Bendalloy

[TheBreadRuler]

So, Bendalloy Mistings can technically change the size and shape of their bubbles.

They can also leave things out of those bubbles.

And a savant should also be able to move the bubble with them.

So what's stopping them from being a Steelrunner that doesn't have to store or Compound Speed?

They can shrink the size of the bubble to only include them, excluding everyone else and saving some Bendalloy.

Speed is really the only advantage the Metallic Arts has over other magic systems, except maybe unsealed Metalminds and the Feruchemical utilities.

Brandon has stated that a Feruchemist can beat a Surgebinder if they just tap a lot of speed and strength, so I don't see why duralumin or a savant Allomancer can't do the same thing.

Am I missing something here? Bendalloy just seems like such a powerful combat metal, even if pewter and duralumin are also needed to beat a Surgebinder, for example.

Also 2 minutes per nugget is a lot more time than it seems.

[Trusk'our he/him]

11 minutes ago, TheBreadRuler said:

So, Bendalloy Mistings can technically change the size and shape of their bubbles.

They can also leave things out of those bubbles.

And a savant should also be able to move the bubble with them.

So what's stopping them from being a Steelrunner that doesn't have to store or Compound Speed?

They can shrink the size of the bubble to only include them, excluding everyone else and saving some Bendalloy.

Speed is really the only advantage the Metallic Arts has over other magic systems, except maybe unsealed Metalminds and the Feruchemical utilities.

Brandon has stated that a Feruchemist can beat a Surgebinder if they just tap a lot of speed and strength, so I don't see why duralumin or a savant Allomancer can't do the same thing.

Am I missing something here? Bendalloy just seems like such a powerful combat metal, even if pewter and duralumin are also needed to beat a Surgebinder, for example.

Also 2 minutes per nugget is a lot more time than it seems.

I think that it depends on certain factors. 

First of all, Bendalloy is supposed to be pretty expensive, so most Sliders won't have the ability to burn enough metal to become Savants. It is also possible that a Bendalloy Savant can't completely exclude everything but themselves but can merely pick and choose a few things by sculpting their Speed-Bubble just right.

But assuming that a Slider can get enough metal to become a Savant, and assuming that they could be skilled enough to exclude everything but themselves, you're right; they would be very powerful in combat, and possibly be even better than Steelrunners since they don't have to store speed over time, and their clothing, weapons, and other articles may be less vulnerable to high velocity as well, since they could be inside the bubble.

A Slider doesn't gain extra punching or hitting power from increased speed though (like when bullets exit a speed bubble and slow down drastically), as their speed comes from time dilation, while a Steelrunner's speed almost certainly should, since it is an actual increase in one's comparative speed. So there's that.

[alder24]

I agree with @Trusk'our. To add more, when part of your enemy's body touches the bubble, he fully enters the bubble, so you wouldn't be able to use speed for powerful strikes like with F-steel (kinetic energy goes crazy with steel) .

[Returned he/him]

10 hours ago, TheBreadRuler said:

Also 2 minutes per nugget is a lot more time than it seems.

Maybe not as much when you've only got a couple of nuggets! Wayne comments on running out a few times in sticky situations. @Trusk'our has it right, Wayne even mentions that most Sliders can't afford enough Bendalloy to become anything close to a savant. Bendalloy is also really dangerous to handle and especially ingest. Not a big deal for someone who is also a Bloodmaker, but another Slider who wants to use a lot of Bendalloy is probably going to have some serious health problems in short order (which are even worse when the effects are sped up relative to the rest of the world, which might be able to treat you).

But I think that you're right that, if someone could deal with the scarcity and toxicity, Bendalloy would be a very useful Allomantic metal to be skilled with. I imagine we'll see more of it in later Mistborn books for that reason, though we'll have to wait a bit to find out for sure.

[StanLemon]

14 hours ago, Returned said:

Maybe not as much when you've only got a couple of nuggets! Wayne comments on running out a few times in sticky situations. @Trusk'our has it right, Wayne even mentions that most Sliders can't afford enough Bendalloy to become anything close to a savant. Bendalloy is also really dangerous to handle and especially ingest. Not a big deal for someone who is also a Bloodmaker, but another Slider who wants to use a lot of Bendalloy is probably going to have some serious health problems in short order (which are even worse when the effects are sped up relative to the rest of the world, which might be able to treat you).

But I think that you're right that, if someone could deal with the scarcity and toxicity, Bendalloy would be a very useful Allomantic metal to be skilled with. I imagine we'll see more of it in later Mistborn books for that reason, though we'll have to wait a bit to find out for sure.

According to Brandon, Allomncers have resistance to metal poisoning 

[alder24]

5 minutes ago, StanLemon said:

According to Brandon, Allomncers have resistance to metal poisoning 

Are they? WoB? Kelsier was warning VIn to always burn away all her metals or get rid of them in other ways before going to sleep, because they can be harmful.

[StanLemon]

4 minutes ago, alder24 said:

Are they? WoB? Kelsier was warning VIn to always burn away all her metals or get rid of them in other ways before going to sleep, because they can be harmful.

Here you go. My guess is that metal poisoning is known about, but because Allomancers generally burn off their metals they never experienced it and people just assumed that Allomancers can get metal poisoning too if they didn't burn their metals. Zane slept with metals in his system and never got sick despite his concerns. My guess is they are only immune to metals they can burn

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Now i'm morbidly curious whether u/mistborn has considered it [cadmium poisoning] while writing his books.

Brandon Sanderson

I have, actually. Though I had to consider it for other metals first. I decided that allomancers are immune to these kinds of effects--they're just physiologically different in that regard.

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[Returned he/him]

50 minutes ago, StanLemon said:

Here you go. My guess is that metal poisoning is known about, but because Allomancers generally burn off their metals they never experienced it and people just assumed that Allomancers can get metal poisoning too if they didn't burn their metals. Zane slept with metals in his system and never got sick despite his concerns. My guess is they are only immune to metals they can burn

It's as good a guess as any, but honestly I think this is just a retcon (though still official even so).

Edited February 7, 2023 by Returned

[StanLemon]

2 hours ago, Returned said:

It's as good a guess as any, but honestly I think this is just a retcon (though still official even so).

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's just a retcon. I'm just trying to justify it in the context of the story

[JustQuestin2004 he/him]

If we're talking about stupid amounts of speed then imagine a Slider/Steelrunner Twinborn. Sure it'd be expensive for the Bendalloy and difficult to store up a lot of speed. But with a Speed Bubble they could be more conservative with their Speed Stores. If the bubble was dilating time by a factor of 8 and they tapped 4x Speed then technically they would be moving 24 times faster from everyone else's perspective.

[TheBreadRuler]

3 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

If we're talking about stupid amounts of speed then imagine a Slider/Steelrunner Twinborn. Sure it'd be expensive for the Bendalloy and difficult to store up a lot of speed. But with a Speed Bubble they could be more conservative with their Speed Stores. If the bubble was dilating time by a factor of 8 and they tapped 4x Speed then technically they would be moving 24 times faster from everyone else's perspective.

Stacking multiplying effects is always better than just additive.

Also Feruchemical power is not linearly tapped so tapping insane amounts is very inefficient, this is indeed a very powerful combo.

Would the 1 second cooldown also be diminished if you are tapping steel? That would truly make this Twinborn a force to be reckoned with.

[TheBreadRuler]

On 2/6/2023 at 4:46 PM, alder24 said:

I agree with @Trusk'our. To add more, when part of your enemy's body touches the bubble, he fully enters the bubble, so you wouldn't be able to use speed for powerful strikes like with F-steel (kinetic energy goes crazy with steel) .

What if the bubble was insanely small? and since it originates with you and moves with you, only you would be included in the bubble.

[Trusk'our he/him]

3 hours ago, JustQuestin2004 said:

If we're talking about stupid amounts of speed then imagine a Slider/Steelrunner Twinborn. Sure it'd be expensive for the Bendalloy and difficult to store up a lot of speed. But with a Speed Bubble they could be more conservative with their Speed Stores. If the bubble was dilating time by a factor of 8 and they tapped 4x Speed then technically they would be moving 24 times faster from everyone else's perspective.

Whooo! That would be pretty dangerous. Plus, they wouldn't have to tap as much speed as a normal Steelrunner in a fight, since the bubble of sped up time would allow them to focus on one or a few enemies at once.

Although, you might also increase the speed at which you Bendalloy burns as well. Perhaps this would increase how much you can compress time via Allomancy, since a quicker burning of metal equals a larger amount of Investiture (as we see with flairing metals), which mean more time compression.

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Would tapping Feruchemical speed cause you to burn metals faster as your whole body speeds up?

Brandon Sanderson

Yeah. I think it probably would. I don't know if we've gotten to that interaction yet, but it probably would. Good question. If it's speeding up... Yeah, I think it would. Good question. If you're in a speed bubble and doing it, it's totally going to do it, and there's some analogies there.

 

[Trusk'our he/him]

2 minutes ago, TheBreadRuler said:

What if the bubble was insanely small? and since it originates with you and moves with you, only you would be included in the bubble.

I mean, maybe if you could if you were a skilled enough Savant?

It seems like it would be really powerful potentially.

[TheBreadRuler]

Just now, Trusk'our said:

I mean, maybe if you could if you were a skilled enough Savant?

It seems like it would be really powerful potentially.

Exactly, this is the mechanic that would put a Misting at the same level of combat power as Surgebinders IMO

Also the possible interactions between Allomancy and Hemalurgy could be what will elevate a Mistborn to the same level as Elantrians or The God King, for example.

[alder24]

11 minutes ago, TheBreadRuler said:

What if the bubble was insanely small? and since it originates with you and moves with you, only you would be included in the bubble.

I doubt it. First you would need a bubble smaller than your body. But still I think if you touch somebody, then he would be considered as a "part of you" and be in the bubble as long as you touch him. This is because you're messing with time here, not speed. So you would still be hitting somebody with a normal power. At least that's what I think.

[TheBreadRuler]

Just now, alder24 said:

I doubt it. First you would need a bubble smaller than your body. But still I think if you touch somebody, then he would be considered as a "part of you" and be in the bubble as long as you touch him. This is because you're messing with time here, not speed. So you would still be hitting somebody with a normal power. At least that's what I think.

yeah, it would also seem very random to get a power boost since you aren't actually moving faster, it's just time dilation and different perspectives.

Why would objects you touch be considered a part of you? It's true there's a Connection established by physical touch but there's no proof this is the case.

Of course, there is really almost no proof for any of this and this is all speculation.

An important question is if guns would be affected by the time bubble that would usually only affect yourself, since bypassing the bullet redirection is huge.