Walter The Moral Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 Okay, so I want to make the fastest character possible using the magic that we have access to (without the teleportation of Elantris). You are allowed to use all of Feruchemy, Allomancy, Aon Dor (except teleportation), all surges, all aethers, breaths, sand mastery, and anything else you can think of to make someone to move extremely fast. My though process is: Steel and Zinc Compounder (For pure speed of movement and thought) Surge of abrasion (To remove air resisitance) Bondsmith (For the perpendicularity to fuel the feruchemy) Minor TOTES spoilers: Spoiler Zephyr Spores (for extra boosts in speed) That's about all I've thought of so far, what do you think? 1
+Invocation Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 Surge of Transportation could probably help out a long way, though it may be getting too close to teleportation.
Trusk'our he/him Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Walter The Moral said: Okay, so I want to make the fastest character possible using the magic that we have access to (without the teleportation of Elantris). You are allowed to use all of Feruchemy, Allomancy, Aon Dor (except teleportation), all surges, all aethers, breaths, sand mastery, and anything else you can think of to make someone to move extremely fast. My though process is: Steel and Zinc Compounder (For pure speed of movement and thought) Surge of abrasion (To remove air resisitance) Bondsmith (For the perpendicularity to fuel the feruchemy) Minor TOTES spoilers: Hide contents Zephyr Spores (for extra boosts in speed) That's about all I've thought of so far, what do you think? If you're going to be using the Surge of Abrasion to speed up movement (by slicking the ground), you could end up exceeding the G-force that Feruchemical steel provides direct resistance to. Some Allomantic pewter could seriously help with that, particularly if you find a way to supercharge it somehow (via Bondsmith, AonDor, or perhaps nicrosil Compounding)- we've seen that a person can use Allomantic duralumin and steel to go from a standstill to moving like a bullet, so clearly A-pewter could be helpful for someone facing high Gs (plus A-pewter gives you a little extra boost of speed on its own).
alder24 Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Walter The Moral said: Okay, so I want to make the fastest character possible using the magic that we have access to (without the teleportation of Elantris). You are allowed to use all of Feruchemy, Allomancy, Aon Dor (except teleportation), all surges, all aethers, breaths, sand mastery, and anything else you can think of to make someone to move extremely fast. My though process is: Steel and Zinc Compounder (For pure speed of movement and thought) Surge of abrasion (To remove air resisitance) Bondsmith (For the perpendicularity to fuel the feruchemy) Minor TOTES spoilers: Reveal hidden contents Zephyr Spores (for extra boosts in speed) That's about all I've thought of so far, what do you think? Surge of Transoprtation Add to your build A-bendalloy, and a Bondsmith bond, which can cause time dilation. Don't forget about healing that can be useful. Or just be a Windrunner, go to space, and just accelerate with 1g (or just stuck as many as you can) for around a year in random direction and you will reach speeds very close to the speed of light. The fastest that's physically possible. You can't go faster than that in any other way. Spoiler Questioner At the end of Rhythm of War, we see Shard-induced time dilation; you bring a lot of Investiture into a place, and it slows down time. Brandon Sanderson It can also speed it up. Questioner How much Investiture would it take to dilate an area so that one area moves forward about fifteen years into the future while everything else remains? Like, they have ten minutes, everyone else goes fifteen years? Brandon Sanderson There’s a couple variables here. Number one is the length of the area, and how fast that fifteen years passes. If we want us to jump forward fifteen years, in how much time? Fifteen years compared to one year? Fifteen years compared to one minute? Fifteen years compared to one second? These are all different things. And, of course, the more you’re compressing and the larger the area, the more Investiture you’re requiring. Questioner Could two unchained Bondsmiths in the course of a duel do it? Brandon Sanderson Fifteen years? Fifteen years is gonna be a stretch for what they can get a hold of, but it depends. Unchained Bondsmith, unchained to (for instance) a deity that there is no longer a Vessel controlling that power in the way that it needs to have the limits on it is going to be able to access more than one where there was some Vessel there saying “no.” So there’s one factor in it. A Bondsmith can access a lot of power, as evidenced by the migration. The migration from Ashyn to Roshar happened with a Bondsmith powering some Elsecalling. And that allowed for some pretty crazy things. Getting an entire population moved through a portal across that much space is a lot of work and a lot of energy. So what you’re asking, I think that’s stretching. Depends, again, on how long. Fifteen to one, not so hard. Fifteen years in a second is really hard and probably beyond what they have capacity to do. I see what you’re doing there. You saw me talk around it. Dragonsteel 2022 (Nov. 14, 2022)
Argenti he/him Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 42 minutes ago, alder24 said: Surge of Transoprtation Add to your build A-bendalloy, and a Bondsmith bond, which can cause time dilation. Don't forget about healing that can be useful. Or just be a Windrunner, go to space, and just accelerate with 1g (or just stuck as many as you can) for around a year in random direction and you will reach speeds very close to the speed of light. The fastest that's physically possible. You can't go faster than that in any other way. Hide contents Questioner At the end of Rhythm of War, we see Shard-induced time dilation; you bring a lot of Investiture into a place, and it slows down time. Brandon Sanderson It can also speed it up. Questioner How much Investiture would it take to dilate an area so that one area moves forward about fifteen years into the future while everything else remains? Like, they have ten minutes, everyone else goes fifteen years? Brandon Sanderson There’s a couple variables here. Number one is the length of the area, and how fast that fifteen years passes. If we want us to jump forward fifteen years, in how much time? Fifteen years compared to one year? Fifteen years compared to one minute? Fifteen years compared to one second? These are all different things. And, of course, the more you’re compressing and the larger the area, the more Investiture you’re requiring. Questioner Could two unchained Bondsmiths in the course of a duel do it? Brandon Sanderson Fifteen years? Fifteen years is gonna be a stretch for what they can get a hold of, but it depends. Unchained Bondsmith, unchained to (for instance) a deity that there is no longer a Vessel controlling that power in the way that it needs to have the limits on it is going to be able to access more than one where there was some Vessel there saying “no.” So there’s one factor in it. A Bondsmith can access a lot of power, as evidenced by the migration. The migration from Ashyn to Roshar happened with a Bondsmith powering some Elsecalling. And that allowed for some pretty crazy things. Getting an entire population moved through a portal across that much space is a lot of work and a lot of energy. So what you’re asking, I think that’s stretching. Depends, again, on how long. Fifteen to one, not so hard. Fifteen years in a second is really hard and probably beyond what they have capacity to do. I see what you’re doing there. You saw me talk around it. Dragonsteel 2022 (Nov. 14, 2022) I wonder how Abrasion and Gravitation interact, then you can go these speeds in the atmosphere
alder24 Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 Just now, Argenti said: I wonder how Abrasion and Gravitation interact, then you can go these speeds in the atmosphere Yes.
Argenti he/him Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 Just now, alder24 said: Yes. Great , now I want someone to duel wield Windrunner and Edgedancer honor blades!
Tamriel Wolfsbaine Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) The way Wax accelerates and slows himself with F iron might come in handy. Do all the things at a high weight and once you are moving as fast as you can cut your weight down to nearly nothing. I feel like that could be what you need to break those barriers thanks to conservation of momentum. Though I am no physicist. If you have the windrunner lashed around at 99% the speed of light and you instantly cut their weight in half would that push them past it? Edited May 10, 2023 by Tamriel Wolfsbaine
Argenti he/him Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: If you have the windrunner lashed around at .99% the speed of light and you instantly cut their weight in half would that push them past it? No, they would just get closer.
Walter The Moral Posted May 10, 2023 Author Posted May 10, 2023 57 minutes ago, alder24 said: Add to your build A-bendalloy, and a Bondsmith bond, which can cause time dilation. We know that a Bendalloy savant would be able to travel with the Bendalloy bubble (the closest WOB I could find was this: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/36/#e1547), so would that allow you to move FTL? If you're moving at the speed of light inside of the bubble, what happens outside?
alder24 Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 21 minutes ago, Walter The Moral said: We know that a Bendalloy savant would be able to travel with the Bendalloy bubble (the closest WOB I could find was this: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/36/#e1547), so would that allow you to move FTL? If you're moving at the speed of light inside of the bubble, what happens outside? No idea. Questions about getting FTL were Rafoed by Brandon.
Tamriel Wolfsbaine Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 31 minutes ago, Argenti said: No, they would just get closer. Is there a physical reason or is this simply wob says no so no? If you weight 2 tons while building speed and get within a mph of lights peed and then you stored it all cutting you weight down to just the weight of your metalminds the conservation of momentum just doesn't work? 1 minute ago, alder24 said: No idea. Questions about getting FTL were Rafoed by Brandon. Okay. All is RAFO then? Not a hard no for FTL?
alder24 Posted May 10, 2023 Posted May 10, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: I feel like that could be what you need to break those barriers thanks to conservation of momentum. Though I am no physicist. You can't just go faster than light, physics prohibits this - you would need infinite energy just to reach the speed of light. In Cosmere this will be possible, but with different methods than conservation of momentum - relativistic effects would prevent you from reaching the speed of light with just conservation of momentum. 1 hour ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: If you have the windrunner lashed around at 99% the speed of light and you instantly cut their weight in half would that push them past it? Unlikely, relativity would just make him go 99.999%, and if he cut his weight after it even more, he would go 99.9999999% of the speed of light. Time slows down the closer you are to the speed of light, which makes you accelerate slower. 1 hour ago, Walter The Moral said: We know that a Bendalloy savant would be able to travel with the Bendalloy bubble (the closest WOB I could find was this: https://wob.coppermind.net/events/36/#e1547), so would that allow you to move FTL? If you're moving at the speed of light inside of the bubble, what happens outside? Not exactly that, but Allomantic FTL involves bendally, WoBs below. 1 hour ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: Is there a physical reason or is this simply wob says no so no? If you weight 2 tons while building speed and get within a mph of lights peed and then you stored it all cutting you weight down to just the weight of your metalminds the conservation of momentum just doesn't work? The speed of light is a physical limit, maximum that there is. You can't exceed it. Likely to do that just with conservation of momentum, you would need to decrease your weight to literally 0, which isn't possible with F-iron. With speeds close to the speed of light, time dilation changes how speed and time behaves. Momentum is p=mv velocity is v=d/t. But close to the speed of light your v stops being d/t and starts being something weird that includes the speed of light as a limit, which prevents you from going faster than that. This is the equation for relativistic momentum: Spoiler When your speed v exceeds the speed of light c, the denominator of this equation becomes a square root of a negative number - which is impossible to solve in classical math. In fact, your v can't be c because then you would be dividing by 0, which is also not possible in math. Simply said, math prevents conservation of momentum to work in the way you propose. You like conservation of momentum too much, but it doesn't work alone, there are whole bunch of rules and laws that work together with conservation of momentum and you can't just ignore them. 1 hour ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: Okay. All is RAFO then? Not a hard no for FTL? Allomantic FLT is confirmed by Brandon, it works with bendalloy and cadmium (I'm almost certain that Allomantic FTL will work like Alcubierre Drive, instead of physically moving faster than the speed of light, you move spacetime around you faster than the speed of light, which physics allows), but that's not the whole thing. There is more to it which we don't know. Spoiler Questioner I've heard you say before that Mistborn was gonna be three trilogies? Brandon Sanderson It'll be three trilogies, yes. Questioner So the technology advances to faster-than-light? Brandon Sanderson Yes. The FTL is built into the magic systems, so there will be something where they figure out how to do that with the magic, and spaceships will be propelled using that. Questioner Expanding bubbles around the engines and around the ships? Brandon Sanderson You'll see. You will see. Questioner Someone on the site has a very convincing theory. Brandon Sanderson They're missing a very big important piece of the puzzle that you won't get for a few more books. Salt Lake City signing 2012 (Nov. 6, 2012) Spoiler aeromancer (paraphrased) So would it be possible to use Steelrunning + compounding to travel FTL? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No, it would not. You could get close, though. aeromancer (paraphrased) Kind of like Zemo's Paradox, than? You keep halving the distance, never quite making it? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) *gleam in his eye* Trying to crack Allomatic FTL? aeromancer (paraphrased) *guilty* Maybe. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) You can't. aeromancer (paraphrased) I don't know, there are alot of good theories out there. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) It involves Allomantic abilities which we don't know about yet. Miscellaneous 2014 (April 10, 2014) Spoiler Steeldancer (paraphrased) Have you ever heard of the Alcubierre Drive? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes, I know about the Alcubierre drive. Steeldancer (paraphrased) So, if we took two speed bubbles--mechanized, because Allomancers aren't powerful enough to pull it off--could we create a functioning Alcubierre drive? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) You are theorizing in the right direction. FanX Spring 2019 (April 19, 2019) Spoiler Kurkistan If I get a Slider, a Pulser, and a Nicroburst in a rocket with a lot of metal, do I have FTL? Brandon Sanderson Hehehehe. You're getting closer but you haven't figured it out yet. Words of Radiance Philadelphia signing (March 21, 2014) Spoiler Eric Peters You mentioned friday night in #Seattle Allomacy has "FTL" built into it, any more hints you can share on how that would work Brandon Sanderson It involves where the lost energy from thermodynamic issues goes in certain Allomantic interactions. Tor Twitter Chat (Nov. 14, 2011) Spoiler Leinton (paraphrased) Can you use Hemalurgy to power machinery? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) He was initially confused as to what I meant, so I said I got the idea from thinking about FTL travel, and he said that it was a RAFO, but that I was thinking along the right lines, there needs to be a merger between magic and technology. Firefight San Diego signing (Jan. 20, 2015) In this WoB Brandon is saying that he isn't breaking causality with his FTL - that disproves your idea of F-iron use. F-iron alone won't break causality and the speed of light. Spoiler Questioner You talked about Mistborn being the space traveler ones. I was wondering if you were going to utilize some of the speed bending into that, into the travel with it? Brandon Sanderson You will see what I do when I do that... The biggest problem is, for you physics majors, how we make sure that we're not breaking causality... So breaking causality is kinda my big no-no. For instance, I have right now that moving between Oathgates goes at the speed of light. But technically we still break causality, right, with Shadesmar stuff... But the issue--the way we can do it in Shadesmar is because it breaks causality, but there is so muc-- Like if you were able to go into Shadesmar, move at the speed of light, come out like, you could break causality but it's, in practice, impossible, because the difference is so slight. We also break causality with the Spiritual Realm, but I can control that. Questioner Also you can just kind of like, mulligan that off. Brandon Sanderson ...If we were having instant speed, communication and things like that... yeah if we have an ansible, that's how we're not breaking causality. How we're not doing the train thought experiment which breaks my brain... So that's the big thing I have to worry about once we get to the Mistborn era, the space travel and stuff. Like, right now I don't break causality, or at least if I do, it is indiscernible to human ability to realize it. Once we get to actual space travel, and actual FTL, then I want to have rules in place, even if it is just like the rule for red shifts. On speed bubbles, where I say, "Yeah it just doesn't happen." Letting you know. But it would be no fun. Even if it's just that. But I at least want to have that in hand. Emerald City Comic Con 2018 (March 1, 2018) Edited May 10, 2023 by alder24 2
cometaryorbit Posted May 11, 2023 Posted May 11, 2023 As written, Transportation Surge, yeah. But excluding all forms of teleportation, regular physical movement ... In space, Gravitation Surge + enough distance and time to accelerate = any speed you want short of light speed, yeah. For regular movement on the surface of a planet, the fastest combination is probably a Double Steel Twinborn with a hemalurgic spike granting A-pewter (Brandon's said pewter/steel might be faster in a short race than double steel) and then the Abrasion and/or Adhesion Surge to reduce friction / air resistance (pick up an Honorblade or two, apparently Radiant spren don't like Hemalurgy, though maybe you could get an Ashspren to pick you anyway). You could throw in another hemalurgic spike for A-bendalloy, but I don't think it helps much. You'd be out of the bubble in an instant and there's a delay of about two seconds, iirc, to make a new one - so you'd only be in bubbles an insignificant fraction of the time.
Tamriel Wolfsbaine Posted May 12, 2023 Posted May 12, 2023 On 5/10/2023 at 10:23 AM, alder24 said: You can't just go faster than light, physics prohibits this - you would need infinite energy just to reach the speed of light. In Cosmere this will be possible, but with different methods than conservation of momentum - relativistic effects would prevent you from reaching the speed of light with just conservation of momentum. Unlikely, relativity would just make him go 99.999%, and if he cut his weight after it even more, he would go 99.9999999% of the speed of light. Time slows down the closer you are to the speed of light, which makes you accelerate slower. Not exactly that, but Allomantic FTL involves bendally, WoBs below. The speed of light is a physical limit, maximum that there is. You can't exceed it. Likely to do that just with conservation of momentum, you would need to decrease your weight to literally 0, which isn't possible with F-iron. With speeds close to the speed of light, time dilation changes how speed and time behaves. Momentum is p=mv velocity is v=d/t. But close to the speed of light your v stops being d/t and starts being something weird that includes the speed of light as a limit, which prevents you from going faster than that. This is the equation for relativistic momentum: Reveal hidden contents When your speed v exceeds the speed of light c, the denominator of this equation becomes a square root of a negative number - which is impossible to solve in classical math. In fact, your v can't be c because then you would be dividing by 0, which is also not possible in math. Simply said, math prevents conservation of momentum to work in the way you propose. You like conservation of momentum too much, but it doesn't work alone, there are whole bunch of rules and laws that work together with conservation of momentum and you can't just ignore them. Allomantic FLT is confirmed by Brandon, it works with bendalloy and cadmium (I'm almost certain that Allomantic FTL will work like Alcubierre Drive, instead of physically moving faster than the speed of light, you move spacetime around you faster than the speed of light, which physics allows), but that's not the whole thing. There is more to it which we don't know. Reveal hidden contents Questioner I've heard you say before that Mistborn was gonna be three trilogies? Brandon Sanderson It'll be three trilogies, yes. Questioner So the technology advances to faster-than-light? Brandon Sanderson Yes. The FTL is built into the magic systems, so there will be something where they figure out how to do that with the magic, and spaceships will be propelled using that. Questioner Expanding bubbles around the engines and around the ships? Brandon Sanderson You'll see. You will see. Questioner Someone on the site has a very convincing theory. Brandon Sanderson They're missing a very big important piece of the puzzle that you won't get for a few more books. Salt Lake City signing 2012 (Nov. 6, 2012) Reveal hidden contents aeromancer (paraphrased) So would it be possible to use Steelrunning + compounding to travel FTL? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) No, it would not. You could get close, though. aeromancer (paraphrased) Kind of like Zemo's Paradox, than? You keep halving the distance, never quite making it? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) *gleam in his eye* Trying to crack Allomatic FTL? aeromancer (paraphrased) *guilty* Maybe. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) You can't. aeromancer (paraphrased) I don't know, there are alot of good theories out there. Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) It involves Allomantic abilities which we don't know about yet. Miscellaneous 2014 (April 10, 2014) Reveal hidden contents Steeldancer (paraphrased) Have you ever heard of the Alcubierre Drive? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) Yes, I know about the Alcubierre drive. Steeldancer (paraphrased) So, if we took two speed bubbles--mechanized, because Allomancers aren't powerful enough to pull it off--could we create a functioning Alcubierre drive? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) You are theorizing in the right direction. FanX Spring 2019 (April 19, 2019) Reveal hidden contents Kurkistan If I get a Slider, a Pulser, and a Nicroburst in a rocket with a lot of metal, do I have FTL? Brandon Sanderson Hehehehe. You're getting closer but you haven't figured it out yet. Words of Radiance Philadelphia signing (March 21, 2014) Reveal hidden contents Eric Peters You mentioned friday night in #Seattle Allomacy has "FTL" built into it, any more hints you can share on how that would work Brandon Sanderson It involves where the lost energy from thermodynamic issues goes in certain Allomantic interactions. Tor Twitter Chat (Nov. 14, 2011) Reveal hidden contents Leinton (paraphrased) Can you use Hemalurgy to power machinery? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) He was initially confused as to what I meant, so I said I got the idea from thinking about FTL travel, and he said that it was a RAFO, but that I was thinking along the right lines, there needs to be a merger between magic and technology. Firefight San Diego signing (Jan. 20, 2015) In this WoB Brandon is saying that he isn't breaking causality with his FTL - that disproves your idea of F-iron use. F-iron alone won't break causality and the speed of light. Reveal hidden contents Questioner You talked about Mistborn being the space traveler ones. I was wondering if you were going to utilize some of the speed bending into that, into the travel with it? Brandon Sanderson You will see what I do when I do that... The biggest problem is, for you physics majors, how we make sure that we're not breaking causality... So breaking causality is kinda my big no-no. For instance, I have right now that moving between Oathgates goes at the speed of light. But technically we still break causality, right, with Shadesmar stuff... But the issue--the way we can do it in Shadesmar is because it breaks causality, but there is so muc-- Like if you were able to go into Shadesmar, move at the speed of light, come out like, you could break causality but it's, in practice, impossible, because the difference is so slight. We also break causality with the Spiritual Realm, but I can control that. Questioner Also you can just kind of like, mulligan that off. Brandon Sanderson ...If we were having instant speed, communication and things like that... yeah if we have an ansible, that's how we're not breaking causality. How we're not doing the train thought experiment which breaks my brain... So that's the big thing I have to worry about once we get to the Mistborn era, the space travel and stuff. Like, right now I don't break causality, or at least if I do, it is indiscernible to human ability to realize it. Once we get to actual space travel, and actual FTL, then I want to have rules in place, even if it is just like the rule for red shifts. On speed bubbles, where I say, "Yeah it just doesn't happen." Letting you know. But it would be no fun. Even if it's just that. But I at least want to have that in hand. Emerald City Comic Con 2018 (March 1, 2018) I really appreciate this. I only know enough physics to understand my job... breathing for people whose bodies have quit breathing for themselves and all that goes with it. This was really enlightening. My brain thinks far to linearly I think. Anyways. I remember speed bubbles being usable on trains (I think). I don't know if it would be considered true FTL travel but I imagine if you had a ship traveling 99% the speed of light and your crew all stayed inside of a cadmium bubble you could get a similar effect to the space travel from Ender's Game / Speaker for the Dead and so forth. Time standing nearly still for those in the bubble while time passes for everyone else like normal. You could potentially make trips around the cosmere but everyone else would be aging and dying around you while you are doing it. I don't know how practical that would be for Cosmere story telling however.
alder24 Posted May 12, 2023 Posted May 12, 2023 6 hours ago, Tamriel Wolfsbaine said: Anyways. I remember speed bubbles being usable on trains (I think). I don't know if it would be considered true FTL travel but I imagine if you had a ship traveling 99% the speed of light and your crew all stayed inside of a cadmium bubble you could get a similar effect to the space travel from Ender's Game / Speaker for the Dead and so forth. Time standing nearly still for those in the bubble while time passes for everyone else like normal. You could potentially make trips around the cosmere but everyone else would be aging and dying around you while you are doing it. I don't know how practical that would be for Cosmere story telling however. You can do that, you can use cadmium bubbles to create some form of cryosleep, where the crew experience time far faster than from the outside perspective - but that's not practical in the case of reacting to events happening outside. Let's say humans colonized Proxima Centauri, the closest star system to ours, only 4.25 light years away from us. Something happens there, disaster strikes - they need our immediate help. But before we know that something has happened there, on Earth already 4.25 years have passed when we received the radio signals. We’re sending a spaceship at 99.9999% of the speed of light, surrounded with a cadmium bubble, for the crew only 1 day has passed when they arrive at Proxima Centauri. On both Earth and Proxima Centauri another 4.25 years passed, and since the disaster struck, 8.5 years have passed and everyone is already dead when help arrives. As you can see, the cadmium bubble isn't helping with dynamic storytelling, when you're traveling between different inhabited planets. That's why I said Allomantic FTL will work like Alcubierre Drive. Alcubierre Drive is a device whihc instead of propelling the spacecraft through the spacetime, it moves the spacetime around the spacecraft instead. Put a toy car on a piece of paper and make a dot on it - to make the car reach the dot you can either move the car on the paper, or move the paper under the car, without moving the car itself - Alcubierre Drive does the latter, it is contracting space in front of the spacecraft and expanding space behind it, which creates a space around it known as a warp bubble (coincidence? I don't think so). This bubble would travel through spacetime like a wave on the ocean, carrying the spacecraft with that wave. Because spacetime is massless, physics allows it to be moving faster than the speed of light (it already does that, spacetime is already expanding faster than the speed of light). And you know what? A-bendalloy and A-cadmium already do half of those things. These metals pull and push on the spacetime itself. Now you need to make like a half-bubble, you need to pull on the spacetime in front of your spaceship (cadmium) contracting it, and push on it behind the spaceship expanding the spacetime behind (bendalloy). I think it should be in that combination. Then you need lots of energy to uphold those half-bubbles and move them around, moving the spaceship within them. And here you go, Alcubierre Drive. If you don't understand it, don't worry, I don't understand it either 1
IlstrawberrySeed Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) Bendalloy savant windrunner with, A-Steel, F-Steel, Durilium, Necrosil Elantiran, with a way to survive without eating, drinking, breathing, or passing excrement. You create a vacume around yourself, Create aons that produces metal inside of your stomach and light for your sheres. Bendalloy causes time dilation, so your relitive speed is only helped due to the relitive molassas on what your pushing on. F-Steel causes you to burn metals faster, apply lashings faster, etc. Apply lashings on yourself constantly, use Acceleration Aons, and Apply Necroburst RLs on metalic objects behind you outside of Bendalloy to push against (Between molassas and RL, you should be propeled, rather than it). No friction or colisions, propulsion from gravitation and A-steel (possibly aons), and time dilation effects. Alcatraz spoilers: Spoiler Use a soulstamp to physically become an adult pinguin, giving you another propulsion, this time directly effected by F-steel Edited May 18, 2023 by IlstrawberrySeed
Walter The Moral Posted May 17, 2023 Author Posted May 17, 2023 20 hours ago, IlstrawberrySeed said: with a way to survive without eating, drinking, breathing, or passing excrement, and a way to prevent friction and particles. Eating and Drinking are removed with Bendalloy Feruchemy Breathing is removed with a Cadmium Ferring And friction is removed with an Edgedancer
IlstrawberrySeed Posted May 18, 2023 Posted May 18, 2023 23 hours ago, Walter The Moral said: Eating and Drinking are removed with Bendalloy Feruchemy Breathing is removed with a Cadmium Ferring And friction is removed with an Edgedancer There are lots of ways to remove all of these, and Friction and particles are actually covered by being a windrunner (vacuum). I figured I wouldn't give specifics due to the multitude of possibilities, and rather list the things needed.
The Stick Posted May 23, 2023 Posted May 23, 2023 Another way to go faster and become extremely powerful as an added bonus is using ChayShan. It seems to increase speed, and the faster you go, the more Dor-Powered you are.
Leuthie Posted May 23, 2023 Posted May 23, 2023 Wayne has been the fastest character on screen that we've seen so far. That should tell you something. 2
HSuperLee Posted May 23, 2023 Posted May 23, 2023 Admittedly, this goes beyond my understanding of physics, but once you break the sound barrier in atmosphere, isn't there some other effect of air resistance that's not affected by friction? I'm not sure how well Abrasion works once you start going beyond sonic speeds. Granted, this wouldn't be an issue at all in space, but if we're talking about practical uses of speed here, nothing short of allomantic FTL is going to be useful for cosmic distances, and I'm pretty sure that eventually you start getting diminishing returns in atmosphere, where you have to put in more and more power for smaller and smaller increases to speed. Yes, you technically get those in space too, but not until you start reaching relativistic speeds.
alder24 Posted May 23, 2023 Posted May 23, 2023 26 minutes ago, HSuperLee said: Admittedly, this goes beyond my understanding of physics, but once you break the sound barrier in atmosphere, isn't there some other effect of air resistance that's not affected by friction? I'm not sure how well Abrasion works once you start going beyond sonic speeds. Granted, this wouldn't be an issue at all in space, but if we're talking about practical uses of speed here, nothing short of allomantic FTL is going to be useful for cosmic distances, and I'm pretty sure that eventually you start getting diminishing returns in atmosphere, where you have to put in more and more power for smaller and smaller increases to speed. Yes, you technically get those in space too, but not until you start reaching relativistic speeds. As far as I know, there are two effects here that works together - heat and air compression. It's like a spaceship entering the atmosphere with enormous speeds - it compresses the air in front of it, heating it up and friction carries that heat into the spaceship. If you get rid of heat, by for example storing it in a Brassmind, you still have air compressed in front of you, resisting you harder and harder the faster you go. At some point every step would just feel like running into a concrete wall. But friction would eliminate that issue as well, as you can basically get rid of air drag fully.
cometaryorbit Posted May 24, 2023 Posted May 24, 2023 (edited) "Ram drag", yeah - which isn't exactly friction, but if Abrasion can't handle it, Adhesion should be able to, at least for a sufficiently skilled Windrunner (I don't know if Kaladin's windspren-based tricks would be possible for the holder of Jezrien's Honorblade). So maybe high Ideal Steel Compounder Twinborn who becomes a Windrunner with a Honorblade for Abrasion and spike for A-Pewter? They could reach near light speed via Gravitation in space (plus A-Pewter to take more G-forces without unconsciousness), effectively fly through vacuum in atmosphere with some combination of Adhesion and Abrasion, and on the ground use double steel + A-Pewter toughening. Problem is that Radiant spren don't like Hemalurgy, so this probably won't work. Windrunner A-Pewter/F-Steel Twinborn with an Abrasion Honorblade might be as close as possible. On 5/23/2023 at 11:57 AM, Leuthie said: Wayne has been the fastest character on screen that we've seen so far. That should tell you something. Hmm, good point. I guess it depends on the kind of speed involved. For maximum peak speed, yeah, Duralumin A-Bendalloy (maybe throw in F-Steel too) probably wins. But bubbles are small, so over a distance they don't really help (given the necessary delay between bubbles). Edited May 24, 2023 by cometaryorbit
Walter The Moral Posted May 26, 2023 Author Posted May 26, 2023 On 5/24/2023 at 7:56 PM, cometaryorbit said: I guess it depends on the kind of speed involved. For maximum peak speed, yeah, Duralumin A-Bendalloy (maybe throw in F-Steel too) probably wins. But bubbles are small, so over a distance they don't really help (given the necessary delay between bubbles). Bendalloy savants are able to move with their speed bubbles, which could make that work.
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