Quick Fix 64: Spies in Starsight

[The Bookwyrm he/him]

29 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Okay, question for you Bookwyrm: who are these other people you are sifting through to ID the most suspicious?

Primarily those that the others are voting for. Most of you are experienced players, and I'm inclined to trust you; therefore, I'm going to be analyzing Fifth and Aman when I have more time.

31 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Did you see the Xino donut chart of Evil from LG91 that shows based off his playhistory that 80% of the time when Xino is quiet, he is Evil?

3. You are aware E!Xino was very quiet in LG91? Does this influence or change your view in any way? If not, why not? (I'm not saying you should change your view on Xino here, I'm trying to understand where you are coming from.)

Most of my analyses in SE so far are based on actions in the same game, rather than on actions in past games. If Xino's behavior this game really is corresponding closely to his actions in past games where he was Elim, than I would consider voting him. But I'd rather have a little more incriminating evidence in this game alone before I vote for him.

So right now the people that I need to look into are Aman and Fifth.

[Kasimir he/him]

27 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Nerdy has consistently avoided voting on the main trains every cycle 

I don’t think it’s unwarranted paranoia, I’ve been prodding Nerdy for precisely the same reason  

If we are looking at a four member team which seems like a good working heuristic right now, that's Silver/X/Y/Z.

...If X, Y, Z are Fifth, Aman, and Mat I am flipping the fricking table ಠ_ಠ

But honestly, my main problems with an E!Nerdy world:

A. I feel E!Nerdy has little reason to avoid voting for E!Aman this obviously. Tbf a lot of this just doesn't make sense but there you go.

B. Why not bus? You know your own alignment, I certainly V!read you, and I know my own alignment. The fact that I'm committed to the idea no bus happened is weird: you'd expect them to hardcommit to a CW or bus. The problem with that world is that E!Mat becomes really weird to make sense of because going to Aman instead of bussing when it's clear you can't make up the numbers anyway is nonsensical.

C. Still having difficulty reconciling votes and voting actions with Aman's stated decision process and priorities. And I just feel E!Nerdy and E!Aman is...not impossible but a very weird take?

Edited to add:

Well, I guess there's D., which is more a me problem:

I struggle to believe we were so accurate that we tied two Elims in the lead C3 >>

Edited December 20, 2022 by Kasimir

[Stick. she/her]

Oh I should clarify that I don’t think Aman and Nerdy are E/E. IMO one flipping red should mean the other is village.

[Exotic Almond he/him]

2 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

If Aman was not an option for today, who would your second strongest lead be? 
 

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@NerdyAarakocra what makes Xino particularly worrying? 

I have no clue. maybe NerdyAarakocra?

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

E/E Silver and Nerdy doesn't seem like the most reasonable option since there's no reason Xino or Aman doesn't die there unless there was only one elim around for EoD. Neither of them were around so whichever of [Fifth, Aman, Mat] would have to decide to bus their teammate who are both pretty new players without approval. EoD looks more like the elims felt okay with Nerdy dying and were then blindsided by Stick and Kas and maybe even Hael voting for Silver.

 

[Mat he/him]

4 hours ago, Kasimir said:

At either 12:58:13 or 12:58:52, which we don't know about, because Mat did the annoying thing of potentially editing his votes in, he swaps back from Nerdy to Aman. This is just absurdly nonsensical in an E!Mat world, in my view, given the volatility. He is better off staying put and just flipping Nerdy. There's no reason to go for train dilution and is consistent with his persistent suspicion of Aman across the cycle.

C'mon Kas, why would I do that  If I'm editing in content I mark it with an 'Edit'. If it's just edited with no comment it's grammar or a rewording without changing anything else, etc. The Aman vote came at the 12:58:13 one, though idk if that actually changes anything lol

And yeah, I'm okay with v!Nerdy thinking about it more. There's that line of suspicious behavior vs. inexperience that I'm really bad at telling and I think it's conceivable that since this is Nerdy's first real game (with their first being my BT) it's just the inexperience part. And the trains last turn just make way more sense if Nerdy is village.

Also: @_Stick_, you had that point where you said you couldn't see e!Aman posting this-

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To clarify, I strongly feel I'm more responsible for the Silver yeet than most. I deliberately kept it in the lead until the end to bait Silver's teammates.

And I'd counter by saying I can't see v!Aman posting this. I can't fathom how a player as respected and talented as Aman pushes this line of thinking without giving any credit to the people who actually voted Silver, unless he's an elim who got blindsided by you, Kas, and Hael's last second voting. e!him after Silver's flip doesn't really have another option today, think about it. He knows his Nerdy vote looks bad. He knows that he can't just be like, 'yeah, it was bad, I know' because that's a zero resistance train to being exed. The alternative is for him to argue that his vote was actually in the right.

[Kasimir he/him]

2 hours ago, _Stick_ said:

Oh I should clarify that I don’t think Aman and Nerdy are E/E. IMO one flipping red should mean the other is village.

Yeah that's sort of what I'm suggesting.

1 hour ago, Devotary of Spontaneity said:

E/E Silver and Nerdy doesn't seem like the most reasonable option since there's no reason Xino or Aman doesn't die there unless there was only one elim around for EoD. Neither of them were around so whichever of [Fifth, Aman, Mat] would have to decide to bus their teammate who are both pretty new players without approval. EoD looks more like the elims felt okay with Nerdy dying and were then blindsided by Stick and Kas and maybe even Hael voting for Silver.

Fair points. What are your current thoughts?

Are they bussing though, if none of them final-voted Silver? The bussing without permission seems to apply to Aman in an E!Nerdy world.

1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said:

C'mon Kas, why would I do that  If I'm editing in content I mark it with an 'Edit'. If it's just edited with no comment it's grammar or a rewording without changing anything else, etc. The Aman vote came at the 12:58:13 one, though idk if that actually changes anything lol

It doesn't change anything, I'm just annoyed I don't know what changed and saw two timestamps  My script can't actually tell you what was changed lol or it'd be a lot more powerful than it has a right to be - I don't believe the Shard retains this data, at least not from what I can scrape.

Given I'm not actually voting you right now, does it substantively matter to you?

1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said:

And yeah, I'm okay with v!Nerdy thinking about it more. There's that line of suspicious behavior vs. inexperience that I'm really bad at telling and I think it's conceivable that since this is Nerdy's first real game (with their first being my BT) it's just the inexperience part. And the trains last turn just make way more sense if Nerdy is village.

I think I'm just staggered by how what is essentially an argument for putting Xino under pressure is apparently convincing for killing Xino. I know we all have our inner Araris, but...really? >>

So yes I struggle with inexperience v. suspicious behaviour but you know this w.r.t. Xino so /shrug

I will say that if I die this cycle which should be very unlikely as the fact I was willing to die C1 probably encourages certain inferences, that I hope people won't hardclear Bookwyrm just because I think Bookwyrm is Village. It's my current read but y'all please just no >>

1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said:

And I'd counter by saying I can't see v!Aman posting this. I can't fathom how a player as respected and talented as Aman pushes this line of thinking without giving any credit to the people who actually voted Silver, unless he's an elim who got blindsided by you, Kas, and Hael's last second voting. e!him after Silver's flip doesn't really have another option today, think about it. He knows his Nerdy vote looks bad. He knows that he can't just be like, 'yeah, it was bad, I know' because that's a zero resistance train to being exed. The alternative is for him to argue that his vote was actually in the right.

If we vote you here and now, will you feel like TJ did in the MR57 final cycle? :eyes:

But one point in your favour IMO: you had Aman willing to consider E!Wiz. IDK if you NK Wiz in that world.

Sorry guys. Not sure I'm in the full headspace for the game after a lot of dark stuff. Still working on the report. Revising estimate to 60% Kas for the rest of the cycle, whenever I can be on.

@Matrim's Dice / @_Stick_, would normally do this myself, and in the spirit of "if Mat lies I'll probably hopefully figure it out" - if you have a spot of time, mind taking a look at the finale of MR57? Last two cycles. I'm interested in whether you notice any MO similarities or not. I don't want to say more at this point. 

[Stick. she/her]

33 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

@Matrim's Dice / @_Stick_, would normally do this myself, and in the spirit of "if Mat lies I'll probably hopefully figure it out" - if you have a spot of time, mind taking a look at the finale of MR57? Last two cycles. I'm interested in whether you notice any MO similarities or not. I don't want to say more at this point.

First thing I'm noticing is the Mat/Aman conversations from C5 of that game being insanely similar to this cycle's interactions between the two o.O

The part quoted from this post is identical to the self-vote post at the top of page 2 from this cycle:

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Honestly just vote me out, whoever the elim(s) are, GG. I've done everything I possibly could and I wash my hands clean of this game.

And:

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But yes, my voting record wasn't great. I did play a huge role in the C3 vote of Bort however, even if I didn't vote him in the end. 

:thonk:

Deja vu 

Aman

 

Edit:

If Aman flips elim the remaining PoE is probably <xino, insanity, almond, TUN>. Shouldn't be too hard. Will want to look at insanity first, because of that Aman vote that came out of the blue last cycle. It's classic distancing. 

Edited December 20, 2022 by _Stick_

[Mat he/him]

36 minutes ago, Kasimir said:

Given I'm not actually voting you right now, does it substantively matter to you?

I mean, no, it was more about defending my honor  

I'll look at what you asked later, but I dunno if I can find anything better than what Stick did :P.

[Amanuensis he/him]

Rules for Reading this Post:

1. Please do not get offended. I am upset and that is clear. However, I do not harbor any ill will toward anyone in the game. I do not take this personally. I am just frustrated with this constantly repeating scenario and I'm attempting to deal with it in the most healthy way I can.
2. Please do not read this post if you aren't willing to consider v!me. If you do read it, read it again after my flip to refresh your memory. If you don't, definitely read it after my flip.
3. Please do not respond to this post. I'm logging out as soon as I send it and I am not logging back in until I'm dead. Call it a rage quit. Call it a protest. IRDC. Just do not waste any more time on my slot.

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I’m not going to address a single post against me because just like LG84 this is blatant double standard paranoia and it’s a huge waste of my time + a painful distraction for the village. I’m so tired of this every village game I play. Just vote me out today, IDGAF. Consider me as good as flipped red and spend the rest of this cycle figuring out who to go next. Bonus points if you take the time to actually consider a v!Aman world ahead of time.=
 

Silver Voters (Most likely Village, barring inactive teammate bus. GL figuring that one out if true):

• Hael: The least likeliest of bussers.
• Stick: Possible, but only on a team with Kas. (e!Kas works without her)
• Devo: Would require her decision to bus ahead of time. Doesn’t line up with other EoD behavior.
• Kas: Possible busser. They did initially switch to Nerdy when given the opportunity and cemented inactive!Silver when Stick made it a tie. Extremely unlikely, but I’m BigMad at the blatant hypocrisy. Would prefer e!Kas to v!Kas at this point just to excuse this.

My independent village reads that I’m most confident in:

• TUN: Very obviously not teamed with Silver. I had Silver in the lead for hours and constantly prodded others to get involved, among them TUN, who showed zero interest in padding any countertrains.
• Bookwyrm: Extremely pure tone, I’ve been confidently v!reading them as Village since our interactions D2. Yes, I intentionally said I was indecisive see who takes the bait. (But Aman! You keep using this excuse! I don’t buy it!) [Shove off]
• Insanity: I find it very hard to believe she’d be confident enough in her first elim game to attempt leading a train on me unless encouraged by Fifth (impossible due to inactivity).

And as much as I hate this:

• Mat: Your tunnel on me reeks of irrationality. You made your decision and nothing I can say will change it. In truth, every post I make becomes another thing you twist to fit into your stubborn worldview. THAT is why I’m upset. Every one of your posts that involves suspicion of me + every single one of your votes has been anti-village. Voting Nerdy and Me over Silver? Are you seriously surprised that ANYONE could possibly suspect you for voting BOTH counterwagons to the CONFIRMED ELIM SILVER who you spent C2 DEFENDING. The fact that this is your C3 follow-up screams village in it’s insanity. And yes, I currently resent you for it. AND PLEASE. DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS MAT. I DON’T WANT TO HEAR IT. DON’T WASTE YOUR TIME OR ANYONE ELSE’S TIME DISCUSSING ME. JUST GO FIND MY NON-EXISTENT PARTNERS.

And now for the important part, who the actual elims are:

• Fifth: Man I thought I was the open wolf king, but congrats Fifth, you played everyone like a fiddle. I’m not remotely mad at Fifth and haven’t engaged him in the same way as I have Mat and Kas because I have zero doubts about him, and have felt this way prior to EoD C2. He’s not even tunnelling me - how can he when the only reason he’s voted me is gut with zero expressed reasoning? - just voting whatever is most helpful for the elims at the exact moment. ALWAYS KILL after my flip.
• Xino OR Nerdy: One of these is an elim for sure. The fact they cross-voted makes it unlikely they are teamed, and them working on a team with Silver IS THE WHOLE ASH REASON I PUT SILVER IN THE LEAD ALL DAY. Fifth caused me to doubt myself by VOTING EVERYONE BUT NERDY while I’ve been SUSPICIOUS OF HIM ALL C2 and my only goal in voting Nerdy was SEEING WHAT HE WOULD DO. Sorry I didn’t switch my vote to Silver WHO I DID NOT 100% KNOW WAS A GUARANTEED ELIM AFTER FIFTH’S ANTICS. Sounds like the kind of retrospect AN ELIM WOULD HAVE. It’s kinda like E!AMAN LAST MINUTE SAVING AN INACTIVE PARTNER HE HAD HIS VOTE ON FOR MOST OF THE DAY / DISCUSSION is kayana, yeah? WHY THE HELL WOULD I NOT JUST BUS. WHY WOULD I PLAY LAST MINUTE GAMES WITH V!FIFTH WHEN I WOULD KNOW PERFECTLY WELL IT WOULD SCREW ME. (Stunlocked?) [E!AMAN DOESN’T GET STUNLOCKED]
• Exotic: I personally think we’re looking at a 3-elim world that ends at Fifth+Xino or Fifth+Nerdy. Exotic’s point in his favor is voting Xino yesterday then proposing Nerdy vs me today. A less favorable point in his favor is that he’s only ever voted Xino and Me with no explanations. I could maybe see a Fifth+Exotic world but imo e!Fifth doesn’t end C2 like that unless Silver wasn’t the only teammate that could die. It’s obvious he was attempting to distance from Silver, the question is was the Xino vote distancing too or was I also write that he was avoiding Nerdy because they have been more active than Silver.

If C3 was up to me, I would be pushing Xino and Nerdy. Alas, C3 isn’t up to me.

 

Read this next bit post-mortem if you care why I consider myself the most responsible for Silver’s yeet being a success. You'll only be wasting your time if you're 100% convinced of E!Me, so please, just vote me out and move on otherwise.

 

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I was convinced by Kas and Stick’s discussion very early on about Silver. I read Silver’s D1 post and found multiple red flags that bumped my e!Silver credences up to 90%. Around that time, I voted three players at once (Hael, Devo, Fifth) to see if I could find 2 elims in one day by having us discuss outside the low-actives, since I reasoned that Silver did not kill JNV. It’s very clear in my discussions with Kas that I suspected Fifth the most and that I was starting to revise Mat.

Page 4 and on Chain of Events:

1. 21 Hours Ago: Mat unvotes me and votes Nerdy. This is the first Nerdy vote while Silver is in the lead (Kas and Stick).
2. 21 Hours Ago: Xino votes Nerdy with Mat and v!reads Mat. This felt anomalous. Hackles are raised.
3. 20 Hours Ago: Stick asks me about who else I’m keen to vote. I vote Devo knowing she is around and begin to engage her without leading questions to see who she would vote so I can get a proper read off her.
4. 20 Hours Ago: Not long after that, Stick votes for TUN over Silver, effectively killing the wagon.
5. 20 Hours Ago: The Bookwyrm puts the third vote on Nerdy, which rings a big ‘ol bell. I begin to consider the Nerdy votes more.
6. 20 Hours Ago: On the next page, Wizard adds a 2nd vote to Silver and I rejoice! I just had an interaction with Wizard that led us to village leaning each other, and then he went and did the exact thing I was hoping a villager would do, effectively confirming his innocence.
7. 19 Hours Ago: I continue to INTENTIONALLY NOT SHOW MY SILVER SUSPICION by prodding others. I try to get Devo to engage on me with who the active-elim is (to no avail due to miscommunication, probably caused by me intentionally being obtuse). Not long after Nerdy says they’re clueless and I offer to help them “get an idea of what you’re doing.” At this juncture, I believed that Nerdy was the elim!motivated Silver CW between Mat, Xino, and Bookwyrm. I also went on the record C1 saying that I v!leaned Nerdy for their blatant Kas vote.
8. 19 Hours Ago: I post a vote count and EVERYTHING CLICKS. I realize that Nerdy and Xino cross voted while avoiding Silver. I call it an “interesting triad” because I literally felt like I solved the game. At that point, I go manic. I ask TUN where’s his vote in hopes of gathering MORE info.
9. 19 Hours Ago: Hael shows up, I express happiness, and immediately vote Silver to tie them. If there’s 1 more elim who hasn’t vote Nerdy, I expected them to chime in soon. I was looking for it.
10. 16 Hours Ago: Devo puts Silver in the lead over Nerdy and a breathe a huge sigh of relief. Fifth’s just about confirmed elim for me at this point.
11. 15 Hours Ago: I continue to engage with Mat on his Wizard paranoia because I’m super confident in v!Wizard and e!Silver. I want to press him to make e!Mat slip.
12. 15 Hours Ago: Not long after, Fifth returns and immediately votes Silver. He expresses remorse for not being in the game earlier. I imagine because he came in having to vote one of his partners, having been unable to deflect attention until now.
13. 15 Hours Ago: Fifth gets a better feel for the thread. Decides ‘maybe I can get people to swing onto Xino instead’ and uses Kas’ graph to appeal to him specifically. I’m excited by this (see [Insert Now this is Podracing Meme] because I’m thinking to myself: Damn! I just got both Silver and Fifth in one fell swoop! Can’t wait to reveal my gambit!)
14. 15 Hours Ago: Look, I even question Stick on her Fifth question! I very clearly am very suspicious of Fifth despite the fact I’m not outright pushing his death! (Weird how e!Me always make sure to have his reads and votes as clean and trackable as possible but v!Me doesn’t care about proving I’m a villager, just finding elims! But nah, I’m talented or whatever. None of this makes any sense! I’m just an elim lying.
15. 15 Hours Ago: Fifth votes me. Around the same time, I noticed he voted every Wagon except for Nerdy’s. I began to re-evaluate. Mat looks paired with Silver but I see v!Mat more likely than v!Fifth. Fifth is doing the most blatant open wolfing I’ve seen, so I say, “Hey! There’s plenty of time for one more tie to see where everyone’s priorities lay!’ and I finally switch off Silver to force other players to respond.
16. 15 Hours Ago: Oh look! I provide reasons for people to vote Silver and not Nerdy, when I only voted Nerdy specifically to see what Fifth’s next move was! If I was an elim in this scenario, you think I would SECURE THE BUS THAT I WAS SITTING ON ALL DAY TO SIMULTANEOUSLY ENSURE I DON’T GET CW’D BY INSANITY, FIFTH, MAT, AND WHOEVER ELSE THEY TRY TO ROPE INTO IT! BUT NO! I NOT ONLY FAIL TO SAVE SILVER, WHO I OBVIOUSLY WANTED DEAD ALL DAY, BUT I ALSO MAKE MYSELF LOOK HORRIBLE IN THE PROCESS! OH MAN WHAT AN E!AMAN MISPLAY! LET’S ALL PAT OURSELVES ON THE BACKS FOR DISCOVERING E!AMAN BECAUSE HE WAS THE LAST VOTE TO TIE A KNOWN ELIM WITH A STILL-POTENTIAL-ELIM WE HAVEN’T EVEN FLIPPED!
17. 15 Hours Ago: I keeping track of the VC until my very last post. I have my Silver vote already pre-typed. I’m refreshing like a mad man. I’m prepared to switch at the very last minute and be the hero if necessary, because I’ve been setting up this ALL DAY. I WAS SO HECKIN PROUD. I LOVE BEING VILLAGE. IT’S SO FUN. Except when Kas went and unvoted Silver over Nerdy and I get slightly confused. Does this mean Kas believes Nerdy is more likely elim than Silver? I trust Kas, often more than myself, so I’ll let this play out briefly. He’s obviously not partnered with Silver, right? 
18. 15 Hours Ago: Hael makes Silver viable again. The biggest hero tbh. There’s a reason he’s my top village read of the Silver voters, other than myself, who YES I BELIEVE I DO DESERVE MORE CREDIT FOR THIS. SILVER WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN VIABLE IF I HAD NOT THIRD VOTED THEM UNTIL EOD IN THE FIRST PLACE. SORRY IF THAT DOESN’T FIT WITH YOUR “FINAL VOTE IS THE ONLY ONE THAT MATTERS” WORLDVIEW. IT CLEARLY DOESN’T WORK INVOLVING V!ME.
19. 15 Hours Ago: I’m about to hit submit vote when I see both Stick and Kas have already put Silver back in the lead. Turn ends. I’m satisfied. I start re-reading EoD in anticipation of the flip. Of the dopamine I’m confident I’ll receive from the red flip that I believe I made happened. That I earned. I notice that in my last post, there was an error in my vote count. I quickly edit it to make sure it’s accurate in case Szeth uses it as a reference.

And then, the flip. “I’m astonished.” AKA me trolling Mat because I was celebrating not just catching one elim, but several. Then people start posting. Suddenly lumping me in on a team with Silver and I very quickly begin to lose my patience. People embracing Aman paranoia because they’d rather believe e!Me monumentally screwed up C2 EoD then v!Me suspecting e!Fifth and reaction testing / trying to make sense of his extremely volatile EoD? I refuse to tolerate this BS anymore.

I now understand how Araris felt when I 180’d suspicion back to him after he started to accuse me. I am incredibly baffled at how anyone can perceive me as an elim from my C2 play alone. I don’t give a rustin’ truck about where my vote ended. E!me would give a rustin truck about where my vote ended and would always make the play that makes me look most innocent due to all of the TMI.

The reality is, in most scenarios you believe you caught e!Aman in the early game, you're almost definitely wrong. There's a greater likelihood of you making it impossible for v!Aman to want to put in any effort in whatever game you're stubbornly-sussing, let alone come back to play any games in the future. 

 

Aman.

Good luck Village o7 I'll be rooting for you.

[Devotary of Spontaneity]

It is true that I probably would not have voted for Silver had Aman's vote not been on him at the time making Silver a viable exe.

[Stick. she/her]

Okay. Okay

Vote Count:
Aman(5): Mat, Fifth, Aman, Kas, Almond
Fifth(2): TUN, Stick
Xino(1): Nerdy

We can attempt to tie the votes if people want, and Winzik can deal with it if they wish to.

Will note that the first thing Fifth said today was:

15 hours ago, Fifth Scholar said:

I do think Hael is clear now.

He was paranoiding Kas for the past two cycles and the Kas vote was the tie-breaker but Fifth's first post only notes Hael as being cleared off that exe - not wrong that Hael is all but cleared, but I can see the comment reflecting elim state of mind because from E!Fifth's PoE I think Hael's vote was when E!Fifth would have accepted Silvereye's fate. There was no attempt from Fifth to move votes after Hael's vote, and before Hael's vote Silver was not in the lead, so Fifth's vote jumps being inconsequential maybe doesn't matter.

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

13 hours ago, Kasimir said:

Mm. I note that this is possible for Mat too, with regard to the "isn't this too inactive." But I doubt as well. Customarily as an Elim you don't want your direct thumbprints on this, at least I don't recall that being in Mat's MO.

Edited to add: I guess what I would say is that it is simultaneously too direct/assertive for E!Mat's typical MO (cf. his thread control in LG90) and also too ineffective, IMO.

I try to play more aggressively in QFs tbf, and have a bad case of overcompensation for Mat FUDing me nonstop in QF62.

Edited to add 2:

Good look for Devo IMO:

The opposition makes me believe that the Elims likely weren't interested in further padding the Silver wagon. Devo jumping on (at this current point, her Shard login shows she was last on five hours ago) with no ability to change her vote is a very reckless move for an Elim. That also runs against what I know of how E!Devo thinks and works.

I'm fine with V!Devo.

Edited to add 3:

@_Stick_ - Yes but IMO we come back to the problem with being absent. You're very reliant on the Village choosing to blink, which is a gamble. I don't see an Elim doing that without having teammates on who can cover for you, or work thread control. TUN's commitment to not voting makes it unlikely he would be that teammate (he could, but Elims tend to feel more bound by their thread promises than Villagers.) Which is a long way of me saying that this takes us back to our consensus that there is at least one Elim in <Aman, Mat, Fifth.>

Edited to add 4:

This is what I mean by Mat selling the 'it's too quiet' narrative, rather than the Silvereye V!read:

It goes hand-in-glove with Silver's play which is what makes me wonder about Mat. But it still feels a tad too on the nose for Mat's Elim play. He could have changed but E!Mat has difficulty being assertive in the thread.

Edited to add 5: 

I will say this. I kind of want to give @Fifth Scholar credit for no explosion play - the timing between his initial Silver vote and his Xino vote is about twenty one minutes. You could argue that Fifth saw there were no takers and jumped to another train, hoping to bait more people. But IDK. It feels a bit sincere to me. 

@Fifth Scholar What motivated the Xino to Aman jump when you initially said you don't expect to build a shrek case against him in an hour based off gut?

Here's my problem. Let's look at the train dynamics at the time Fifth is moving:

Courtesy of Aman, thank you Aman.

I've vanished. As far as people know, they DK if I'm gonna return. Wiz has gone to sleep, Devo says she won't be around. If Aman can't be lured off Silver, then a CW must be > Silver. The dynamic shifts in an E!Aman world but right now we are tacitly assuming E!Fifth.

There are three voters who haven't committed at this stage: Hael, TUN, and Silver. E!Fifth knows E!Silver won't show up.

The jump to Xino looks a bit good to me TBH. Aman hasn't gone onto Xino at any point, so it's not clear to me how E!Fifth expects to bait Aman apart from hope. Stick has defended Xino enough it doesn't seem like a good sell. Bookwyrm has been unreliably around, as has Xino. I guess he could hope to bait Mat but Mat has also said he'd rather wait C3/C4.

I feel like it makes more sense for E!Fifth to jump to Aman straightaway. You could argue that he didn't want to instigate a fight with Aman if he didn't have to, but what did it matter? He jumps at around half an hour to rollover, then goes onto Aman fifteen minutes to rollover. If he wanted an easy consensus CW, TUN would probably be a better shot.

FWIW, Fifth also isn't an explosion play guy IMO - that's more Araris's wheelhouse. Fifth either busses or tries to tempt you.

Edited to add 6:

There's a lot of raw dgaf energy in this Hael vote, and it looks rather Village to me.

Edited to add 7:

Long story short - votes. I think E!you is okay with mid-cycle endangerment: for potential Silver teammates, I'm basically looking at whoever ended up on or promoted a side-train that opposed Silver. As Nerdy and you are the main CWs, I'm adding as potential Silver teammates all the active side-train EoD people.

The late flurry of activity combined with Silver's non-response is indicative of two things, IMO: A. a strong thread controller teammate and calculated inactivity (less strong on this point but I feel this is quite likely anyway), B. Elim choice to go for a late save.

If I look at the late side-voters, this is the state of the votes at your swap:

And your swap makes it a tie:

In your case, I'm a bigger proponent of vote analysis, because that's how I found you in that Evil game, rather than post analysis. I'll note that if you're Village, you'll probably prefer I do vote analysis anyway because I MLed you the last time I ignored vote analysis and went on posts and tinfoil crack.

For similar reasons to why I consider Fifth and Mat potential teammates, I think you could be teamed with Silver. I agree you may be trying to test Fifth, but your vote also has a protective effect on Silver, and I think votes ultimately show where a player's priorities are. The whole reason we are considering an E!Mat and E!Fifth world, or at least that I am considering an E!Math and E!Fifth world after all is precisely because I dislike their EoD voting or at least feel that falls within grounds for suspicion.

The initial Xino—>Aman shift happened because I wanted to vote where I had some semblance of conviction rather than just trusting meta points made against Xino earlier. With Aman on Silver at the time, I distrusted the wagon, and decided to vote at the source of my gut read against him rather than trying to flip Nerdy who was getting strung up for reasons I had missed in my very quick reread, or Xino whose only votes were from semiactives who seemed to be following the analysis of players who had long since left Xino behind. 

1 minute ago, _Stick_ said:

Okay. Okay

Vote Count:
Aman(5): Mat, Fifth, Aman, Kas, Almond
Fifth(2): TUN, Stick
Xino(1): Nerdy

We can attempt to tie the votes if people want, and Winzik can deal with it if they wish to.

Will note that the first thing Fifth said today was:

He was paranoiding Kas for the past two cycles and the Kas vote was the tie-breaker but Fifth's first post only notes Hael as being cleared off that exe - not wrong that Hael is all but cleared, but I can see the comment reflecting elim state of mind because from E!Fifth's PoE I think Hael's vote was when E!Fifth would have accepted Silvereye's fate. There was no attempt from Fifth to move votes after Hael's vote, and before Hael's vote Silver was not in the lead, so Fifth's vote jumps being inconsequential maybe doesn't matter.

Hm? I could have jumped back to Nerdy to offset Hael had I wanted to  Also, I noted Hael as cleared at the beginning of the cycle because that was my read that had actually changed—as I think I noted in my rushed C2 posts, I felt good about you and Kas prior to the Silver flip. 

[Stick. she/her]

14 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

Hm? I could have jumped back to Nerdy to offset Hael had I wanted to

The real question is, did you want to  Not a good look in the long run

Maybe all Of us want to vote Nerdy out ? 
@NerdyAarakocra why do you find the Aman train sus? 

[Kasimir he/him]

1 hour ago, Amanuensis said:

• Kas: Possible busser. They did initially switch to Nerdy when given the opportunity and cemented inactive!Silver when Stick made it a tie. Extremely unlikely, but I’m BigMad at the blatant hypocrisy. Would prefer e!Kas to v!Kas at this point just to excuse this.

I'm going to say three things, because there's no other way to do this, and I'm not in the mood to get Araris to play mailman.

You are welcome to ignore this all and say it is tone deaf and full of excuses. I don't really care at this point. I'm just going to say it and get back to work.

1. If Fifth had behaved this way, I would have voted him out too. I'm explicitly not basing this on you being you, I'm basing it on the fact I genuinely dislike that vote, and I have a better read of Mat, and a theory about Fifth. You can call me bloody stupid for not seeing it and taking the most direct read of that vote. Fine. I'd absolutely agree. But none of it was based on "Aman has to be a genius and also dumb enough to get caught." If I'm committed to one of the three of you being Evil, then I basically have to PoE this. Mat is my solid V read that I'm not budging on. I can't make sense of Fifth's votes as being Evil. They just don't make sense to me as an attempt to side-train. And the theory. And I still didn't like the vote and the timing still doesn't make sense to me. So that's where my vote went.

2. I explicitly mentioned flipping Nerdy first because I don't want to be committed to flipping you and am actively trying to ID other worlds other than E!you!

3. Despite being busy and caught up in work, I was absolutely prepared to hear you out and to listen to you. I made my case but my vote was not going to be final because the last thing I wanted to do was to LG84 you again. I got weirded out by your tone with regard to Mat but it was important for me to try to work through things and to not immediately assume you were Evil. The whole point of asking for the MR57 comparison is I legit wanted to know if I was bloody tripping. I wanted to know why you kept throwing out various teams and whether it was experimental or not.

3b. I don't want to question the validity of you being BigMad and you get to be. But maybe I should make it clear:

I just am that bloody stupid.

You can say I'm so blind to my own prejudices, fair.

Literally the whole point of me doing this is "I don't like the vote" and "PoE." You can argue the Day posts should've looked better to me, but this is the part where I remind everyone I am not good with post reads, I had no idea how to read the posts, and I generally need a few Village games with you or a decent meta background to be able to geddit. This is legit why I keep on harping about meta: because it's a bloody baseline that stops me from doing demented shite.

Pretty much every post read I've made has been meta based. I've used Hael's meta, Wiz's meta, and Mat's meta. Guess whose meta I still don't have.

4. Because who the hell can count:

I am hardreading you Village from now on and unvoting you. Because if you expect me to either:

A. Lie about being mad about being paranoided on, and use it in order to benefit my team (which you're implying) or

B. Postulate that you are lying about this

Then you clearly think I'm a psychopath, and I don't really care to be further emotionally invested.

Aman

For the record, I'm going to try Nerdy. This feels like a "I know this is a bad train" from him.

[Amanuensis he/him]

OK, actual final post because there's a few small things I forgot that I need to get off my chest.

15 hours ago, Matrim's Dice said:

• Aman goes onto Nerdy, an obvious bad look.

I'm so confused. Am I a good elim or not? Does good!elim!Aman make the obvious bad play? Do I basically pull a Hyena again, completely failing to have learned my lesson from that game? No, E!Aman hard busses inactive!E!Silver every single time. If I'm so bad to make this play, then what the heck are you so paranoid of me for? How does any of this line up with my behavior in LG91? Did e!Aman lose his cool when he received pressure? Did e!Aman "make excuses" or did he always have a pre-meditated explanation? Did e!Aman play intentionally obtuse, his cards close to his chest, so villagers had any room to question him? Or was he a more passive voter and constantly making his "opinions" freshly prepared for analysis?

Or is the problem you expect v!Aman to write essays on his every trust and suspicion and never ever change his EoD votes because oh gosh v!Aman hates flashwagons and reaction tests while e!Aman loooooves drawing as much bad attention to himself as possible.

Yeah... that checks out. My bad for questioning your air-shut case.

Except...

C2 P4+ Votes Revisted

Start of P4

Silver (2): Stick, Kas
Fifth (2): Aman, Mat
Xino (2): Nerdy, Almond

Mat switches to Nerdy

Silver (2): Stick, Kas
Xino (2): Nerdy, Almond
Fifth (1): Aman, 
Nerdy (1): Mat,

Xino votes Nerdy

Silver (2): Stick, Kas
Xino (2): Nerdy, Almond
Nerdy (2): Mat, Xino,
Fifth (1): Aman, 

I change my vote from Fifth to Devo, avoiding the triad entirely to prompt Devo to favor one of the wagons

Silver (2): Stick, Kas
Xino (2): Nerdy, Almond
Nerdy (2): Mat, Xino,
Devo (1): Aman,

Stick proposes TUN shortly after, making the Silver wagon dissipate

Nerdy (2): Mat, Xino,
Xino (2): Nerdy, Almond,
Silver (1): Kas,
Devo (1): Aman,
TUN (1): Stick,

 

Bookwyrm votes Nerdy, putting Nerdy in the lead. Silver is no longer viable.

Nerdy (3): Mat, Xino, Bookwyrm,
Xino (2): Nerdy, Almond,
Silver (1): Kas,
Devo (1): Aman,
TUN (1): Stick,

Wizard votes Silver, making them viable again

Nerdy (3): Mat, Xino, Bookwyrm,
Xino (2): Nerdy, Almond,
Silver (2): Kas, Wizard,
Devo (1): Aman,
TUN (1): Stick,

And then I tie Silver with Nerdy.

Nerdy (3): Mat, Xino, Bookwyrm,
Silver (3): Kas, Wizard, Aman,
Xino (2): Nerdy, Almond,
Devo (1): Aman,
TUN (1): Stick,

I don't vote Xino when it was a viable third option. I don't vote Nerdy (weird, given you're convinced e!Silver = v!Nerdy). No. I put Silver back into a tie. Not for a couple minutes at EoD. FOR HOURS.

Please for the love of God, someone explain why e!Aman doesn't let e!Silver fizzle out by nudging people elsewhere? Why do I make them viable again when I had so many other options? If my plan was always to bus Silver, then why the heck would I last minute save them???

 

Okay now I'm done. Byeee

 

 

[Stick. she/her]

Vote Count:
Aman(4): Mat, Fifth, Aman, Almond
Fifth(2): TUN, Stick
Xino(1): Nerdy
Nerdy(1): Kas

@ExoticAlmond what do you think about moving to Nerdy now, given your earlier post?

Like I said, I'm OK with switching to Nerdy but I would personally prefer to resolve the <Fifth, Mat> pool first - if we all agree that Hael, Kas, Aman, Devo, and myself are villagers, then who was really even around to pick up on the JNV IC tell other than either Fifth or Mat. I'm perhaps inclined to agree with Kas that Mat isn't in his elim meta so it only leaves Fifth. I suppose you could argue that JNV was simply a lucky shot for the elims and that they hadn't actually noticed the thing but then, killing JNV is an odd choice in and of itself, and also I struggle to see a balanced elim team without at least one actively contributing player in it.

Edited December 20, 2022 by _Stick_
I prove once again I do not know how to vote count

[Exotic Almond he/him]

Ok I will change my vote to Fifth if it isn't too late

[The Bookwyrm he/him]

Okay, after my re-reads, I'd be okay voting Fifth or Nerdy. 

Xino is a backup option, but I'd prefer to decide between those two.

I'll be back later and narrow my options down to one of them.

[Mat he/him]

I think for me, Aman's team of Fifth, [xino/Nerdy] makes sense as a possibility, but I'm not at a point where I can take what Aman said at face value until he's flipped. Call me whatever, but it's how my brain needs to progress-- flip Aman, work from there. A v!Aman flip definitely makes his team suggestion a good one and I certainly won't dismiss it but until then this is where I'll vote. If y'all want to vote Fifth first, sure, go ahead. But I wouldn't feel good about that. Please don't vote Nerdy over Fifth today. Nerdy was the countertrain to Silver. I'm not willing to consider that until the world where Fifth and Aman both are village.

Maybe that's tunnelling 101. But I've been swayed incorrectly while voting e!Aman too many times to risk that again. We've got enough time for a ML if that's what this is, and we've got a good idea of where to go, thanks to Aman, if that's what this is. But I do think that there's a good chance of e!Aman here. His tone to me is insanely similar to MR57, and I don't think my case is bad.

I've said my part, I'm not moving. I've reworded this post like eighteen times and it's not perfect at getting the point across but the point should be-- I'm at a point where I can't weigh Aman's last two posts over the rest of his misrepresentations. It's not because I'm blindly paranoid all the time (Just like last LG with Kas! Believe it or not, I don't run headfirst into every game looking for reasons to e!read you guys!) and it's not because I'm so far in the tunnel I can't see the light. From my PoV, this is where I'm staying. There's enough time to recouperate and I'm certainly not about to be swayed by e!Aman again. [Insert obligatory 'I'm cool with y'all nothing personal' and all that]

So there you go.

[Stick. she/her]

12 minutes ago, ExoticAlmond said:

Ok I will change my vote to Fifth if it isn't too late

Oh yeah no you can switch votes however many times you want until rollover which is over 6 hours from now. 

[Exotic Almond he/him]

14 minutes ago, _Stick_ said:

Oh yeah no you can switch votes however many times you want until rollover which is over 6 hours from now. 

good to know

[Amanuensis he/him]

Re:Kas

Spoiler

1 hour ago, Kasimir said:

I'm going to say three things, because there's no other way to do this, and I'm not in the mood to get Araris to play mailman.

You are welcome to ignore this all and say it is tone deaf and full of excuses. I don't really care at this point. I'm just going to say it and get back to work.

1. If Fifth had behaved this way, I would have voted him out too. I'm explicitly not basing this on you being you, I'm basing it on the fact I genuinely dislike that vote, and I have a better read of Mat, and a theory about Fifth. You can call me bloody stupid for not seeing it and taking the most direct read of that vote. Fine. I'd absolutely agree. But none of it was based on "Aman has to be a genius and also dumb enough to get caught." If I'm committed to one of the three of you being Evil, then I basically have to PoE this. Mat is my solid V read that I'm not budging on. I can't make sense of Fifth's votes as being Evil. They just don't make sense to me as an attempt to side-train. And the theory. And I still didn't like the vote and the timing still doesn't make sense to me. So that's where my vote went.

2. I explicitly mentioned flipping Nerdy first because I don't want to be committed to flipping you and am actively trying to ID other worlds other than E!you!

3. Despite being busy and caught up in work, I was absolutely prepared to hear you out and to listen to you. I made my case but my vote was not going to be final because the last thing I wanted to do was to LG84 you again. I got weirded out by your tone with regard to Mat but it was important for me to try to work through things and to not immediately assume you were Evil. The whole point of asking for the MR57 comparison is I legit wanted to know if I was bloody tripping. I wanted to know why you kept throwing out various teams and whether it was experimental or not.

3b. I don't want to question the validity of you being BigMad and you get to be. But maybe I should make it clear:

I just am that bloody stupid.

You can say I'm so blind to my own prejudices, fair.

Literally the whole point of me doing this is "I don't like the vote" and "PoE." You can argue the Day posts should've looked better to me, but this is the part where I remind everyone I am not good with post reads, I had no idea how to read the posts, and I generally need a few Village games with you or a decent meta background to be able to geddit. This is legit why I keep on harping about meta: because it's a bloody baseline that stops me from doing demented shite.

Pretty much every post read I've made has been meta based. I've used Hael's meta, Wiz's meta, and Mat's meta. Guess whose meta I still don't have.

4. Because who the hell can count:

I am hardreading you Village from now on and unvoting you. Because if you expect me to either:

A. Lie about being mad about being paranoided on, and use it in order to benefit my team (which you're implying) or

B. Postulate that you are lying about this

Then you clearly think I'm a psychopath, and I don't really care to be further emotionally invested.

Aman

For the record, I'm going to try Nerdy. This feels like a "I know this is a bad train" from him.

Just to make it clear, I was significantly less upset with you than Mat when I wrote everything. You've approached me well this game and I don't blame you for side-eyeing EoD, especially given the fact you were absent most of the turn's latter half. For me, I was in that thread the entire time, ADHD hyperfocusing on solving because I could feel how close I was, so I ended up becoming extremely invested in the Silver yeet. Fifth threw me off at the end but tbh I still believe I played that most optimally for a Villager wanting as much elim vote shifting as possible. I only really began to feel LG84-Kas-pains when your analysis began to suggest v!Fifth, v!Mat, and e!Aman, which from v!me's perspective felt like in order for you to get that PoE wrong, the only explanation would be paranoia, which bled into the tunneling!Mat frustration. I take responsibility for my quiet solving + dishonest or neglected suspicions --> confusion on my alignment, although I do very strongly feel my e!play is drastically more refined and focused than my v!play. Either way, no harm, no fowl. I just wish it didn't require me blowing a casket to get people's opinions to change. For that reason I still prefer I die today. Doesn't feel fair to stay in longer.

 

Re:Mat

Spoiler

46 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said:

I think for me, Aman's team of Fifth, [xino/Nerdy] makes sense as a possibility, but I'm not at a point where I can take what Aman said at face value until he's flipped. Call me whatever, but it's how my brain needs to progress-- flip Aman, work from there. A v!Aman flip definitely makes his team suggestion a good one and I certainly won't dismiss it but until then this is where I'll vote. If y'all want to vote Fifth first, sure, go ahead. But I wouldn't feel good about that. Please don't vote Nerdy over Fifth today. Nerdy was the countertrain to Silver. I'm not willing to consider that until the world where Fifth and Aman both are village.

Maybe that's tunnelling 101. But I've been swayed incorrectly while voting e!Aman too many times to risk that again. We've got enough time for a ML if that's what this is, and we've got a good idea of where to go, thanks to Aman, if that's what this is. But I do think that there's a good chance of e!Aman here. His tone to me is insanely similar to MR57, and I don't think my case is bad.

I've said my part, I'm not moving. I've reworded this post like eighteen times and it's not perfect at getting the point across but the point should be-- I'm at a point where I can't weigh Aman's last two posts over the rest of his misrepresentations. It's not because I'm blindly paranoid all the time (Just like last LG with Kas! Believe it or not, I don't run headfirst into every game looking for reasons to e!read you guys!) and it's not because I'm so far in the tunnel I can't see the light. From my PoV, this is where I'm staying. There's enough time to recouperate and I'm certainly not about to be swayed by e!Aman again. [Insert obligatory 'I'm cool with y'all nothing personal' and all that]

So there you go.

I respect this a lot. I very much appreciate you acknowledging the v!Aman possibility while also sticking to your guns. I think the main root of my frustration is that you never once afforded me the same lenience you demand v!me to afford to you. Namely, "I can't weight Aman's last two posts over the rest of his misrepresentations." What misreps? Me tying you to Silver? In a v!Aman world, do you honestly think I wouldn't call you out on that? In a v!Mat world, you just called for action because you thought the Silver vote was "too easy to be a hit", and you were wrong. If v!Mat can be wrong about e!Silver, why can't v!Aman be wrong about v!Mat? You didn't even know how Silver would flip and refused to vote him, but instead voted me because I pointed out you defended Silver, who I was previously voting, and drew the conclusion that Silver/me were teamed. The amount of leaps in logic you needed to make during that EoD is pretty kayana to justify your tunnel. I know that's how tunnels work and I'm not meaning to disparage you or anything, just attempting to point out the mistakes you made regarding me and how it's led me to question my read of you constantly. Thankfully, there's no chance e!Mat so perfectly tunnels v!Aman, so congrats, you earned a clear in my book.

 

Mostly just wanted to reply to these two posts specifically to clear the air between us.

 

That said, I did forget to actually mention who I suspect more between Xino and Nerdy, since I got distracted during their paragraph.

TBH I'd always vote Xino first (not today, tomorrow, please yeet me today). Even if this is v!Xino disguising future e!Meta, C2 Xino immediately joined Mat on the Nerdy vote when Silver was currently in the lead. Meanwhile, Nerdy P1 voted Xino and kept it there for all of C2. Neither showed up for EoD, which leaves me to believe this is a case of e!Xino and not e!Nerdy. I feel like e!Nerdy would have been around for both EoDs.

[Fifth Scholar he/him]

Very compact thoughts on this stuff: in a v!Aman world, I am almost forced to assume v!Mat from Aman’s own analysis, as well as some degree of common sense, which means that somehow all three of us are clear barring me dramatically misreading Mat. This makes the vote count and switching at EoD make absolutely no sense unless the elim team is all inactive, or it contains Nerdy. If it contains Nerdy, I might have to revisit some of my clears, particularly Hael. I really don’t want this world to exist but it’s looking more possible, so piecing together teams there is painful. I almost wonder if both Stick and Hael would be evil in that world, but they would have also risked getting caught on the “wrong side of the wagon” D2. It seems too improbable, so I’m going to go Occam’s Razor and deal with the Aman question first. His posts later today are giving me pause, but they’re also of such a nature that it doesn’t make sense not to kill him, and leaving him unflipped is probably going to raise Braize unless we flip me or Nerdy first. I don’t think Nerdy should be flipped before Aman, and obviously would rather not die myself.  In the case of v!Aman tomorrow I will also resist my Exe because it’s not productive for me to lie down and die and give the village no discussion, but I would understand being killed. I shouldn’t play chaotic with no information. It’s a bad strategy, and if Aman is telling the truth, it screwed him up enough to result in actions which put suspicion on two villagers. 

If Aman is evil (which…gah I don’t know if it’s more likely at this point but it’s probably more likely than anyone else I could think of) this is much simpler. We clear Nerdy and start looking into people like Xino. 

I would ask those voting on me right now to give clarification on what specifically they hope to gain from my Exe in both a v! Fifth and e!Fifth world—I also really don’t think my votes last cycle merit the lynch pressure I’m currently facing, but more reasoning would be helpful in addressing why my actions are as a whole more suspicious or beneficial to e!Silver than Aman’s.

[Amanuensis he/him]

3 minutes ago, Fifth Scholar said:

Very compact thoughts on this stuff: in a v!Aman world, I am almost forced to assume v!Mat from Aman’s own analysis, as well as some degree of common sense, which means that somehow all three of us are clear barring me dramatically misreading Mat. This makes the vote count and switching at EoD make absolutely no sense unless the elim team is all inactive, or it contains Nerdy. If it contains Nerdy, I might have to revisit some of my clears, particularly Hael. I really don’t want this world to exist but it’s looking more possible, so piecing together teams there is painful. I almost wonder if both Stick and Hael would be evil in that world, but they would have also risked getting caught on the “wrong side of the wagon” D2. It seems too improbable, so I’m going to go Occam’s Razor and deal with the Aman question first. His posts later today are giving me pause, but they’re also of such a nature that it doesn’t make sense not to kill him, and leaving him unflipped is probably going to raise Braize unless we flip me or Nerdy first. I don’t think Nerdy should be flipped before Aman, and obviously would rather not die myself.  In the case of v!Aman tomorrow I will also resist my Exe because it’s not productive for me to lie down and die and give the village no discussion, but I would understand being killed. I shouldn’t play chaotic with no information. It’s a bad strategy, and if Aman is telling the truth, it screwed him up enough to result in actions which put suspicion on two villagers. 

If Aman is evil (which…gah I don’t know if it’s more likely at this point but it’s probably more likely than anyone else I could think of) this is much simpler. We clear Nerdy and start looking into people like Xino. 

I would ask those voting on me right now to give clarification on what specifically they hope to gain from my Exe in both a v! Fifth and e!Fifth world—I also really don’t think my votes last cycle merit the lynch pressure I’m currently facing, but more reasoning would be helpful in addressing why my actions are as a whole more suspicious or beneficial to e!Silver than Aman’s.

+1 to killing me first. My ADHD Hyperfocus needs to be released (if it wasn't clear by the fact I keep coming back to post more -- don't want to waste the remaining time I have + literally cannot force myself to do anything else)

Fifth, if you're actually Village, then I wish you and whoever else is still around tons of luck because I've not a clue who the higher-active elim would be. If you're elim, then well done  the chaos you caused that EoD was beautiful. Just next time plz try not to kill me at the same time <3

 

To reiterate for the future, v!me =/= e!Nerdy. The only reason I voted Nerdy over Silver was to potentially scare Fifth + because Silver/Nerdy could have been partnered. Please consider Xino, Nerdy, Almond, and maybe Insanity + Bookwyrm, equally. While I did like Book's C2, I've found their C3 kinda at-a-distance, like they were worried about jumping on V!Aman too soon? I'm slightly worried about a Silver/Xino/Book/??? team.