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Posted (edited)
7 minutes ago, Magi said:

Wellll I disagree

because a lot A LOT of the characters that appear in other books and works where they are fully fleshed out.

Turin has his own book, Beren and luthien have their own book, Numenor and it's characters has it's own book, Gondolin and it's characters has it's own book, etc.

So yes, some of the characters in the Silmarillion end up being more like historical figures then characters but a good deal of the important people have their own story because Tolkien wrote more stuff about them. 

And I would argue that even the small characters in the Silmarillion that don't do much and don't appear anywhere else are still really good on most occasions.

My favorite Tolkien character is Maglor, and he really only appears in the Silmarillion, and has a small role there too. But Tolkien is still able to make him interesting and engaging, giving hints to his personality and ideologies without actually sitting down and telling his story.

Or Nerdanel, who is another very interesting character who plays a very small role.

That's fair

like Thingol especially gets a personality, and so does Finarfin and Finwe

but a lot of characters also don't

take Fingon for example

now its been a minute, but all he really does is take up the role of Fingolfin, ensuring that Fingolfin can have an epic death but the elves don't lose him

same with Tuor

yes, we have an entire book about him, but it didn't say much about him

consequentially, we got more about Turgon and Maeglin than Thor himself

and yes, I have read the expanded books 

randomly have you heard of Dagor Dagorath?

its important

cuz it finishes Feanor's arc

Edited by Ookla the Irreplaceable
Posted (edited)
29 minutes ago, Ookla the Irreplaceable said:

That's fair

like Thingol especially gets a personality, and so does Finarfin and Finwe

but a lot of characters also don't

take Fingon for example

now its been a minute, but all he really does is take up the role of Fingolfin, ensuring that Fingolfin can have an epic death but the elves don't lose him

I'm sorry

I'm so sorry

BUT FINGON DOESN'T HAVE A PERSONALITY??

Fingon who wore ribbons in his hair to war? Who gave up everything for his family? Who could not forsake his cousins even if they'd done evil because he still loved them? Who's song was so heartbreaking the eagles came to his aid? Who was so deeply loyal that he got himself killed?

"His valour was as a fire yet steadfast as the hills of stone; wise he was and skilled in voice and hand; troth and justice he loved and bore goodwill to all, both Elves and Men, hating Morgoth only; he sought not his own, neither power nor glory, and death was his reward."

That Fingon? 🙁

He is such a different character from his father?????

Spoiler

sorry I don't mean to seem rude but that take genuinely shocked me so much . . . I also love fingon to death, so . . .

29 minutes ago, Ookla the Irreplaceable said:

randomly have you heard of Dagor Dagorath?

its important

cuz it finishes Feanor's arc

That's the 'Morgoth might come back at the end' battle right? What does that have to do with Feanor directly? I'll admit, I don't know much about it 😅

Edited by Magi
Posted
10 minutes ago, Magi said:

I'm sorry

I'm so sorry

BUT FINGON DOESN'T HAVE A PERSONALITY??

Fingon who wore ribbons in his hair to war? Who gave up everything for his family? Who could not forsake his cousins even if they'd done evil because he still loved them? Who's song was so heartbreaking the eagles came to his aid? Who was so deeply loyal that he got himself killed?

"His valour was as a fire yet steadfast as the hills of stone; wise he was and skilled in voice and hand; troth and justice he loved and bore goodwill to all, both Elves and Men, hating Morgoth only; he sought not his own, neither power nor glory, and death was his reward."

That Fingon? 🙁

He is such a different character from his father?????

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sorry I don't mean to seem rude but that take genuinely shocked me so much . . . I also love fingon to death, so . . .

That's the 'Morgoth might come back at the end' battle right? What does that have to do with Feanor directly? I'll admit, I don't know much about it 😅

oh shoot

I'm sorry

I forgot about the scene between him and Maehdros

yeah, bad example

its been a while since I've read it 😅

okay, to spare you the search of looking it up, Morgoth comes back and is defeated by Tulkas, Earendil, and Turin, who avenges his family

the more important part is that Yavanna remakes the trees and Feanor surrenders the Silmarils willingly to do so

so yeah, he does get a positive ending to his arc

Posted
1 minute ago, Ookla the Irreplaceable said:

oh shoot

I'm sorry

I forgot about the scene between him and Maehdros

yeah, bad example

its been a while since I've read it 😅

it's okay lol, I just have to defend my boy, y'know???

1 minute ago, Ookla the Irreplaceable said:

okay, to spare you the search of looking it up, Morgoth comes back and is defeated by Tulkas, Earendil, and Turin, who avenges his family

the more important part is that Yavanna remakes the trees and Feanor surrenders the Silmarils willingly to do so

so yeah, he does get a positive ending to his arc

Aren't half of those characters dead by that time? Or are you talking about the War of Wrath?

Posted
Just now, Magi said:

it's okay lol, I just have to defend my boy, y'know???

Aren't half of those characters dead by that time? Or are you talking about the War of Wrath?

yah I get it

if somebody came at Finrod....

nah

they come back from Halls of Mandos, I guess

Posted
1 minute ago, Ookla the Irreplaceable said:

yah I get it

if somebody came at Finrod....

Aaaah yes Finrod my (also) beloved

2 minutes ago, Ookla the Irreplaceable said:

nah

they come back from Halls of Mandos, I guess

But Turin is a man and men don't go to the Halls of Mandos?

And Feanor doesn't have the silmarils?

Posted (edited)
1 minute ago, Magi said:

Aaaah yes Finrod my (also) beloved

But Turin is a man and men don't go to the Halls of Mandos?

And Feanor doesn't have the silmarils?

uh idk

*googles again*

uh its say he was reincarnated

but I don't trust the wiki

idk

gosh, I need to read those books again

Edited by Ookla the Irreplaceable
Posted (edited)
2 minutes ago, Ookla the Irreplaceable said:

uh idk

*googles again*

uh its say he was reincarnated

but I don't trust the wiki

idk

gosh, I need to read those books again

men also don't re-incarnate . . .

let me look stuff up . . .

Edit: Looked it up and I guess he just does anyway? That's kind of weird, but I don't believe that that part of the story is very solid or hammered out by Tolkien, just an outline.

Edited by Magi
Posted
Just now, Magi said:

men also don't re-incarnate . . .

let me look stuff up . . .

look up dagor dagorath

also I'm pretty sure some mortal souls can go to Mandos

Posted
Just now, Ookla the Irreplaceable said:

look up dagor dagorath

also I'm pretty sure some mortal souls can go to Mandos

Huh, that's really weird

(like I said in my edit, looks like he's an exception)

It is what it is I guess!

Posted
Just now, Magi said:

Huh, that's really weird

(like I said in my edit, looks like he's an exception)

It is what it is I guess!

yeah

Christopher didn't include in the Silmarillion so idk

but I like to believe that Feanor got redemption :P

Posted
1 minute ago, Ookla the Irreplaceable said:

yeah

Christopher didn't include in the Silmarillion so idk

but I like to believe that Feanor got redemption :P

Huh, yeah I didn't know about that

Posted
Just now, Magi said:

Huh, yeah I didn't know about that

it kinda interesting

since we was on the subject of Feanor

well, you've convinced me

I need to reread the Silmarillion :P

Posted
Just now, Ookla the Irreplaceable said:

it kinda interesting

since we was on the subject of Feanor

well, you've convinced me

I need to reread the Silmarillion :P

hehehehehhehehehehehehehe 😈

I need to start reading the other books, but I haven't finished WaT yet lol

Posted
3 hours ago, Magi said:

HELLO THERE

THIS IS MY SIX THOUSANDATH POST THAT'S KIND WILD

@Through The Living Glass @Kajsa @Spark of Hope @Halcyon The Only @The Bookwyrm (tagging wyrmie cause a while back he told me he looked at my gallery images but those are all over a year old and I need to prove my stuff is marginally better now'a'days, I have honor to defend) 😔✊

+other people who didn't vote, but I don't want to randomly mass tag . . . love ya'll 😜

We'll start off the AP pieces I haven't shared yet (I have shared some wip's of these ones in the last few pages)

  Hide contents

One I just finished:

IMG_1495.thumb.jpg.a3d79b6b81033e45e741b71c78308683.jpg

hear me out, it looks better IRL . . . when we were looking at the photographs of it to chose the best photo I didn't pick the best one and that's on me.

It is pretty desaturated on purpose though, all of my other pieces have been super over-saturated, so I was trying to take it in the exact opposite direction with this one.

Ref:

IMG_4979a.webp.e8edd3ec40c1d779315729b9a826e986.webp

Also, if you happen to recognize the location don't worry about it I don't live there, I was there on a trip so

Big boy painting I made for an art show that's happening rn (I get to hear the winners Friday, wish me luck)

IMG_2656a.thumb.jpg.08321cb247f721972b381220bf7eaf76.jpg

Also those are my initials in the signature but I don't care you won't figure it out.

I already posted the ref and some wip pictures of this on the previous page, and I'm too lazy to go get them again so just click over.

This one is favorite, I don't remember if I posted the wip (I think I did . . .) but once again I'm too lazy to get the ref and it looks better without direct comparison so just look at it:

IMG_2659(1).thumb.jpg.032e586bf9ad20739ee19087c54afbc4.jpg

Isn't that nice.

(this one is also being sent down to competition and museum in the spring, along with the first one!)

Okay . . . other stuff

Guys I mostly draw Tolkien fanart so brace yourselves.

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Colored pencil Maedhros, also known as THE HOT GINGER, from the Silmarillion:

Mae.jpg.897c19dcbf5af052e738e8d9dc2c9757.jpg

Maedy.thumb.jpg.2adb6c9f9e219e2bd5d0dd7434fd4a58.jpg

Colored Pencil Makalaurë (AKA my beloved), also a little guy from the Silmarillion

Screenshot2025-01-04134313.jpg.bc9e77eb5132d1abd35255c62b654150.jpg

Screenshot2025-01-04134249.jpg.fd98e68dace33d02d1370673bd8905f8.jpg

Little Frodo doodles because we did a marathon of the trilogy and he's so me:

Screenshot2025-01-04133928.jpg.131e4c21772cac762a66f4b834bdabc0.jpg

Screenshot2025-01-04133414.jpg.8b6f3d589e58b79e234768ab7cbb5780.jpg

He's just a little guy

Young Celeborn and Galadriel dancing because they are becoming one of my favorite ships out of spite:

Screenshot2025-01-04134215.jpg.c19d42252be88827e83533a1b0abbbff.jpg

OC drawing that I like:

Screenshot2025-01-07175935.thumb.jpg.2a79af73fed7442a882efa311a025139.jpg

Oh, there's this study I did that looks pretty cool I guess, my realistic faces suck so I was doing skull stuff:

Screenshot2024-11-22205622.jpg.16eb0011a7c9a5930ac5b5ef58b82e76.jpg

I don't actually have as much stuff as I thought I would, sorry about that guys 😭 I have like 15 hobbies

- - -

why not include something extra and fun because of the special occasion 😈

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This is a really old sketch/ fanart that I did YEARS ago in my math notebook . . . so it's not very technically good but

The idea was to do the pose from the framed picture in Botw (back when botw felt relevant)

This one:

BoTW] A warming photo included with the DLC! : r/zelda

But with some of the main Stormlight Archive characters because Sophmore me thought it'd be cute, (and I still think it's cute, even if it's very nerdy)

There they are:IMG_2661.webp.5cb2c2a2dce6298c60689a695eccb330.webp

Notice my notes on the side because I was planning on re-doing it as a colored illustration and I wanted to fix some things, but never got to it 😅

So we have:

Dalinor in the place of Daruk (Top right)

Jasnah in the place of Urbosa (Top left)

Kaladin in the place of Revali (Far left)

Shallan in the place of Zelda (Bottom middle)

Adolin in the place of Link (Middle right)

Renarin in the place of Mipha (Bottom right corner)

Maybe it's a little cringy, but I was so happy to find it again recently because it's so silly! 😆

As always thinks for reading guys!!!

Though at this rate I won't return to the thread before 7000 posts . . . maybe I should try a little harder to be consistent.

AWESOME, I love the botw stormlight drawing and Maedhros is gorgeous 

(also we have the same initials lol)

Posted
6 hours ago, Magi said:

HELLO THERE

THIS IS MY SIX THOUSANDATH POST THAT'S KIND WILD

@Through The Living Glass @Kajsa @Spark of Hope @Halcyon The Only @The Bookwyrm (tagging wyrmie cause a while back he told me he looked at my gallery images but those are all over a year old and I need to prove my stuff is marginally better now'a'days, I have honor to defend) 😔✊

+other people who didn't vote, but I don't want to randomly mass tag . . . love ya'll 😜

We'll start off the AP pieces I haven't shared yet (I have shared some wip's of these ones in the last few pages)

  Reveal hidden contents

One I just finished:

IMG_1495.thumb.jpg.a3d79b6b81033e45e741b71c78308683.jpg

hear me out, it looks better IRL . . . when we were looking at the photographs of it to chose the best photo I didn't pick the best one and that's on me.

It is pretty desaturated on purpose though, all of my other pieces have been super over-saturated, so I was trying to take it in the exact opposite direction with this one.

Ref:

IMG_4979a.webp.e8edd3ec40c1d779315729b9a826e986.webp

Also, if you happen to recognize the location don't worry about it I don't live there, I was there on a trip so

Big boy painting I made for an art show that's happening rn (I get to hear the winners Friday, wish me luck)

IMG_2656a.thumb.jpg.08321cb247f721972b381220bf7eaf76.jpg

Also those are my initials in the signature but I don't care you won't figure it out.

I already posted the ref and some wip pictures of this on the previous page, and I'm too lazy to go get them again so just click over.

This one is favorite, I don't remember if I posted the wip (I think I did . . .) but once again I'm too lazy to get the ref and it looks better without direct comparison so just look at it:

IMG_2659(1).thumb.jpg.032e586bf9ad20739ee19087c54afbc4.jpg

Isn't that nice.

(this one is also being sent down to competition and museum in the spring, along with the first one!)

Okay . . . other stuff

Guys I mostly draw Tolkien fanart so brace yourselves.

  Reveal hidden contents

Colored pencil Maedhros, also known as THE HOT GINGER, from the Silmarillion:

Mae.jpg.897c19dcbf5af052e738e8d9dc2c9757.jpg

Maedy.thumb.jpg.2adb6c9f9e219e2bd5d0dd7434fd4a58.jpg

Colored Pencil Makalaurë (AKA my beloved), also a little guy from the Silmarillion

Screenshot2025-01-04134313.jpg.bc9e77eb5132d1abd35255c62b654150.jpg

Screenshot2025-01-04134249.jpg.fd98e68dace33d02d1370673bd8905f8.jpg

Little Frodo doodles because we did a marathon of the trilogy and he's so me:

Screenshot2025-01-04133928.jpg.131e4c21772cac762a66f4b834bdabc0.jpg

Screenshot2025-01-04133414.jpg.8b6f3d589e58b79e234768ab7cbb5780.jpg

He's just a little guy

Young Celeborn and Galadriel dancing because they are becoming one of my favorite ships out of spite:

Screenshot2025-01-04134215.jpg.c19d42252be88827e83533a1b0abbbff.jpg

OC drawing that I like:

Screenshot2025-01-07175935.thumb.jpg.2a79af73fed7442a882efa311a025139.jpg

Oh, there's this study I did that looks pretty cool I guess, my realistic faces suck so I was doing skull stuff:

Screenshot2024-11-22205622.jpg.16eb0011a7c9a5930ac5b5ef58b82e76.jpg

I don't actually have as much stuff as I thought I would, sorry about that guys 😭 I have like 15 hobbies

- - -

why not include something extra and fun because of the special occasion 😈

  Reveal hidden contents

This is a really old sketch/ fanart that I did YEARS ago in my math notebook . . . so it's not very technically good but

The idea was to do the pose from the framed picture in Botw (back when botw felt relevant)

This one:

BoTW] A warming photo included with the DLC! : r/zelda

But with some of the main Stormlight Archive characters because Sophmore me thought it'd be cute, (and I still think it's cute, even if it's very nerdy)

There they are:IMG_2661.webp.5cb2c2a2dce6298c60689a695eccb330.webp

Notice my notes on the side because I was planning on re-doing it as a colored illustration and I wanted to fix some things, but never got to it 😅

So we have:

Dalinor in the place of Daruk (Top right)

Jasnah in the place of Urbosa (Top left)

Kaladin in the place of Revali (Far left)

Shallan in the place of Zelda (Bottom middle)

Adolin in the place of Link (Middle right)

Renarin in the place of Mipha (Bottom right corner)

Maybe it's a little cringy, but I was so happy to find it again recently because it's so silly! 😆

As always thinks for reading guys!!!

Though at this rate I won't return to the thread before 7000 posts . . . maybe I should try a little harder to be consistent.

Aaaaaaaah these are all so awesome

Btw I genuinely laughed at the last one

Posted
12 hours ago, Cinnamon said:

AWESOME, I love the botw stormlight drawing and Maedhros is gorgeous 

(also we have the same initials lol)

TYYY 💖

(heheehe initial buddies)

9 hours ago, Just A Silvereye said:

Aaaaaaaah these are all so awesome

Btw I genuinely laughed at the last one

Thanks 😄

Posted
11 minutes ago, Kajsa said:

imagine cinnamon’s name is legitimately Cinnamon

Lolll

Posted
On 1/8/2025 at 9:16 AM, Magi said:

OC drawing that I like:

Screenshot2025-01-07175935.thumb.jpg.2a79af73fed7442a882efa311a025139.jpg

love this oc! please tell me more! what's up with his face? is it fungus? 


also i love your art! it looks so good!

Posted
5 hours ago, RoyalBeeMage said:

love this oc! please tell me more! what's up with his face? is it fungus? 


also i love your art! it looks so good!

Thanks!

It's not fungus, unfortunately, though that would be really cool.

It's a tattoo that uses the rune-based magic system in my world that gives him powers (I'm currently rehauling the magic system, so I have to keep it vague). The powers are mostly anit-gravity to on a very small scale (He makes himself lighter to run faster and jump higher, etc). He can't change directions with it like Surges, though.

Posted
On 1/8/2025 at 12:16 PM, Magi said:

HELLO THERE

THIS IS MY SIX THOUSANDATH POST THAT'S KIND WILD

@Through The Living Glass @Kajsa @Spark of Hope @Halcyon The Only @The Bookwyrm (tagging wyrmie cause a while back he told me he looked at my gallery images but those are all over a year old and I need to prove my stuff is marginally better now'a'days, I have honor to defend) 😔✊

+other people who didn't vote, but I don't want to randomly mass tag . . . love ya'll 😜

We'll start off the AP pieces I haven't shared yet (I have shared some wip's of these ones in the last few pages)

  Reveal hidden contents

One I just finished:

IMG_1495.thumb.jpg.a3d79b6b81033e45e741b71c78308683.jpg

hear me out, it looks better IRL . . . when we were looking at the photographs of it to chose the best photo I didn't pick the best one and that's on me.

It is pretty desaturated on purpose though, all of my other pieces have been super over-saturated, so I was trying to take it in the exact opposite direction with this one.

Ref:

IMG_4979a.webp.e8edd3ec40c1d779315729b9a826e986.webp

Also, if you happen to recognize the location don't worry about it I don't live there, I was there on a trip so

Big boy painting I made for an art show that's happening rn (I get to hear the winners Friday, wish me luck)

IMG_2656a.thumb.jpg.08321cb247f721972b381220bf7eaf76.jpg

Also those are my initials in the signature but I don't care you won't figure it out.

I already posted the ref and some wip pictures of this on the previous page, and I'm too lazy to go get them again so just click over.

This one is favorite, I don't remember if I posted the wip (I think I did . . .) but once again I'm too lazy to get the ref and it looks better without direct comparison so just look at it:

IMG_2659(1).thumb.jpg.032e586bf9ad20739ee19087c54afbc4.jpg

Isn't that nice.

(this one is also being sent down to competition and museum in the spring, along with the first one!)

Okay . . . other stuff

Guys I mostly draw Tolkien fanart so brace yourselves.

  Hide contents

Colored pencil Maedhros, also known as THE HOT GINGER, from the Silmarillion:

Mae.jpg.897c19dcbf5af052e738e8d9dc2c9757.jpg

Maedy.thumb.jpg.2adb6c9f9e219e2bd5d0dd7434fd4a58.jpg

Colored Pencil Makalaurë (AKA my beloved), also a little guy from the Silmarillion

Screenshot2025-01-04134313.jpg.bc9e77eb5132d1abd35255c62b654150.jpg

Screenshot2025-01-04134249.jpg.fd98e68dace33d02d1370673bd8905f8.jpg

Little Frodo doodles because we did a marathon of the trilogy and he's so me:

Screenshot2025-01-04133928.jpg.131e4c21772cac762a66f4b834bdabc0.jpg

Screenshot2025-01-04133414.jpg.8b6f3d589e58b79e234768ab7cbb5780.jpg

He's just a little guy

Young Celeborn and Galadriel dancing because they are becoming one of my favorite ships out of spite:

Screenshot2025-01-04134215.jpg.c19d42252be88827e83533a1b0abbbff.jpg

OC drawing that I like:

Screenshot2025-01-07175935.thumb.jpg.2a79af73fed7442a882efa311a025139.jpg

Oh, there's this study I did that looks pretty cool I guess, my realistic faces suck so I was doing skull stuff:

Screenshot2024-11-22205622.jpg.16eb0011a7c9a5930ac5b5ef58b82e76.jpg

I don't actually have as much stuff as I thought I would, sorry about that guys 😭 I have like 15 hobbies

- - -

why not include something extra and fun because of the special occasion 😈

  Reveal hidden contents

This is a really old sketch/ fanart that I did YEARS ago in my math notebook . . . so it's not very technically good but

The idea was to do the pose from the framed picture in Botw (back when botw felt relevant)

This one:

BoTW] A warming photo included with the DLC! : r/zelda

But with some of the main Stormlight Archive characters because Sophmore me thought it'd be cute, (and I still think it's cute, even if it's very nerdy)

There they are:IMG_2661.webp.5cb2c2a2dce6298c60689a695eccb330.webp

Notice my notes on the side because I was planning on re-doing it as a colored illustration and I wanted to fix some things, but never got to it 😅

So we have:

Dalinor in the place of Daruk (Top right)

Jasnah in the place of Urbosa (Top left)

Kaladin in the place of Revali (Far left)

Shallan in the place of Zelda (Bottom middle)

Adolin in the place of Link (Middle right)

Renarin in the place of Mipha (Bottom right corner)

Maybe it's a little cringy, but I was so happy to find it again recently because it's so silly! 😆

As always thinks for reading guys!!!

Though at this rate I won't return to the thread before 7000 posts . . . maybe I should try a little harder to be consistent.

O MA GOODNESS I LOVE IT ALL!!!

Another Silmarillion reader *salutes you* yayy! Your coloured pencil skills are SO GOOD I LOVE YOUR STYLE!!! And the sketch of the Stormlight crew it is SO CUTE AAAA!!!! TAKE THE REP!! *throws muffin named 'The Rep'"

Posted
2 minutes ago, Telrao said:

O MA GOODNESS I LOVE IT ALL!!!

Another Silmarillion reader *salutes you* yayy! Your coloured pencil skills are SO GOOD I LOVE YOUR STYLE!!! And the sketch of the Stormlight crew it is SO CUTE AAAA!!!! TAKE THE REP!! *throws muffin named 'The Rep'"

ThANK YOU!!! IN GENERAL AND FOR THE MUFFIN I WILL CHEERISH IT

Yipeeeeeee another silm fan *does a little dance* I love silly little elf men

I actually haven't been using colored pencils that long, I started a few months ago, but it really clicked with me so I've been loving it hehe

Posted
1 minute ago, Magi said:

ThANK YOU!!! IN GENERAL AND FOR THE MUFFIN I WILL CHEERISH IT

Yipeeeeeee another silm fan *does a little dance* I love silly little elf men

I actually haven't been using colored pencils that long, I started a few months ago, but it really clicked with me so I've been loving it hehe

:DDD

The elves are such goobers - my Mom and I are the only members of my family that have read it lol. I just love the idea of the world starting with a song, and the whole thing with Morgoth causing dissonance, it just sang to me! Definitely need to read it again :P 

Nice! It always feels so good when something just clicks :D 

Posted
1 minute ago, Telrao said:

:DDD

The elves are such goobers - my Mom and I are the only members of my family that have read it lol. I just love the idea of the world starting with a song, and the whole thing with Morgoth causing dissonance, it just sang to me! Definitely need to read it again :P 

Nice! It always feels so good when something just clicks :D 

hehe yeah

I have several family members who've read it but they all forgot everything 😭 So I have to find people online to talk to online instead lollll

Honestly, I don't blame them, it's a lot to remember but it's still kinda funny.

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