There's no way this is a coincidence

[Letryx13]

8 hours ago, Frustration said:

I actually made a theory about that

https://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/117279-what-does-the-valley-do-sa-5/

To paraphrase a favorite character of mine, I knew I couldn't have been the first to think of this.

2 hours ago, alder24 said:

Is it weak? She is able to manipulate identity and connections of people, and with bond this can be even bigger. Stormfater with a bond can do more than alone, and the same would be true for Nightwatcher. It might not seem that powerful at first, but I bet with a Bondsmith she would be able to do very impressive things. 

But Stormfather is the strongest entity on Roshar except shards, he holds the biggest shattered piece of Honor.

Oh, she's definitely worthy of being a BondSmith level spren, I'm not denying that.  The fact that she can grant such powers and curses to people proves she's significantly more powerful than almost all other radiant spren. And since BondSmith powers tend to differ greatly between the three, I'm sure anyone who bonds her can do some impressive and unusual stuff. I just think she's a little lacking compared to the Sibling and StormFather, that's all.

[SingleSoul he/him]

On 2/3/2023 at 2:25 PM, lacrossedeamon said:

They also talk about building Urithiru “the place closest to Honor” and we still don’t know the exact meaning of that (at least I don’t). Could it be elevation related? Near where Cultivation hangs out? Does Honor have a secret shardpool?

Also is it weird that Nightwatcher’s Valley and Cultivation’s Shardpool aren’t collocated?

I always imagined this meant that Honor's perpendicularity was close to Urithiru - before it went haywire and started moving about.

It is strange not only that the Valley seem to be at the same longitude, but also that they are so close. I just started wondering if the Nightwatcher set up shop where Honor's perpendicularity used to be? 

[cometaryorbit]

I think the Nightwatcher, Sibling, and Stormfather were all equal or near-equal in Investiture before Honor's death, but absorbing Honor's Cognitive Shadow and likely more of his Investiture boosted him.

The Sibling might be more powerful in practice even if equally Invested, though, because of all the fabrial components they've been able to turn themselves into - basically a technological boost.

On the other hand, we've never really seen the Nightwatcher do anything! All the major boons (Dalinar's, Lift's, and Taravangian's) were actually Cultivation. So judging the Nightwatcher's actual capabilities is probably not really possible at this point. Some of the things she offered Dalinar might suggest that she's genuinely super powerful (could she really have given him Nightblood? If so, was it in Nale's hands then? Ability to take it from a 5th ideal Radiant/Herald is fairly impressive.)

EDIT: the Sibling was apparently created intentionally by Honor and Cultivation after humans arrived, so likely isn't the spren of a natural feature (only of the Tower of Urithiru).

The Stormfather in some form (Rider of Storms) existed pre-Shattering, but there were no sapient spren then, so probably the Rider of Storms was granted sapience by Honor after he arrived (either intentionally or just as a side effect of Investing the planet). I'd imagine the Nightwatcher was similar.

I tend to think the proto-Nightwatcher originally was the spren of the supercontinent of Roshar, just as the Rider of Storms was the spren of the highstorm.

...which leaves the possibility that Cusicesh is the spren of the third major natural feature of Roshar, its planetary ocean, just never granted full sapience like the SF and NW were.

Edited February 9, 2023 by cometaryorbit

[lacrossedeamon]

On 2/9/2023 at 2:05 PM, cometaryorbit said:

On the other hand, we've never really seen the Nightwatcher do anything! All the major boons (Dalinar's, Lift's, and Taravangian's) were actually Cultivation. So judging the Nightwatcher's actual capabilities is probably not really possible at this point. Some of the things she offered Dalinar might suggest that she's genuinely super powerful (could she really have given him Nightblood? If so, was it in Nale's hands then? Ability to take it from a 5th ideal Radiant/Herald is fairly impressive.)

I think Nightblood was in the possession of Cultivation at that time and she later gave it to Nale (after Dalinar's visit) in order to facilitate her long con of killing Rayse.

[Frustration]

On 2/2/2023 at 11:55 AM, Quantus said:

If that's 1/4 planet circumference from the Origin, that line might also be the point where the Highstorm is at it's largest, in terms of being right there when the Storm pulse reaches both poles and rings the planet at it's largest.  

On 2/2/2023 at 3:33 PM, AquaRegia said:

Just WILD.  That is such a completely different way of envisioning the travel of the Highstorm than I had!  I'd always been in the camp of the "modern" Alethi Stromwardens in imagining it as a constant pole-to-pole ring, rotating over the surface from east to west.  Admittedly (now that I think on it), that image has the disadvantage of requiring the poles (or, at least, two antipodal points) to be "constant Highstorm" areas.

On 2/3/2023 at 6:52 AM, ScavellTane said:

so the Highstorm expands as a ring from the Origin and then essentially recedes once it passes Urithiru?

Bringing all these together, it seems like the Single Highstorm model is correct

Spoiler

Higgy Baby

Do the highstorms and Everstorm orbit Roshar like rings?

Brandon Sanderson

Rings is the wrong term. There's not another highstorm on the other side of the world. There is one highstorm blowing around. They were sort of mini-based on the Spot of Jupiter. But they move around; it's a massive hurricane that moves around the planet.

It goes around the planet, but if what you're asking is: "Is there a ring of highstorm? And so when it's on one side, it's on the other side?" That is not the case. There is a highstorm that's going around, an Everstorm that's going the other direction around the planet; and they are very wide, enormous storms. But imagine a storm of Jupiter moving around the planet, rather than staying where it is.

Forbidden Planet Interview (Nov. 18, 2020)

 

 

[cometaryorbit]

That WoB might suggest it's not fully pole to pole. It's "very wide, enormous" and certainly at least covers the latitude range of the Roshar (super)continent, but might not be at the poles themselves - or even most of the Northern Hemisphere.

[AquaRegia he/him]

Shucks, it looks like neither of our ideas matches Brandon's.  Seems that "The Origin" isn't really the origin of the Highstorm, just "East" for Roshar.