Long Game 94: The Call of the Forest of Hell

[Elandera she/her]

2 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Do you allow kill overrides?

Yes. I will take whichever kill was submitted last.

[The Unknown Medallion he/him]

2 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Yeah. But it can't be Araris I don't think.

Edited to add: @The Known Novel - How much Glowpaste do you have left?

None? I'll go check but I thought I only had one. Yeah, just one.  Single one time use item.

[Kasimir he/him]

4 minutes ago, Ashbringer said:

Spoiler

Archer, why should we trust you over TKN? I feel like this reaction is strange. Though… hmm. 

 

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24 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Archer is claiming SE - He claims that he self protected last night, Implying that he's worried he is going to be shot last night/executed today and therefore needs his silver bones to protect him from a potential execution.

I think this misses as well that this implies he's fine with potentially killing a vig of either alignment - Village or Elim. Remember the SE protect kills and especially in Village vig world, Archer has no way of knowing that the Village vig attacking him would have protection. (Sart did not, or so it is theorised.)

25 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Sart was killed by shades since the counter is still at 0, meaning the elim kill was prevented again, theoretically on Kas.

We don't know this for sure. It's our hypothesis, and it's the best existing one in my view that doesn't overcomplicate things. It doesn't entail the Elim kill was prevented again necessarily - it could also entail that Wrath was triggered because the counter resets everytime Wrath is triggered. (Actually it'd have to be triggered, one way or another.) However, since Sart would have failed to successfully kill Archer, Sart basically had to have triggered a Shade Expert's protect for him to have been killed by the Shades. 

I still have my protect. Meaning I did not trigger Wrath.

27 minutes ago, Illwei said:

Archer is claiming SE - He claims that he self protected last night, Implying that he's worried he is going to be shot last night/executed today and therefore needs his silver bones to protect him from a potential execution.

I also think it's worth noting that Archer doesn't disagree that he was attacked, i.e. that he lost his claimed SE protect ability. This means we do have to account for an attack on Archer, which is currently hypothesised to have been Sart using a Crossbow.

3 minutes ago, The Known Novel said:

None? I'll go check but I thought I only had one. Yeah, just one.  Single one time use item.

Sorry, confused this with QF3 (I know, embarrassing) where there was multiple blobs of Glowpaste  

One more note.

Glowpaste is a Day action. If we hypothesise the use of a Spellbook:

-We had a 20% chance of seeing someone go insane in the N2 write-up. This did not happen. To be sure, 20% isn't that big, but it won't explain Alv.
-The user would've had to have targeted TKN in the Day. That's not the most significant thing but it rules out Alv, who used VitC.
-That's really long-distance set-up and the ability to tell TKN had Glowpaste somehow. Spellbook's too nifty to waste randomly redirecting people in the hopes it'll pay off, and changing during the Day is risky because if you go insane the next Turn, this implies at Night, at which point it should be obvious it was you.

@The Known Novel - Had a PM with anyone? Any way someone could've guessed you had Glowpaste?

Pretty much implies that all V!Archer worlds require us to take seriously the fact that a protectless Shade Expert is significant enough that the Elims let TKN lie to get us to waste two exes on Archer, after which we kill TKN, but hey, it's totally worth it.

[Ashbringer he/him]

11 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

?

I'll come back to it. I need to think, there's another game that might be relevant, and I'm... nervous. You know me. 

12 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

We don't know this for sure. It's our hypothesis, and it's the best existing one in my view that doesn't overcomplicate things. It doesn't entail the Elim kill was prevented again necessarily - it could also entail that Wrath was triggered because the counter resets everytime Wrath is triggered. (Actually it'd have to be triggered, one way or another.) However, since Sart would have failed to successfully kill Archer, Sart basically had to have triggered a Shade Expert's protect for him to have been killed by the Shades. 

I still have my protect. Meaning I did not trigger Wrath.

Does it?

... fine I'll yell this.

@Elandera, does Wrath reset once it triggers or once it kills someone? The rules say "dies" but it's an important clarification.

[Elandera she/her]

1 minute ago, Ashbringer said:

I'll come back to it. I need to think, there's another game that might be relevant, and I'm... nervous. You know me. 

Does it?

... fine I'll yell this.

@Elandera, does Wrath reset once it triggers or once it kills someone? The rules say "dies" but it's an important clarification.

It resets once it kills someone. However, it only increases when someone dies to an attack from another player.

N1: No deaths.

N2: Death that did not result in an increase in WoS counter.

So the counter remains at 5%.

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Elandera said:

It resets once it kills someone. However, it only increases when someone dies to an attack from another player.

Just to confirm: if Wrath triggers but the target is protected, the % remains?

[Elandera she/her]

Just now, Kasimir said:

Just to confirm: if Wrath triggers but the target is protected, the % remains?

Yes. It only increases when someone dies to an attack from another player.

[Ashbringer he/him]

Think that means that Sart had to die from Wrath, either normal or the SE's retributive one.

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Ashbringer said:

Think that means that Sart had to die from Wrath, either normal or the SE's retributive one.

Normal Wrath only triggers if you kill someone. Shades are harsh instructors: you don't get Wrathed just by having tried to kill. Ya gotta really get deep in their blood and guts and murder the poor bastard, you know? Then they get all red glowy eyed and then you gotta leg it but you're probably dead by then.

Trust me, I'm the Expert

But seriously - had to be retributive and wasn't mine. Sart didn't kill anyone else, as we can see from the corpse. Didn't hit my protection either.

[Elandera she/her]

Alright. Let's make this super clear:

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Those who kill another player have a 5% chance of their precautions failing, thus they will be attacked by the shades and killed. This does not include the execution. Every time a player kills another player the chances of enraging the Shades increases by 5%. Once someone dies to the Shades, the percentage resets.

 

Edited May 1, 2023 by Elandera

[Kasimir he/him]

2 minutes ago, Elandera said:

Alright. Let's make this super clear:

Instructions unclear, ma'am.

If a GM kills a player for asking the same questions repeatedly, or that another player has asked, what happens to the Wrath %?

[Elandera she/her]

Just now, Kasimir said:

Instructions unclear, ma'am.

If a GM kills a player for asking the same questions repeatedly, or that another player has asked, what happens to the Wrath %?

Nothing. But secret rule Wrath of GM might come into play... 

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

5 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Trust me, I'm the Expert

Is this a claim?

[Kasimir he/him]

4 minutes ago, Elandera said:

Nothing. But secret rule Wrath of GM might come into play... 

B-but...you told me there were no secret rules when I asked...

And no secret secret rules...

...And no extra special secret secret rules....  

2 minutes ago, TheAlpha929 said:

Is this a claim?

....No, why would you think it was one? I'm Seraphimon  

Edited to add:

1 hour ago, Archer said:

Did anyone do some spellbook shenanigans on TKN? If not, this is a straight up lie. But I imagine when I flip he'll say it was misdirection and get away with having wasted a round. 

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Silver Bones - Players with silver bones won’t go out without a fight. They will survive one sacrifice, shade attack, or execution. Getting attacked will not trigger broken survivors.

Shared without comment, merely a question mark.

Edited May 1, 2023 by Kasimir

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

Yeah that’s a claim m8

[Alvron]

11 hours ago, DeTess said:

Sorry, make that Alvron. You know what you did. Seriously, I hadn't fallen for that one in years.

 What did I do?

10 hours ago, DeTess said:

Alvron knows what he did. And If you take a thorough look at his posts this cycle, you'll know as well, and understand why he needs to be brought to justice, irrespective of his actual alignment. I'll probably swap to Archer at some point, but right now I need to vent my indignation.

10 hours ago, DeTess said:

@Kasimir It's about this bit from his analysis post, specifically the profile of Aman Alvron linked to:

Oh no. Did I accidentally leave a link to one of my top secret, highly coveted profile pages.  The horror.  I'm sure no one would be interested in something like that.

2 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Just to confirm. The current theory is that Alv's insanity is just Alv getting Horrored, yeah? Nothing to do with Spellbook shenanigans?

I followed you down the rabbit hole.  Skip and Dance.  Skip and Dance.  Pebbles in the lake.  Moths at sunset.

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, Alvron said:

I followed you down the rabbit hole.  Skip and Dance.  Skip and Dance.  Pebbles in the lake.  Moths at sunset.

Beautiful. Ash in the snow. Shells in the foam. Rise of the flame.

1 minute ago, TheAlpha929 said:

Yeah that’s a claim m8

If you think that's a claim, you haven't been following the last five pages of this thread

[Ashbringer he/him]

10 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Normal Wrath only triggers if you kill someone. Shades are harsh instructors: you don't get Wrathed just by having tried to kill. Ya gotta really get deep in their blood and guts and murder the poor bastard, you know? Then they get all red glowy eyed and then you gotta leg it but you're probably dead by then.

Trust me, I'm the Expert

But seriously - had to be retributive and wasn't mine. Sart didn't kill anyone else, as we can see from the corpse. Didn't hit my protection either.

But I'm the Son of Threnody and that's not how it works-

Fine. I guess that makes more balance sense.

So definitely shot one of Archer/Alvron (or someone else with Silver Bones who's just quiet) and hit an SE retribute.

Or another rabbit hole, but that's near definite enough for me

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

1 minute ago, Kasimir said:

Beautiful. Ash in the snow. Shells in the foam. Rise of the flame.

If you think that's a claim, you haven't been following the last five pages of this thread

Not really

EDIT: @Kasimir you said you wanted a mask? I got you bro

Edited May 1, 2023 by TheAlpha929

[Ashbringer he/him]

So cold

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

Just now, Ashbringer said:

So cold

Same my guy

Spoiler

Almost as cold as my heart 

 

[Alvron]

3 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Beautiful. Ash in the snow.

1 minute ago, Ashbringer said:

So cold

Let's build an Ashmount in the snow!

[Kasimir he/him]

3 minutes ago, TheAlpha929 said:

EDIT: @Kasimir you said you wanted a mask? I got you bro

If possible, would be grateful if you could pass it over. Would've been best if you didn't claim, because the Elims can always destroy it by targeting you, but that's just a risk at this point I think and forces them to take an action. If I die tonight for some reason, you'll get it back. But I've been asking for one if possible to see if I can trigger Wrath on an Elim and would appreciate the extra protection - if I trigger Wrath successfully and still have it, I've no objections to passing it back to you.

[The Paradoxical Phenomenon he/him]

Just now, Kasimir said:

If possible, would be grateful if you could pass it over. Would've been best if you didn't claim, because the Elims can always destroy it by targeting you, but that's just a risk at this point I think and forces them to take an action. If I die tonight for some reason, you'll get it back. But I've been asking for one if possible to see if I can trigger Wrath on an Elim and would appreciate the extra protection - if I trigger Wrath successfully and still have it, I've no objections to passing it back to you.

Okey doke

[Kasimir he/him]

Just now, TheAlpha929 said:

Okey doke

Ty. Passing is a Night action!

Edited to add:

Two Pallid Mask claims, hmm...

Edited May 1, 2023 by Kasimir