Aeshdan he/him Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 That looks like it. It does seem coincidental that it seems like many different family members might be/become surgebinders of different types if there isn't a genetic component. I don't think this is genetics, i think it's people being raised in the same home, and in each other's company, and thus developing similar personalities.
Smidge Posted May 4, 2012 Posted May 4, 2012 I don't think this is genetics, i think it's people being raised in the same home, and in each other's company, and thus developing similar personalities. That only makes sense if they're the same type of surgebinder, since different qualities attract different types of spren. Not that I'm saying they're not - since aside from Kaladin/Shallan/Jasnah we don't know with certainty that anyone else is a surgebinder at present any guessing would be speculation. It might be a little dull though if we get several POV books from the Kholin family and they all turn out to be the same type of soulcaster as Jasnah. 1
Voidus Posted May 5, 2012 Author Posted May 5, 2012 Let me put forth something that ties this all together a bit more and allows for different Surgebinders from the same family. There is some genetic/environmental factor which influences your drive to act upon your personality traits, this allows the personality to be different and so their order to be different but still explains why it seems to me that Gavillars relatives seem to have a lot of Surgebinders in them. I think that as it's already been mentioned that it is your actions that attract the spren not just your personality you would still need this.
Aeshdan he/him Posted May 5, 2012 Posted May 5, 2012 That only makes sense if they're the same type of surgebinder, since different qualities attract different types of spren. Not that I'm saying they're not - since aside from Kaladin/Shallan/Jasnah we don't know with certainty that anyone else is a surgebinder at present any guessing would be speculation. It might be a little dull though if we get several POV books from the Kholin family and they all turn out to be the same type of soulcaster as Jasnah. I said similar, not identical. Jasnah, Dalinar, and Elokhar were all raised Honorably, and thus have all developed Honorable personalities and attracted honorspren.
junior Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 I said similar, not identical. Jasnah, Dalinar, and Elokhar were all raised Honorably, and thus have all developed Honorable personalities and attracted honorspren. ? Where do you get that from? The only Honor Spren that we see in the book is Syl. And in fact Elokhar specifically seems to be attracting Truth Spren, based on one of his (at the time) seemingly paranoid comments to Dalinar. 1
discipleofhoid he/him Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 (edited) ? Where do you get that from? The only Honor Spren that we see in the book is Syl. And in fact Elokhar specifically seems to be attracting Truth Spren, based on one of his (at the time) seemingly paranoid comments to Dalinar. It makes sense is you agree that surgebinding is Honors magic system. From that perspective all of the traits that attract spren of any kind could be considered honorable. It is not that they are acting such to attract a Syl type spren as that all spren that bind with knights radiant are hounorspren. Edited May 12, 2012 by discipleofhoid 1
Aeshdan he/him Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 It makes sense is you agree that surgebinding is Honors magic system. From that perspective all of the traits that attract spren of any kind could be considered honorable. It is not that they are acting such to attract a Syl type spren as that all spren that bind with knights radiant are hounorspren. Yes. I'm saying that syl is, as it were, genus Honorspren and species protectionspren, shallan's spren are genus Honorspren species truthspren, etc.
Windrunner he/him Posted May 12, 2012 Posted May 12, 2012 That's how I tend to believe it too but then Nohadon talks about forming bonds with spren other then honorspren. It drives me crazy. Zas found out in his interview with Brandon that the people of Roshar don't even know the definition of honorspren. Its a topic of debate among scholars and philosophers. The Shattered Plains can't come soon enough.
Oudeis he/him Posted September 29, 2013 Posted September 29, 2013 I don't think this is genetics, i think it's people being raised in the same home, and in each other's company, and thus developing similar personalities. Eeeehhhh..... Not sure I buy that. In a typical Earth household I could see you making this case, but the Royal House of Alethkar? Even if we ignore how differently genders are treated in Alethi culture, she was raised in a manner that made her an independent woman with poor people skills, and he was raised to be personally responsible for... what, millions of people that live in Alethkar? Anyone got a decent estimate? She's barely polite to a man trying to rescue his granddaughter, and he has to balance the needs and wants of ten squabbling highprinces. And as for actions? She spends her life alone and happy with it, researching the past and playing tricks on women who wish to become her wards, while he rides into battle and lies to his closest associates to trick them into believing his paranoid fears. I have to say, generic ideas of "same family means similar raising" aside, the specific seems to debunk that theory. I've heard it proposed that there's a genetic potential, but that only people who have both the potential and act appropriately will achieve the powers. Which does explain some things. Dalinar clearly acts as honorably as Kaladin, but has not attracted an Honorspren. Perhaps he lacks the genetic potential to have his honor translate into powers. Though as someone pointed out, that feels too much like Mistborn. We have a number of confusing facts. Shallan sees the Truthspren, and can innately Soulcast, as well as her trick with Memories. Jasnah can innately Soulcast and enter Shadesmar, but doesn't seem to recognize the Truthspren. Elhokar seems to see the Truthspren despite all of his lies, but as far as we know cannot Soulcast. Shallan's father did Soulcast, but with a fabrial that a proven liar claims was real. Kaladin acts honorably, attracts Sylphrena, who confirms herself that his powers are due to their interaction. He also dreams that he IS the Highstorm (Also, the Herald of the Windrunner order, Jezrien, is called the Stormfather; connection? Coincidence?). Dalinar acts just as honorably, yet cannot see Sylphrena and has attracted no honorspren that we know of, but was somehow posthumously chosen by a dead Honor to receive his hallucina-diary. Szeth-son-son-Vallano has the powers of a Windrunner, a special shardblade that changs his eye-color, and is perhaps more dedicated to his personal code of honor than Kaladin and Dalinar combined, yet we've seen no honorspren and I think there's a WoB quote somewhere (can anyone find?) that he is NOT getting his powers from the typical Nahel Bond. I have yet to see a theory (or, to my shame, come up with one of my own) that fits ALL of these circumstances. Is there a genetic component? Does that mean Shallan's father was always an innate Soulcaster? Than why does Luesh agree to the "send her to steal a Soulcaster" plan, and indicate that he could show them how to use it? Was he simply counting on her failure? Since he had the mark of a Ghostblood and was aware that the fabrial was broken, why didn't the Ghostbloods who threatened Nan Balat seem to be aware that it was broken? If it's not genetic, why can Elhokar see the Truthspren that seem to be tied to Soulcasting, when his Soulcasting sister cannot? (Idle speculation... are they twins? Is it possible the power got split? She got the Soulcasting, he got the spren?) Dalinar is primarily honorable, but certainly at least as honest as Jasnah or Shallan. If he's got the same genetic trait, why hasn't he attracted a Truthspren? What is so special about Shallan? Are they attracted to people who harbor great secrets? Is it possible Truthspren aren't attracted to people who spread truth, so much as they are attracted to people who keep all the truth to themselves? Jasnah would not tell anyone what she learned about the Voidbringers. Shallan keeps secrets from everyone, she even fails to tell her co-conspirators how much she loves her freedom. Elhokar has invented a conspiracy to fake his own murder. I just don't know. So many facts, but it's like fifty pieces of a thousand piece puzzle.
Lilamal he/him Posted January 22, 2016 Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) I know useless facts too! Do I get a cookie? Cleveland spelled backwards is DNA Level C. All swans in England are property of the Queen. A normal raindrop falls at about 7 miles per hour. More people speak English in China than in the US. Now where's my cookie??? Edited January 29, 2016 by Lilamal
DreamEternal Posted January 22, 2016 Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) Parshendi and threads have one thing in common: You shouldn't touch their corpses without a good reason or a shardplate. Edited January 22, 2016 by DreamEternal 4
Ardjet Posted January 22, 2016 Posted January 22, 2016 Hahahaha. Parshendi and threads have one thing in common: You shouldn't touch their corpses without a good reason or a shardplate. Hahaha. You get an upvote for that.
DreamEternal Posted January 22, 2016 Posted January 22, 2016 (edited) Hahahaha. Hahaha. You get an upvote for that. Thank you, but... you weren't supposed to reply, you know. Can't keep giving breath to this lifeless thing. Edited January 22, 2016 by DreamEternal
natc Posted January 22, 2016 Posted January 22, 2016 Parshendi and threads have one thing in common: You shouldn't touch their corpses without a good reason or a shardplate. Good reason is barely excusable. No reason at all and you're dead. This isn't those things, this is pure senseless stupidity that even chulls and koloss will frown upon. The koloss warlords will worldhop en masse to your homeworld just to give you a piece of their mind.
DreamEternal Posted January 29, 2016 Posted January 29, 2016 Not to keep stabbing the zombie but... Your post was relevant to the discussion, up to date and useful, so it is not a necro. 1
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