How many Kholin Radiants is too many?

[hoser he/him]

One of four dedicated to battle? Both "capable" and dedicated.

Let's look at what we've seen.

• Kaladin: dedicated to battle
• Dalinar: no longer dedicated to battle
• Jasnah: not (while the Alethi warred on the voidbringers, where was she?)
• Lift: not
• Renarin: not (maybe eventually, but maybe not)
• Shallan: not
• Ym: not

1 of 7

 

Assuming Navani (not dedicated to battle), Eshonai (dedicated), the unknown Stoneward (dedicated) and Adolin (dedicated) become Radiants: 4 of 11. It doesn't seem too far off. 

Edited September 13, 2014 by hoser

[Guest]

One of four dedicated to battle? Both "capable" and dedicated. 

Let's look at what we've seen.

Kaladin: dedicated to battle

 

Dalinar: no longer dedicated to battle

Jasnah: not (while the Alethi warred on the voidbringers, where was she?)

Lift: not

Renarin: not (maybe eventually, but maybe not)

Shallan: not

Ym: not

 

1 of 7

 

Assuming Navani (not dedicated to battle), Eshonai (dedicated), the unknown Stoneward (dedicated) and Adolin (dedicated) become Radiants: 4 of 11.

 

Not too far off.

 

It seems surprising

 

A few corrections...

 

Lift: currently not, but probably yes in the future

Shallan: currently not, but has shown interest to be in the future

 

That would bring it to 6 in the pool of persons you have identified, close to half and half which I believe is a better estimate than 3/4.

 

Edit: You forgot Szeth: dedicated. That brings it to 7 outta 12... a little more than half.

Edited September 13, 2014 by maxal

[hoser he/him]

A few corrections...

 

Lift: currently not, but probably yes in the future

Shallan: currently not, but has shown interest to be in the future

 

That would bring it to 6 in the pool of persons you have identified, close to half and half which I believe is a better estimate than 3/4.

 

Edit: You forgot Szeth: dedicated. That brings it to 7 outta 12... a little more than half.

Good catch on Szeth.  Thanks! 

 

Lift and Shallan could become fighters, as anyone w/a Shardblade could, but they have shown no real interest. 

 

Shallan had the perfect opportunity to learn self defense skills from Tyn and did everything else.  In the warcamps, she maybe could have used learning self-defense as her pretense for spending time on the fighting grounds rather than sketching armor sets (not sure about the strength of Alethi social mores, so this might not have been workable). I believe she could also have learned the rudiments of self-defense from her brothers, had she wanted to. 

 

Had Lift wanted to become a fighter, I have to believe that growing up as an orphan in Ral Elorim afforded her many opportunities.   Further, an order with the attributes loving/healing doesn't seem to make the likeliest combatants,  Combat medic is not what I see as dedicated to battle. 

 

It is interesting that Nale ignored the battle against the Voidbringers, when his intervention might have prevented the Everstorm.  I think if he had led in the battle against the Voidbringers on Roion's flank it would have made a difference.  But Nale could be crazy or serve Odium, so we can't read too much into his reluctance to fight.  I'll call Szeth dedicated to battle for now, but I'm really not sure. 

 

The orders we have seen fighting in the flashbacks (Windrunner, Stoneward and order 3 (forgot the name)) seem correct based on their attributes.  While individual inclination must play a part, we have seen w/Kaladin that his powers desert him when he runs counter to his order's attributes.

 

In addition, I could easily see Eshonai (leadership, exploration), Adolin (leadership) and Szeth (law enforcement, scholarly pursuits) evolving away from combat roles. 

 

So I see:

• Adolin: dedicated
• Kaladin: dedicated to battle
• Szeth: dedicated
• Eshonai: dedicated
• Unknown stoneward: dedicated

 

• Dalinar: no longer dedicated to battle
• Jasnah: not (while the Alethi warred on the voidbringers, where was she?)
• Lift: not
• Navani: not
• Renarin: not (maybe eventually, but maybe not)
• Shallan: not
• Ym: not

So, gratuitously overestimating the combatant numbers, we still have only 5 of 12.  The statistics of such small numbers are ludicrous, of course, but I can easily see that over half the "Knights" might not be focused (though not incapable) on combat. 

[Green Hoodie Mistborn he/him]

I think we can all agree Skybreakers, Windrunners, Dustbringers and Stonewards are massively war oriented. Edgedancers could fall either way as many probably were proficient healers while many probably were deadly warriors. Willshapers probably had their share of warriors as well and Lightweavers have been known to take up the arms at time. The only one I see as solely scholar oriented are the Truthwatchers and the Elsecallers.

 

As to the Elsecallers being solely scholarly, I think Jasnah's demonstration to Shallan in tWoK argues pretty heavily against that idea. She laid waste to 5-6 robber ruffians in a matter of seconds with her Soulcasting. 

 

The Truthwatchers are to me the hardest to reconcile with combat... but who knows, when Renarin develops in his powers a bit he may be the most deadly given his ability to see the future combined with massive healing, enhanced speed and agility from Stormlight... What after all made Atium so powerful? The ability to see your opponents actions and react to them supernaturally fast. 

[Localconfusi0n]

I see a fairly big flaw in this argument.Not having seen a character in combat does not mean they never will be or don't want to. Plus things change, especially when you realize you've been chosen to be a KR

 

 

 Renarin had his blood-weakness, which I assume has been healed by Stormlight, Lift was not in a position to, Shallan couldn't have learned combat, she is a woman and in Alethi society that is frowned upon, now that she is a KR she can and probably will. She also had no big reason to learn combat (though maybe a few small ones). Jasnah, I have no argument to make that she will be in combat a lot, though I can definitely see her in some small skirmishes (Voidbringers break into where she is at at the time, BAM their all stone)

[king of nowhere]

I see a fairly big flaw in this argument.Not having seen a character in combat does not mean they never will be or don't want to. Plus things change, especially when you realize you've been chosen to be a KR

 

I see a fairly big flaw in this argument too. Taking part in a battle do not make one dedicated to battle; being forced to fight because there's the desolation do not mean one is dedicated to fight. It's like sazed in mistborn: he was a scholar, not a warrior, and the fact that he was stuck in battle all the time and that he got pretty good at it do not change the fact. He wanted to be a scholar. that was his orientation.

 

Also, everyone, I believe you are looking too much into the radiant's personality traits. You seem to assume that two radiants of the same order will be virtuallly indistinguishable from each other. While personality plays a big part in a spren's reason to bond a human, those traits are far from defining. A loving/caring person could easily be the fiercest warrior: think of a mother whose children are in danger. A resolute/decisive could easily be a scientist, relentlessly pursuing his interest. or even a guy working in an assembly line, who just shows those trait outside of his work. I'd be very careful in saying that members of a certain order would behavve in a certain way.

Especially considering this is Sanderson's work; he mentioned somewhere that he don't like to make socieal groups look too uniform, and so he ofter take someone who don't fit the mold as a representative. for example ham is a warrior philosopher when most thugs are said to be brutes, galladon is dark and pessimistic when dula are said to be happy. I  don't think he'd write ten orders of magical knights whose members all have basically the same personality.

[Guest]

Good catch on Szeth.  Thanks! 

 

Lift and Shallan could become fighters, as anyone w/a Shardblade could, but they have shown no real interest. 

 

Shallan had the perfect opportunity to learn self defense skills from Tyn and did everything else.  In the warcamps, she maybe could have used learning self-defense as her pretense for spending time on the fighting grounds rather than sketching armor sets (not sure about the strength of Alethi social mores, so this might not have been workable). I believe she could also have learned the rudiments of self-defense from her brothers, had she wanted to. 

 

Shallan stayed with Tyn for a few days. She did not have the opportunity to learn to fight while with her and even if she did, she was not confortable with her shardblade at that time. Same as when she was on the fighting ground, not to mention nobody would have let a high ranked woman try herself with a shardblade... Had she revealed she possessed one at that time, it would have caused quite a mayhem. So no, whereas Shallan has shown some interest in the art of war, she has not truly had the opportunity to learn. I believe she will, in time. She may never be a warrior, but she may be able to take arms if need be.

 

 

Had Lift wanted to become a fighter, I have to believe that growing up as an orphan in Ral Elorim afforded her many opportunities.   Further, an order with the attributes loving/healing doesn't seem to make the likeliest combatants,  Combat medic is not what I see as dedicated to battle. 

 

Lift is a child. There is only so much a child can do and learn. I agree the attributes of the Edgedancer does not call for warrior, however both Word of Radiance and Nale has described them as deadly in combat... I must thus conclude these took arms more often then not and were reknown for their prowess on the battle field despite being proficient healers.

 

 

In addition, I could easily see Eshonai (leadership, exploration), Adolin (leadership) and Szeth (law enforcement, scholarly pursuits) evolving away from combat roles.

 

I agree. If Eshonai and Adolin survives, they will most likely end up in a position of leadership: Eshonai as the ruler of the Parshendi and Adolin as either Highprince of house Kohlin or king of Alethkar. I dunno if scholarly pursuit is Szeth cup of tea: he is hard to gauge.

 

Overall, I still maintain my number.

 

 

As to the Elsecallers being solely scholarly, I think Jasnah's demonstration to Shallan in tWoK argues pretty heavily against that idea. She laid waste to 5-6 robber ruffians in a matter of seconds with her Soulcasting.

 

Being able to defend oneself does not imply dedicating your life to war or being able (or willing to) take up arms in a nation wide conflict. I just don't see Jasnah on the battle field, though she certainly is not helpless.

 

 

Also, everyone, I believe you are looking too much into the radiant's personality traits. You seem to assume that two radiants of the same order will be virtuallly indistinguishable from each other. While personality plays a big part in a spren's reason to bond a human, those traits are far from defining. A loving/caring person could easily be the fiercest warrior: think of a mother whose children are in danger. A resolute/decisive could easily be a scientist, relentlessly pursuing his interest. or even a guy working in an assembly line, who just shows those trait outside of his work. I'd be very careful in saying that members of a certain order would behavve in a certain way.

 

 

Good point. However, there are orders which are harder to place within scholarly roles. And I still think the 3/4 percentage if way too high.

[hoser he/him]

Shallan could easily have gotten instruction in self-defense from Tyn using normal weapons. She learned forgery, which they couldn't do while traveling (unlike accents).

It seems clear to me that learning to fight is not a high priority. While it seems possible that she would learn attain some fighting skills, I can't imagine her ever being "dedicated to combat."

Jasnah herself didn't claim that the proportion was precise. My point was that even within the tiny, biased sample we see, it would be easy to envision that over half the radiants are not "dedicated to combat".

[Arondell]

I suspect the Radiants of old trained all their members to at least a basic level of competency in combat

 

In the Starfalls vision I'm pretty sure the female Radiant that Dalinar speaks with was either a Lightweaver or a Truthwatcher.   She didn't seem to be particularly lacking in the combat skills department.

 

One of the issues here is the difference between the Radiants of old and the Radiants now.  As Jasnah points out in the old days the Radiants had long established traditions and a strong support base.  It would not surprise me if most new Radiants were found at a young age and trained up to the responsibilities both martial and scholarly.  Granted different orders would probably have put more emphasize on one or the other.  On the other hand since everyone got the blade and probably the plate it would be a huge waste not to expect everyone to train in their use.

 

There is also quite a bit of real world precedence for elite warriors to also be educated.

[hoser he/him]

The female radiant in the Starfalls vision is a Stoneward, as shown by the amber glow of her armor. Stonewards are one of the obviously martial orders.

One can be a totally awesome fighter without being dedicated to combat.

I don't think anybody believes that only one in four radiants were deadly.

Given that desolations were widely separated, if most radiants were dedicated to combat, being a radiant would be quite dull.

[Arondell]

The female radiant in the Starfalls vision is a Stoneward, as shown by the amber glow of her armor. Stonewards are one of the obviously martial orders.

 

 

Ah...I missed that.  I had thought she was messing with illumination when she told Dalinar to call out and she would hear.

[Guest]

Shallan could easily have gotten instruction in self-defense from Tyn using normal weapons. She learned forgery, which they couldn't do while traveling (unlike accents).

It seems clear to me that learning to fight is not a high priority. While it seems possible that she would learn attain some fighting skills, I can't imagine her ever being "dedicated to combat."

Jasnah herself didn't claim that the proportion was precise. My point was that even within the tiny, biased sample we see, it would be easy to envision that over half the radiants are not "dedicated to combat".

 

Fighting will never be Shallan's number one priority, I think we can all agree on that one.

 

However, when I read Jasnah's words, I understand she means 3/4 Radiants are not warriors, period. She even tells Shallan she will most likely not get any warrior powers (and I think we can all agree all surges can be applied to war if need be) as she is bonded to cryptic, one of the scholarly order. I believe Jasnah is making a mistake in her assessment. I think a fair majority of the knights were able warriors that chose to take up arms if need be. You do not need to be dedicated to war for this.

 

I also believe there were knights that refused to fight or take part in the war effort and prefered to use their powers behind the lines.

 

In our tiny subset of potential Radiants, the only ones I truly see as dedicating solely to scholar pursuit are Renarin, Jasnah, Ym and Navani. They are the ones I see as never joining battle. Dalinar may have forsake his old ways, he still is a badass warrior and if need be, shardblade or no, he'll join in.

 

All the other ones are either warriors in their own right or have the capacity and the inclination to be one if need be.

 

 

I suspect the Radiants of old trained all their members to at least a basic level of competency in combat

 

In the Starfalls vision I'm pretty sure the female Radiant that Dalinar speaks with was either a Lightweaver or a Truthwatcher.   She didn't seem to be particularly lacking in the combat skills department.

 

One of the issues here is the difference between the Radiants of old and the Radiants now.  As Jasnah points out in the old days the Radiants had long established traditions and a strong support base.  It would not surprise me if most new Radiants were found at a young age and trained up to the responsibilities both martial and scholarly.  Granted different orders would probably have put more emphasize on one or the other.  On the other hand since everyone got the blade and probably the plate it would be a huge waste not to expect everyone to train in their use.

 

There is also quite a bit of real world precedence for elite warriors to also be educated.

 

They all had a blade and all had access to a plate. Brandon confirmed this. Some, however, chose to use none.

 

I agree the Radiants of old probably had a training program of sort. One of my guess would be squires were exactly that: Radiants in training. They got to learn how to breath in stormlight and the basic of their order before being made Radiants. I do not think Radiants of old were quite as young and untrained as the ones we have today...

Edited September 14, 2014 by maxal

[hoser he/him]

Thank you maxal. 

Fighting will never be Shallan's number one priority, I think we can all agree on that one.

 

However, when I read Jasnah's words, I understand she means 3/4 Radiants are not warriors, period.

I think that this is the nub of our disagreement.  I can't read Jasnah's quote the way you do.  For someone to be "dedicated to combat," fighting would be their number one priority. 

 

If I were to make an arbitrary 0 to 10 scale of interest in fighting, I would only call someone "dedicated to combat" if they were at 8 or above, comparable to Adolin or Kaladin.  To say someone is "not a warrior, period," I would have to rate them a 0 on that scale.  As I would rate Shallan a 1 or 2, she meets your definition of dedicated to combat, but not mine. 

 

So, long story short, I think we see the characters somewhat comparably, but disagree about what "dedicated to combat" means.  Does this fit your understanding?

[Guest]

Thank you maxal. 

I think that this is the nub of our disagreement.  I can't read Jasnah's quote the way you do.  For someone to be "dedicated to combat," fighting would be their number one priority. 

 

If I were to make an arbitrary 0 to 10 scale of interest in fighting, I would only call someone "dedicated to combat" if they were at 8 or above, comparable to Adolin or Kaladin.  To say someone is "not a warrior, period," I would have to rate them a 0 on that scale.  As I would rate Shallan a 1 or 2, she meets your definition of dedicated to combat, but not mine. 

 

So, long story short, I think we see the characters somewhat comparably, but disagree about what "dedicated to combat" means.  Does this fit your understanding?

 

I would not use word "dedicated" for Shallan... more of "interested in" or "capable of" as opposed to Jasnah which remains a true scholar.

 

I indeed read Jasnah differently as I assumed she meant 3/4 of Radiants never took arms at all. I am guessing some were truly dedicated to combat such as Kaladin, Adolin, Szeth, potentially Lift and yeah I put Dalinar in there as well. I am guessing others were able to fight when the need arise: their main occupation was not war, but they were interested enough in it to learn how to master it. I put Shallan in there and perhaps Renarin could be up there with her, providing he ever manages to acquire any fighting skill.

 

I agree our view of characters appear similar. I guess it is our interpretation of the famous 3/4 that differs.

[Crysanja]

The Radiant in Dalinars vision said to him he should go to there place/school, so he might become a Radiant.

The Radiant couldnt know much about "Dalinar" at this point, except that he could fight and was brave.

Thouse seem to be very low requirements, sure there might be more, we dont know, i guess the real requirement is trust.

 

I guess Dalinar trusts most of his close fam. So as a Bondsmith he could propably help them all to become Radiants.

 

As far as i understand thats the work of a Bondsmith to help creating thouse bonds.(instruct/attract/order Spren? idk)

 

 

So the chance for more Radiants in the fam. is very high.

 

 

Maybe there is a difference between Spren chosen Radiants(Kaladin, Dalinar, Shallan, Lift) and thouse helped/made by a Bondsmith.

 

 

i hope there will be no more Radiants in the fam. but i think there will be.

[Guest]

The Radiant in Dalinars vision said to him he should go to there place/school, so he might become a Radiant.

The Radiant couldnt know much about "Dalinar" at this point, except that he could fight and was brave.

Thouse seem to be very low requirements, sure there might be more, we dont know, i guess the real requirement is trust.

 

Actually, the knight in the vision told Dalinar to go to Urithiru as they were always in need of people with his fighting skill. It explicitly told him he may not be able to join one of the order, but even then, they could use one such as him. This leads me to think one could seek Urithiru and try out for an order, but providing they failed, they could still be of use in other areas.

 

 

I guess Dalinar trusts most of his close fam. So as a Bondsmith he could propably help them all to become Radiants.

 

As far as i understand thats the work of a Bondsmith to help creating thouse bonds.(instruct/attract/order Spren? idk)

 

 

So the chance for more Radiants in the fam. is very high.

 

 

Maybe there is a difference between Spren chosen Radiants(Kaladin, Dalinar, Shallan, Lift) and thouse helped/made by a Bondsmith.

 

 

i hope there will be no more Radiants in the fam. but i think there will be.

 

Possibly. I could be the Bondsmith had a say to who becomes a Radiant similar to the Windle's ring telling him he had to chose Lift. As for the family, the only Radiant in waiting I see amongst them is Adolin. As others are not Radiant material, in my views.

[WitSpren he/him]

 

Galvier is dead but I think that he should be added to your list for the minimum.    Also, it was because of him that Delinar started reading the WoKs & learned the basic principals of the KRs (Life before death, Journey before Destination, etc).    Delinar has massively spread those values to his family, so it is very natural progression & not genetic.    I would assume that Jasnah got her intro from Galvier as well.    

Renarin, Elhokar, Adolin & Navani all get their exposure to the core values mostly from Delinar.    So in that sense I have no problem with it.

 

Add to that, any new Spren that come over since the Stormfather was converted will need someone that is "primed" for those core values.   Kal and Shallan obviously managed it on their own, but I would add that Kal's mother and father seemed to have given him the "core values" so they might be prime spren receptacles as well.

 

​I voted "the more merrier" but not because of genetics as I said above.    It just seems logical. 

[Patrick Star]

Seeing the results of the poll... 7?! 7 Knights Kholin?

 

I've said this before, and I'll probably say this again.  SA should to focus on the Knights Radiant, not the Knights Kholin or the Kholin family.

 

We've got 3 books written from Kholin POV's to go with WoR, which largely focused on the Kholin family (though not always from their POV's).

 

It just seems that other characters like Teft, Rock, Sigzil, Amaram, and Sadeas (ESPECIALLY Sadeas) have been pushed too far to the wayside in order to accommodate the Kholins and their significance..

 

We see a few paragraphs devoted to Teft's story, Amaram only appears for small blips in WoR, and Sadeas gets what could possibly remain as the most anticlimactic death in the entire Stormlight Series.

 

</rant>

[Guest]

Seeing the results of the poll... 7?! 7 Knights Kholin?

 

I've said this before, and I'll probably say this again.  SA should to focus on the Knights Radiant, not the Knights Kholin or the Kholin family.

 

We've got 3 books written from Kholin POV's to go with WoR, which largely focused on the Kholin family (though not always from their POV's).

 

It just seems that other characters like Teft, Rock, Sigzil, Amaram, and Sadeas (ESPECIALLY Sadeas) have been pushed too far to the wayside in order to accommodate the Kholins and their significance..

 

We see a few paragraphs devoted to Teft's story, Amaram only appears for small blips in WoR, and Sadeas gets what could possibly remain as the most anticlimactic death in the entire Stormlight Series.

 

</rant>

 

I don't even know if we have 7 person named Kohlin in the story.......

 

I do disagree with the rest of your rant. WoK and WoR centered around Shallan and Kaladin, not the Kohlins. The Kohlin's POV were quite less numerous than the Kaladin or the Shallan's POV. I would gladly take less Kal and less Shallan to accomodate more Kohlins as I feel we are not getting enough there. 

 

Sadeas has had enough POV to my taste. I did not wish to hear more about him and I think he serves the story better dead then alive   I also think the occasional POV is sufficient to flesh out the bridge crew characters, but I am dying for an Amaram POV

[Patrick Star]

Jasnah, Navani, Dalinar, Renarin, Adolin, Elhokar, and Aesudan.

 

I worded it poorly.  I know that the first two books have had Shallan and Kaladin as the main characters.  However, past those two, it's almost completely devoted to the Kholins (mainly Dalinar and Adolin), with a small amounts of supporting characters thrown in.

 

It just seemed that even with Kal and Shallan, their arcs lived and died with the Kholins.

 

In WoR, nearly all of Kal's PoV was about being with Adolin Kholin, guarding Elhokar Kholin, dealing with the fiancee of Adolin Kholin, protecting Dalinar Kholin, dealing with the friend of Dalinar Kholin, worrying about Renarin Kholin, and Navani Kholin, and so on.

 

And Shallan's arc was has been gaining the trust of Jasnah Kholin, stealing the soulcaster of Jasnah Kholin, getting attacked on the ship because of Jasnah Kholin, making her way to the shattered plains in order to get to Adolin Kholin, marrying Adolin Kholin, doing things behind the backs of Dalinar Kholin and Adolin Kholin, spying on the friend of Dalinar Kholin, trying to get on the good side of Navani Kholin, dealing with the bodyguard of Dalinar Kholin (and stealing his boots), helping the expedition of Dalinar Kholin. And so on.

[Guest]

Jasnah, Navani, Dalinar, Renarin, Adolin, Elhokar, and Aesudan.

 

Well, technically, Navani and Aesudan are not Kohlins... They are Kohlins by alliance so I tend to leave them out.

 

 

I worded it poorly.  I know that the first two books have had Shallan and Kaladin as the main characters.  However, past those two, it's almost completely devoted to the Kholins (mainly Dalinar and Adolin), with a small amounts of supporting characters thrown in.

In WoR, nearly all of Kal's PoV was about being with Adolin Kholin, guarding Elhokar Kholin, dealing with the fiancee of Adolin Kholin, protecting Dalinar Kholin, dealing with the friend of Dalinar Kholin, worrying about Renarin Kholin, and Navani Kholin, and so on.

 

And Shallan's arc was has been gaining the trust of Jasnah Kholin, stealing the soulcaster of Jasnah Kholin, getting attacked on the ship because of Jasnah Kholin, making her way to the shattered plains in order to get to Adolin Kholin, marrying Adolin Kholin, doing things behind the backs of Dalinar Kholin and Adolin Kholin, spying on the friend of Dalinar Kholin, trying to get on the good side of Navani Kholin, dealing with the bodyguard of Dalinar Kholin (and stealing his boots), helping the expedition of Dalinar Kholin. And so on.

 

I understand better your point. Thanks for explaining.

 

However, I do think that whereas Kaladin's arc revolved around the Kohlins it was mostly about Kaladin over coming his hate of lighteyes and dealing with Amaram.... Honor before vengeance. Shallan's arc dealed mostly with her recollecting her memories. And we saw a lot of Kohlins from their point-of-vue, but we didn't get enough POV from the Kohlins...

 

As for the supporting characters, I guess I don't feel deeply enough for any of them to wish to see more then the occasional POV.

 

I'll admit I am Kohlin crazy

[Zea mays]

Well, technically, Navani and Aesudan are not Kohlins... They are Kohlins by alliance so I tend to leave them out.

I'll admit I am Kohlin crazy

One more: Aesudan and Elhokar have a toddler, meantioned in WoK, in the hunt chapter. We don't know his name and exact age yet. But hey, he's a Kholin! With those genes he might even bond a spren before he learns to walk and talk.

[Guest]

One more: Aesudan and Elhokar have a toddler, meantioned in WoK, in the hunt chapter. We don't know his name and exact age yet. But hey, he's a Kholin! With those genes he might even bond a spren before he learns to walk and talk.

 

Oh OK. I discarded the kid....... So we are back to 6 real Kohins

[AerionBFII he/him]

I voted four but they will all most likely be Radiant's sooner or later.

[smokeesid]

If Adolin gets his spren by reviving his blade, I will cheer for him to join the Kholin Radiants