feels a bit out of left field but I guess I'm just brainstorming lol

I think there could be something to that! And the notion he's doing something Edgedancer-like fits with this, too, I think; it's certainly helping someone be heard.

 

1 hour ago, alder24 said:

That's a good idea. I don't think Stone would try to communicate to Kal, but maybe to Szeth? He heard a voice in the past, he's a Shin who all treat stones as sacred - originally SA 5 was meant to be named Stones Unhallowed. So maybe this rock will somehow help Szeth to communicate with the Stone.

That would be interesting! It does play into the fact Kaladin is supposed to help Szeth, somehow; I think it's clearly in therapeutic sense, but I'll be curious to see if it expands beyond that too.

[BinarySecond]

Hoid put some Lerasium with a Lightweaving to hide it in Kaladin's bag. Undoubtable this is the only answer.

[Crustin]

20 hours ago, BinarySecond said:

Hoid put some Lerasium with a Lightweaving to hide it in Kaladin's bag. Undoubtable this is the only answer.

Naw, I think it's Todium just messing with Kaladin's head, having had a Dustbringer quickly slide in with abrasion in order to hide it in Kal's pack when Leyten wasn't around.

 

....Obviously. 

[Erklitt]

Coming back to what I said earlier in this thread:

On 8/26/2024 at 6:35 PM, Erklitt said:

Though I'm rather betting it's [Tiens's former] spren's new Radiant [who put the rock in Kaladin's pack].

 

@CognitiveShadow's response resonated with me:

On 8/26/2024 at 6:57 PM, CognitiveShadow said:

I really like the idea of Tien's former spren bonding someone new and encouraging them to do little things for Kaladin here and there that they know Tien would want done.

 

There have been good reasons posted against this. I tend to think it unlikely myself now. But it still rattled on in my head, and one crazy idea struck me:

Supposing the idea is true that a new Radiant bonded to Tien's former spren is behind the rock in Kaladin's pack...

How hilarious would it be if it were GAZ? By way of apologizing... 

Edited August 30, 2024 by Erklitt