Honer Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 (edited) So, we know how moving through the cognitive realm can get you to other planets or systems, so could moving through the spiritual realm bring you to other realities, such as earth for example? Just a small theory, but would love to get some feedback! Edit: A different way of saying this is that maybe while things can view their perception of themselves in the cognitive realm, they can be seen from the reader’s perspective in the spiritual realm, and might be able to push through a sort of fourth wall. Edited April 1 by Honer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 14 minutes ago, Honer said: So, we know how moving through the cognitive realm can get you to other planets or systems, so could moving through the spiritual realm bring you to other realities, such as earth for example? Just a small theory, but would love to get some feedback! Earth isn't part of Cosmere, there is no Earth there. And Spiritual Realm is timeless and spaceless, you can't go there or travel through there. 4 dimensional beings like humans can't exist in 0 dimension. Everything partially exists in the Spiritual Realm already, but except for Shards, nothing exists mainly there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heilven Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 My take on this is that the spiritual realm is the body of adonalsium, and is made up entirely of investiture (as investiture is the "body" of adonalsium). So you can peer into the spiritual realm, but you cannot enter it. The cognitive realm is physical because everything we imagine is physical, and so it can be traveled in. All beings already exist partly in the spiritual realm of course, as spirit webs exist in the spiritual realm. The more innate investiture you have, the larger your presence in the spiritual realm. Those holding a shard are almost entirely in the spiritual realm, and so they can see through it all the time. But they can't travel in it, because traveling in a place with no space or time is meaningless. You can't even enter it, since it is made up of only investiture. To enter the spiritual realm would mean shedding your Identity, and at that point you aren't really even you anymore, all that's left is your spirit web. Your spirit web cannot make decisions or act in any way, so you haven't really done anything per say. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamkarma Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 There is no time travel or multiiverses in the Cosmere. There's a wob out there that says so. Son no you can't go to any other realities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla the Immortal Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 3 hours ago, alder24 said: Earth isn't part of Cosmere, there is no Earth there. And Spiritual Realm is timeless and spaceless, you can't go there or travel through there. 4 dimensional beings like humans can't exist in 0 dimension. Everything partially exists in the Spiritual Realm already, but except for Shards, nothing exists mainly there. wait. 4 dimensional beings? I thought we were three dimensional. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alder24 Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Being of Cacophony said: wait. 4 dimensional beings? I thought we were three dimensional. Spacetime is 4 dimensional. 3 spatial dimensions and 1 dimension of time. So yes, almost everything in our Universe is in 4D. including humans. Edited March 31 by alder24 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heilven Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 4 minutes ago, Being of Cacophony said: wait. 4 dimensional beings? I thought we were three dimensional. 3 Physical + 1 Time. Spiritual Realm is spaceless and timeless 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ookla the Immortal Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 ah, I see. I forgot time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trusk'our Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 1 hour ago, Heilven said: My take on this is that the spiritual realm is the body of adonalsium, and is made up entirely of investiture (as investiture is the "body" of adonalsium). So you can peer into the spiritual realm, but you cannot enter it. What about Elantrian's ability to teleport with Aon Tia? I thought that it was basically the ability to enter the SR at one point and exit back to the PR in another, which would mean that you would have to be able to enter the SR completely. Perhaps you get "converted" entirely into Investiture, then changed back as you return to the physical realm. And...TLM spoilers Spoiler In TLM chapter 43, Tensoon mentions that someone drawing on the Bands of Mourning could potentially "travel great distances", presumably because they draw in so much Investiture that they form a Perpendicularity and briefly enter the SR, allowing them to teleport to their desired location. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heilven Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 1 minute ago, Trusk'our said: What about Elantrian's ability to teleport with Aon Tia? I thought that it was basically the ability to enter the SR at one point and exit back to the PR in another, which would mean that you would have to be able to enter the SR completely. Perhaps you get "converted" entirely into Investiture, then changed back as you return to the physical realm. And...TLM spoilers Reveal hidden contents In TLM chapter 43, Tensoon mentions that someone drawing on the Bands of Mourning could potentially "travel great distances", presumably because they draw in so much Investiture that they form a Perpendicularity and briefly enter the SR, allowing them to teleport to their desired location. You know honestly I have no clue how ptp teleportation works. We know it's possible from a variety of ways, from elsecallers to elantrians, but I have no good theory on how it works. Something like your explanation appeals to me a lot. I like the idea that teleportation is basically startrek transporters haha. Just turn your body into investiture, connect you to a new physical point, then turn it back. I don't know if this is his intended explanation, but I think it's really funny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cometaryorbit Posted March 31 Report Share Posted March 31 I think that true instantaneous teleportation (Aon Tia, Oathgates) works by going directly through the Spiritual, yeah. But the person doesn't "enter" the Spiritual exactly - it's instantaneous, you're not hanging out in the Spiritual in between leaving and arriving. It probably does involve converting into and out of Investiture though. Worldhopping by perpendicularities involves literally walking through the Cognitive Realm between planets. The one I'm not sure of is the Transportation Fused "teleport". It's not truly instant (Kaladin sees a red streak of light/spren) and is visible in the Physical Realm. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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